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Thread comes to show the toxic beliefs dudes hold about race yet trying to come off as voices of authority. If you see yourself as bottom of any hierarchy, you deserve the bottom-tier of women regardless of race. Even the same dudes sounding off and being the voice of authority for Indian men on the forum are the same ones having the "woe is me" victim mentality about race. These guys do not deserve anything more than Precious from the hood.

Some guys should refrain from giving their opinion, get their shit together, and once they have seen success actually try to post on threads like these or else you get nothing but mental masturbation.

What I can say is that Indian men desperately need to get their shit together. I even see Asian men killing it by getting in shape, focusing on their looks, westernizing, and being overall cool guys. Asian men have come a long fucking way in the western world and I see them with hot girls of other races on the regular while Indian men certainly have a long way to go.

So my advice is get your shit together, max out your value, and realize that if you see yourself as the bottom of a hierarchy then you will undoubtedly get bottom-tier girls and nothing more.

I'd advise most Indian men to not bother with traveling if you have not even worked on improving your value yet. All you will do is give Indian men a bad name by embodying every negative stereotype. Once you do improve that value and lose your toxic beliefs, then we can talk. As of right now even if I knew of a magical country where Indian men get hot girls or an added status boost, I'd keep it to myself because so many of the guys that embody the toxic beliefs on this thread would flood it and ruin it for the very few well put together Indian men out there.

[jcrew247]

If you are christian or catholic, it will help you date or marry catholic white girls in america or europe. Some men don't want to be westernized or convert, but many girls seem to care about religion when it comes to marriage, espcially if you are a foreigner/immigrant from a vastly different culture.

[a beer is enough]

I really cannot blame women worldwide for hating Indians, we've done it to ourselves. A couple days ago I was taking an Uber to a bar and the driver was Indian. As soon as I got in, the thing smelled like pure nasty BO. I had to roll the window down and cover my nose, not even that was enough. The lack of social awareness among Indian dudes is unreal, even some of the westernized ones smell like a fucking dumpster.

Then you have the stubborn know-it-all attitude you see with guys who have no business giving advice but try to act as experts. I mean the toxic mindset in this thread alone about SMV rankings, top tier guys do not think this way. Even going after a girl with the mindset of thinking you're both at the bottom so you deserve each other, it is a beggar's mindset all too common among Indians. I always try to steer clear of most Indian guys for this reason, they rub off on you in the wrong way even if some of them are good dudes, they're just losers.

Then these guys have the time to worry about other men like, it's none of your business that some guys love white girls or whatever, get your own shit fixed first. No other race struggles with this more than Indian men, don't have their own shit together but will come off acting like experts and targeting others, the nerve....

People will boast about the westernized ones but I think most of them are even worse off than the FOBs. The FOBs have a sense of humor and will get an arranged marriage, westernized ones are neurotic and have a massive ego to boot. Vast majority of the ones I have run into are a bunch of try-hards that just embarrass themselves.

Compared to other races, we got a long fucking way to go. I see East Asian dudes these days just straight cleaning up with hot girls of various races, even hot white girls. Indian men have a long ways to go, I mean a really long way to go. It's not just the race either, it's the

[BroodingSea]

A we differentiating between Pakistani (Muslim) and Indian (Hindu) men?

From knowing Indian men as mates they are great people. Less keen on the Pakistani ones I've met.

Is there is a difference in the way men from the countries are seen at a broad take level?

[jcrew247]

(09-11-2017 10:17 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

I really do think middle-class black women have some kind of a thing for Indian guys, not sure what it is...but black women have by far been the easiest for me to smash. I love it because 7+ black girls seem to be in to me from the outset. I think its because of a couple of reasons...

There are just less middle-class put together college educated black men than there are women. So you get plenty of black women who want a tall dark skinned dude...but find their options severely limited. Plus all the negative baggage black women have about black men, which they won't really have about an Indian guy (assuming of course that you look decent and have game).

The top tier of black women will be hard for Indian guys I think, as 8+ of any race tend to stick to their own. In the case of black girls the 8+ tend to go for black athletes or dudes involved in music/media. I think it's possible to get at these girls but obviously still quite difficult. Athlete black women were the hardest for me, African immigrants and boHo black girls the easiest.

