rooshvforum.network is a fully functional forum: you can search, register, post new threads etc...
Old accounts are inaccessible: register a new one, or recover it when possible. x


To Stay or Go (University Related)
#26

To Stay or Go (University Related)

Soviet Dissident's post is by far one of the most comprehensive posts written about education to date.

The cold irony is, being a man in college and out of college is a zero level rating. You will get no benefit from your degree or the career services department unless you went to a tier 1 school.

You can continue down the path you're defending and i'll tell you it will lead to a world of broken promises, resentment towards your alma mater, and an ass load of non-dischargable debt.

Make your choices carefully because the debt load alone will leave you in utter pain.
Reply
#27

To Stay or Go (University Related)

Quote: (07-11-2017 04:58 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Soviet Dissident's post is by far one of the most comprehensive posts written about education to date.

The cold irony is, being a man in college and out of college is a zero level rating. You will get no benefit from your degree or the career services department unless you went to a tier 1 school.

You can continue down the path you're defending and i'll tell you it will lead to a world of broken promises, resentment towards your alma mater, and an ass load of non-dischargable debt.

Make your choices carefully because the debt load alone will leave you in utter pain.

Considering I don't at all go to a Tier 1 school, and considering that I really don't want to go into the trades (not because of my "immigrant parents"- my grandparents were the immigrants) at this time I feel my best option is to go abroad and save what money I can studying in CR or Hungary/EEurope. I realize that those schools feed into the local/regional job market (and depending on how I network to some extent also the international market), but that's a risk I'm willing to take and given family connections a risk I'm comfortable taking.

Quote:Quote:

Why do you want to work for state entities, policymakers, or think tanks? In those scenarios, your path is severely constrained by (internal and external) politics. Europe and the U.S. are dominated by pussy Republicans like Paul Ryan or feral leftists who will destroy you if you step out of line. If you work for a think tank, even the ostensibly "free market" ones have an agenda which is not necessarily benign. You’d be surprised how the most "rational" libertarians with similar beliefs and laboring in obscurity are as petty as high school girls... If you care a lot about economics and/or foreign policy, go read about it, write about it, start a podcast. I would do whatever you can to take your fate into your own hands and not to rely on pencil-necked policy wonks for your livelihood.


1) Why do I want to work for state entities... Well, it's something I have a passion for and I figure it could be a rewarding experience. Having lived in the DMV though I totally now understand that the reality is a lot different from how I pictured things. Despite this, I still would like to work in finance/public policy as a career if possible.

Quote:Quote:

You’re not going to get into academia unless you do a PhD at an Ivy-caliber institution.

2) Noted.

Quote:Quote:

I think the value of university degrees (especially abroad) is questionable at best. If you were attending an Ivy league and feeding into Wall St., that’d be one thing. But it doesn’t sounds like it. (And to be honest, the “Liar’s Poker”/“Bonfire of the Vanities” Wall St. days of 26-year-old Michael Lewis making stupid money are probably over or much rarer at the very least). The government sector probably won’t pay enough, especially if you want to increase your sexual market value, have a family, etc. The Boomers bought their houses 30 years ago in the Acela corridor and got their cushy pensions—I wouldn’t count on that for your/my generation.

3) Would you be able to sort of enlighten me on why they're questionable at best? The way I see it, yeah I'm not going to an Ivy (and other than prestige and connections I don't really think I'd want to if I could get in) but I would still be going from an average university in America to one that's in the top 3 of it's nation (Vysoka Skola Economica, Charles University, might also look at going to Corvinus)... Sure it isn't Mannheim (where I've thought about doing a Masters) or Freistat University Berlin but it's something both cost effective and positively life altering. To me, that in and of itself is a reason to pursue it. I apologize if it seems like I'm preaching, I think the advice Soviet gave is solid and definitely worth its salt. I'd just like to keep dialogue open.

Let's not get into the whole refugee thing, I recognize Merkel and the crisis may have net negative consequences economically in the future as well as (as we have seen) socially but doubtful that it will lead to a "civil war" of any magnitude.

Nyelvtan szar, bocsanat. Magyar vagyok, es Magyarország otthon leginkább úgy érzem magam, de anélkül, hogy gondolom, az európai egyetem nettó pozitív lesz. It won't open every door and if I have to come back to the US for work/PhD I will definitely have to network and work my ass off but... I'm coming from the position of someone who got B's and C's in highschool, now on track to getting a damn good high GPA, and I would rather spend my years in Europe than deal with the bullshit that is the American post-secondary system-- especially as it pertains to studying abroad.

Thank you again everyone for your responses, I really do take them to heart and appreciate the insight. Staying in America isn't something I'm trying to defend, it's just that this whole process is as exciting and potentially rewarding as it is nerve wracking to leave behind everything. That said, it's definitely something I have a drive and a want to do.
Reply
#28

To Stay or Go (University Related)

I'm not exactly sure how American employers view foreign degrees, but ensure that the foreign university you attend have at least some Bridging program with the USA.