Much like Indian guys, they are seen as being at the bottom of the SMV totem pole...rightfully so in the case of hoodrats, but this creates a good situation with the cute middle class ones. They come from a culture with good family structures and a minimum of ideological feminism (unlike their white counterparts), and haven't had their egos inflated by a media that constantly pedestalizes them (also unlike white women).

Great bodies, good personalities, and best of all, very down to earth and always happily surprised when a non-black guy approaches them. I fucking love black girls, I am currently dating an Asian girl but I will always have a soft spot for these women. I recommend Indian guys give them more of a chance, I see way too much IRT bullshit about only wanting white girls.

Yeah i agree, one of my Indian friends dated a black girl in Texas and she was really hot. Black girls dont' get much attention even from black guys, so they are easier and more desperate. In fact, I'm actually surprised why incels don't try to date black girls, but maybe they are scared of black girls being crazy or violent or dangerous. Its always easy to talk to and hit on black girls at bars and get ONS.

[a beer is enough]

Because guys are just not attracted to girls with dark skin in most cases but to be fair, incels and most Indian guys should be happy with whatever they can get. I don't care if it is FOBs or "westernized" Indian dudes, we are not really working with a lot of top talent in our ethnic group. If anything, I notice that the best looking Indian girls are opting to go interracial (usually with white guys) because Indian men have become the new Asian men.

I almost feel like this shit hit Asian men too decades ago but they realized what the issue was and bounced back. A lot of these days I see East Asian guys cleaning up with hot girls of all races and some sexy girls lusting for well built Asian men.

Indian men on the other hand, where do I even begin...

Let's look at this thread as a reflection, just the mindset. "Hey guys let's go for black girls, they are undesirable just like us heh heh!". Imagine telling a girl that on a date, if you cannot see yourself as a winner, don't expect the world to either. Instead the mindset should be to go for any race of girls you like because you happen to be attracted to them and I've seen my fair share of black girls.

Let's not let Indian guys get deluded though, there is no way a prime Halle Berry is going to pick mr fobby fatshit mustache or skinny insecure dork pussywhipped by his parents over an Edris Elba or top tier guy of her own race. Don't delude yourself, hot black girls have more than their fair share of options.

The mind of the average Indian guy is interesting to say the least, I mean just have a look at this thread. I'll repeat what I said, at this point, most Indian guys in the west would be lucky to get hot girls of their own race.

If there is any one ethnicity that is anti-game and anti-seduction, Indian men are it.

Then again, it does mean that for the few girls out there with a thing for brown culture and brown guys, for the well put together guy there is a huge market and no competition.

[jcrew247]

I guess it depends on what you like, whether big butts or breasts or face. Some men like chubby women with cute faces but other men think those women are zeros. With Indian men, there is a strong culture of arranged marriages, so despite the whining, it is very easy to get into an arranged marriage through a dating site or matchmaker by flying back to India. But if an Indian guy wants to be a player with a rotation of plates, then its going to be alot of work and effort required to change the lifestyle and culture to assimilate into western culture.

[Graft]

(02-25-2019 09:53 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

People will boast about the westernized ones but I think most of them are even worse off than the FOBs. The FOBs have a sense of humor and will get an arranged marriage, westernized ones are neurotic and have a massive ego to boot. Vast majority of the ones I have run into are a bunch of try-hards that just embarrass themselves.

Beer's descriptions as well as his anecdotes of his own life have been identical to my experience. I've never run into a stereotypical FOB nerd. All of the brown guys that I've run into are well put together, assimilated, successful guys but the amount of psychological dysfunction is astounding.

The sociopathic obsession with ascending the ranks of the nightclub scene is easily the most peculiar thing that I've seen amongst any ethnic group. I've seen numerous brown guys, beer included, that talk about becoming a bartender or club promoter as the pinnacle of American success. If I had an assessment of the NYC nightclub scene, at least when it comes to women, it seems to be trash from the outer boroughs that commute in order to look sophisticated on instagram. The truly sophisticated NYC crowd doesn't spend more than a few nights a year in the clubs.

I have an Indian friend from a white town in the US who seemed cool and put together when I first met him, but I'm really getting turned off because the same problems keep appearing. Ruthless social climbing amongst white crowds that are "cool" or "good looking", massive insecurities with his culture, staying out until the wee hours every night as a junior club promoter, extremely desperate moves that border on harassment with every girl that I introduce him to. All consistencies, albeit extreme, that I've found with brown guys that I've met in the past-FOB or American born. There's a certain amount of respectable effort that is exuded in becoming a cool, sociable, sexually attractive guy-but a lot of these guys are blatantly crossing the line and it shows with their lack of sexual success. The most well adjusted brown guy that I've been friends with has been from RVF-totally cool with both brown and white girls, successful, relaxed and secure with his culture.

I've always had a thing for Indian girls. I've felt that the top tier had a combination of good skin tone, natural beauty, interesting culture, and softness. However, the Indian girls that I've encountered have been completely mentally colonized. It's like they all decided to become poor caricatures of Elle Woods in Legally Blonde.

You don't truly realize the extent of the "game" and social problems amongst the community until you understand a lot of the psychological workings because it's such a financially successful and seemingly put together ethnic group.

[a beer is enough]

It is not an Indian thing exclusively, if anything I see it far more with Arab and Middle Eastern people than I do with Indians. The whole wanting to climb the nightlife social ladder is something that is the thing with a lot of people who didn't grow up the classy old money rich. I see what you are getting at though Graft but I also see the same hunger for climbing the social status among Americans from more "new money" type of areas.

I notice how among the well-off old money rich in NYC, I don't see this flashiness. It is people from new money west coast states (Arizona in particular for some reason) more flyover states/southern states in the US that I see a lot of this wanting to climb the social ladder in nightlife. I agree with you about outer boroughs as well, my god I cannot stand most women from New Jersey.

Even when the PUA movement took off, it was a lot of late bloomers and dudes who missed out.

Then again, I don't fault these dudes entirely. A lot of guys and people want to have that perception of being cool and nightlife/bartending offer it while very few avenues in the real world do. I mean model photography might be something else that offers it but that is ungodly saturated itself. Outside of those things, nothing about doctor, lawyer, or banker really yells "cool and fuckable" to women like bartender at a nightclub does. While my life has been a storm in recent months, I am looking to eventually bartend at a nightclub myself someway, as tough as that might be.

Now granted your old money WASPy Chads got all of this out of their system by end of college at latest but most other people did not. It is in those people that you see a lot of this flashiness and thirst for wanting to ascend the cool ladder. I see it all the time with new money people from all sorts of backgrounds whether it is Indian, Arab, or even whites that are just getting a taste for wealth (aka the 40k millionaire meme).

[Graft]

(03-02-2019 09:01 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Then again, I don't fault these dudes entirely. A lot of guys and people want to have that perception of being cool and nightlife/bartending offer it while very few avenues in the real world do. I mean model photography might be something else that offers it but that is ungodly saturated itself. Outside of those things, nothing about doctor, lawyer, or banker really yells "cool and fuckable" to women like bartender at a nightclub does. While my life has been a storm in recent months, I am looking to eventually bartend at a nightclub myself someway, as tough as that might be.

Now granted your old money WASPy Chads got all of this out of their system by end of college at latest but most other people did not. It is in those people that you see a lot of this flashiness and thirst for wanting to ascend the cool ladder. I see it all the time with new money people from all sorts of backgrounds whether it is Indian, Arab, or even whites that are just getting a taste for wealth (aka the 40k millionaire meme).

This is what I'm still trying to wrap my head around. I don't view bartenders and club promoters as "cool and fuckable" compared to doctors, lawyers, and bankers. Maybe there are a lot of Indian guys that have made it to the top as doctors, lawyers, and bankers but still aren't "cool and fuckable", and that's why club promoting is perceived as superior.

I consider myself a "cool and fuckable" guy. Not necessarily because I have a good job, but because I have the looks, style, physique, and personality to back it up, as well as the ability to pay for certain things. Guys who are sexually attractive and have lots of options don't need to become a club promoter in order to look cool. I have the same access to the hot women that all these promoters are blowing up every weekend through my phone.

Are certain club promoters and bartenders sex symbols? Yes, the ones that have the looks, style, physique, and personality to back it up. Most of them look like thirsty RSD tryhards, guys who wouldn't have options in real life.

A white collar guy who has the looks, style, physique, and personality to back it up is going to be infinitely more appealing than your average promoter chode.

There's also a big difference between "new money types" wanting to go to the club with a group of hot girls and guys, ball out taking pictures, and brown dudes who have solid six figure careers wanting to be club promoters or bartenders, the help in clubs. It doesn't make sense to me as I see these nightlife people as having temporary fun but ultimately failing in life.

[jcrew247]

I think nerdy guys who just focus on career want to enhance their social life and be around hot white models at clubs. I think there is a sense that money can't buy a social life. Even rich guys have hobbies and want to explore the good life of good food, music and women. Rich guys often spend stupid money opening restaurants and clubs that have high failure rates.

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(03-03-2019 04:22 PM)Graft Wrote:  

(03-02-2019 09:01 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Then again, I don't fault these dudes entirely. A lot of guys and people want to have that perception of being cool and nightlife/bartending offer it while very few avenues in the real world do. I mean model photography might be something else that offers it but that is ungodly saturated itself. Outside of those things, nothing about doctor, lawyer, or banker really yells "cool and fuckable" to women like bartender at a nightclub does. While my life has been a storm in recent months, I am looking to eventually bartend at a nightclub myself someway, as tough as that might be.

Now granted your old money WASPy Chads got all of this out of their system by end of college at latest but most other people did not. It is in those people that you see a lot of this flashiness and thirst for wanting to ascend the cool ladder. I see it all the time with new money people from all sorts of backgrounds whether it is Indian, Arab, or even whites that are just getting a taste for wealth (aka the 40k millionaire meme).

This is what I'm still trying to wrap my head around. I don't view bartenders and club promoters as "cool and fuckable" compared to doctors, lawyers, and bankers. Maybe there are a lot of Indian guys that have made it to the top as doctors, lawyers, and bankers but still aren't "cool and fuckable", and that's why club promoting is perceived as superior.

I consider myself a "cool and fuckable" guy. Not necessarily because I have a good job, but because I have the looks, style, physique, and personality to back it up, as well as the ability to pay for certain things. Guys who are sexually attractive and have lots of options don't need to become a club promoter in order to look cool. I have the same access to the hot women that all these promoters are blowing up every weekend through my phone.

Are certain club promoters and bartenders sex symbols? Yes, the ones that have the looks, style, physique, and personality to back it up. Most of them look like thirsty RSD tryhards, guys who wouldn't have options in real life.

A white collar guy who has the looks, style, physique, and personality to back it up is going to be infinitely more appealing than your average promoter chode.

There's also a big difference between "new money types" wanting to go to the club with a group of hot girls and guys, ball out taking pictures, and brown dudes who have solid six figure careers wanting to be club promoters or bartenders, the help in clubs. It doesn't make sense to me as I see these nightlife people as having temporary fun but ultimately failing in life.

Most younger women in their sexual prime would disagree with you and in the end, their view matters more since we are trying to fuck them. Sure a doctor, lawyer or banker makes a good husband or a good long-term option after she is past her partying and going out days and looking to settle down. If you have the looks, style, and game then at that point profession becomes somewhat less relevant.

That's the disconnect, sure women would love to marry a doctor or white collar guy but nothing about that life really yells sex with a different hottie every week unless the guy has a lot of other things going for him (looks, game, status through something cool like instagram, etc.). On the flip side someone in a profession in nightlife has status in something hot girls genuinely care about.

Hot girls who are on the younger end care about being regulars at the hottest clubs, getting noticed, being seen by the workers there for an in, and the list goes on. So by default, that kind of a life or any life similar to it (say something in the modeling world) helps you with the status part of game which I have found to be immense.

Not that I agree with any of this but it is just the way it is.

[Lucario]

I am half Indian, have the same brown skin appearance, infact on the darker tanned side, and short aswell, but I have muscles, more definition, not jacked, still working on getting there. But I don't struggle with white girls or cute/hot girls of any race.

Recently I have had many Indian friends/colleagues complain they cannot get laid hence the motivation for this post. Going to help out the Indian guys as much as I can as I feel bad seeing so many of my good Indian friends/colleagues be guys who are good hearted people with good careers still somehow be incels, and I wish you well in your quest to find the fuck buddies or high quality girl

Things Indian guys who don't get laid do and need to do :

- Muscles: hit the gym, lots of information on this forum on how to have a good workout/meal plan regime, no excuses, hit the gym.

- Victim mentality : as mentioned in this thread, it is a key component of why Indians struggle, specifically the shorter darker skinned Indians. I believe there are many contributing factors such as internally being threatened by taller white men or just more masculine men in general which can affect your body language, watching too much western media thus enforcing that white men are more alpha .
Even western media generally makes Indian men look highly weak/beta . Prime examples include Raj from Big bang Theory and that taxi driver dude in Deadpool. Solution, quit media, do not watch too many TV shows, they are a waste of time anyways and you could be doing more constructive things with your time, quit posting complaining threads on social media doing IRT troll shit, get out in the real world and meet people outside of cold approach.
Actually socialise with people of all races, obviously socialise with more westernized people so you understand the social norms. Realise that you have the power to raise your SMV, but don't compare yourself too much to other guys as you will get negative, just remember you have your own journey, but put in a good committed effort.

- Bantering: learn to banter and be witty, it build comfort with westernized girls weather you like white, asain or blacks who are westernised. Whites and majority of guys with good game are especially good at this.

- Social norms and Social awareness : really pay attention to western social norms and analyse them carefully. Most western countries such as the UK, Australia etc tend to be very conformist in mindset and thus heavily value social norms. And girls will be more accepting and even value you a bit more if they notice you can adhere to western social norms. So even the example in this thread of the uber driver with BO, while an extreme one, is still an example of social awareness.

- Culture/Trends : This seems to apply for western girls as it somehow builds comfort fro my own experience. Make sure you know trends/cultural like music of the niche and age group of girls you go for like to listen to since it is a huge comfort builder and can lead to some great bantering moments.
So if you like alternative chicks, know their music, if you like hippy chicks, have some tunes on your phone to talk about, if you like basic white bitches, know what they like. Ofcourse this expands to more than just music , I just used music as an example. you have other avenues like life, food, popular social trends.
As I said, this is necessary only for western girls since I think they tend to be very social circle based( again my opinion and experience, I would like someone to chime in with feedback on this). European girls such as German girls are highly open to dating Indian guys and know a lot about Indian culture( specifically the hippy types and vegans).

- Fashion : goes without saying, lots of info on this forum to make you stand out with dressing, you have no excuse for dressing bad. Just figure out what niche of girls get along with you with and dress accordingly. There was a good thread of suit game.

- Thirst: I do not mean to be harsh, but to needs to be said, there is a strong thirst for women issue within the Indian race, worst still many of Indians( fobs and westernized) hit on girls over social media with zero calibration and give normal Indian dudes a bad name. If you are thirsty and your mood/body language changes too much to the point of extreme validation seeking around a HB8, get a piece of paper, write what personality/lifestyle traits you want in a girl and adhere to that list like it were some sacred words form the universe. DO NOT BE THRISTY. DO NOT CRAVE SEX LIKE SOME THRISTY ANIMAL IN A DESOLATE DESERT. Women are just humans and poop and burp like us and you are worthy of women.

[Gary Jennings]

Indians in general need to stop making such a massive deal out of their race.

Look at the posts from a beer is enough. Crazy insecurity and self flagellation over how some Indians have bad game and smell bad and therefore fuck it up for the rest of us. I really could care less that some other Indian guys have bad game. I try to be the best guy I can be and people pick up on that. Yeah I've experienced some racism but honestly I think most people I've met never really gave a fuck about my race and treated me as an individual first.

Stop thinking of yourself as an "Indian man". Think of yourself instead as a man with his own goals and interests. Stop wondering about how others perceive "Indian men". The way they perceive a genuinely good-hearted Indian guy who has put the work into his body and lifestyle will be completely different from the way they perceive an IRT who writes a million internet posts per day. Stop tripping out about "Indian-specific game advice". Honestly, it doesn't exist. Getting jacked, being more social, and optimizing your life are things that can be done by people of any race or ethnicity.

My top piece of advice to Indian guys is to stop tripping about being Indian and figure out your life instead. There is no one ethnicity that is hostile to Indians, and the number of locations that are "terrible" for Indians are probably very few. I've seen Indians with hot girls even in "terrible" places like San Francisco. Clearly those girls didn't really give a shit about all the FOBs with bad game either.

Thankfully guys like a beer is enough have stopped IRTing all over the forum, but this is a common problem I see with Indian guys both online and IRL. Stop tripping and improve yourself. You'll be fine, I promise, and your race will matter a lot less than you think it does.