I was in the same boat that you were in, I was a newcomer student to Canada studying in downtown Toronto at a 'prestigious' and 'world class' university.

However, that university was a DEFCOCK 1 nightmare. That university placed females on a pedestal, while constantly waging Psy-Ops against men using subliminal campaigns such as "Yes Means Yes" posters plastered across male bathroom stalls like wallpaper.

Barely four semester passed & that feminist decay started to attack me. One jealous Canadian-born woman went to slander me after falsely accusing me of "hurting her feelings" when I was speaking in an American New York accent. After navigating bureaucracy, I left that university.

When handing over my Application to Withdraw to Enrollment, the look on that white cunt's face compared to my face was priceless. She appeared to be upset that when screening over the Financial aid information, that it wasn't out-of-pocket paying for that feminist university tuition, but loans from financial & government agencies in Ontario.

Good thing was that I took student loans to fund my university education in Toronto from 2013-2015, compared to International students who were paying I think at least $25,000 Canadian dollars per academic year at the time (approx. US$23,000-23,500 in 2013 & 2014).

Post-university in Toronto, my financial situation and well-being are improved because I was almost broke while I was at university in Toronto, but now I have at least a stable financial background and less stress from attending any feministe university in Toronto.

The lesson is that you have to find what makes you happy. I was unhappy attending a feminist university while my financial situation was almost broke, but it's been almost 18 months since I left, and my financial situation and well-being are at least better.

When I was a university student in Toronto, I couldn't even afford to travel outside of the city boundaries of Toronto!, but now, my financial situation is better that I can afford at least 3 or 4 vacations at Mexican resorts a year If I wanted to.

Speaking of financial situation, I don't think that I will ever pay back that $15,000 in Loans. Fuck that....That white cunt at enrolment knew that I wasn't going to pay back student loans, that was why her face was bitter and fill with resentment.
Reply
#29

To Stay or Go (University Related)

I suggested alternatives (coding bootcamps, taking practical finance courses, the trades) because I’m trying to talk you out of this route entirely. The Catcher in the Roosh, if you will (that would actually be a great screenname). The gate guards whose egos you must stroke at each stage are not to be trusted with your life/livelihood. Am I projecting my own biases and life experiences upon you? I am probably not wise enough to divorce myself from them.

The entire institutional establishment is propped up by federal fiat money. Specifically, the Sallie Mae loan regime. Obama basically put the nail in the coffin for the private loan business. So now all you have is federal money, which is non-dischargeable (!) in bankruptcy. There are countless useless administrators, teachers, and concentrations which would not exist in a free market—and you are being forced to pay for people who seek to undermine your very existence in an inordinate fashion ($60k+). Professors are almost all leftists (especially in graduate school), the barbarians are inside the gates (i.e., low-IQ moron "ehes proletar" students who want to DESTROY anyone with an alternate opinion), and they conduct show trials for men accused of sexual assault (where the woman gets off scot free, even if she’s lying). In my opinion, it is a very hostile environment for white males who aren’t total communists (correction: being a white male makes your beliefs moot), and the cost is simply not worth it. As I said, many employers still think that someone who graduates from college has the ability to read, write, think, and get to work on time, though this is quickly changing (hence my bearishness of the value of a college degree generally). So, again I must implore you, either do it cheaply close to where you want to work or don’t do it at all.

Regarding Europe, I will reiterate my point: if you want to work in the U.S., it doesn’t really make sense, unless it’s for personal edification. And if you want access to European female students ;-) (though many are granola leftists from other countries [Image: undecided.gif] ). Perhaps most importantly, if you do pursue it, you must get a sense of the quality of the program beforehand. I have found a dearth of information in this regard. Erasmus kids in Europe don’t have to worry about paying much for the programs, so there seems to be a lack of competition/quality (unless you’re talking about top legacy schools, like LSE and Oxbridge—the only three high-quality ones I can think of off the top of my head). Be sure to avoid any Soros-funded institution.

Yes, there will undoubtedly be violence in Western Europe if there is no massive change in immigration policy (which is unlikely). I’ll leave it at that, and invite you to explore the topic further: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsFBjKuRy4M. Eastern Europe, after throwing off the yoke of the Ottomans, Austrians, Nazis, and Commies, has been more resilient in this regard. Ethnic homogeneity (without the white guilt and/or pathological altruism of Germany, France, Sweden, etc.) has also served them well. Some of those places might be decent places to find work (the Slavic countries), though I wouldn’t consider Hungary one of them. It’s too socialist and the economy is predictably mediocre. Speaking English is only a valuable skill if you couple it with something else (e.g., web application programming). (Another possible scenario here might be to make your Euro-denominated money in Western Europe and live in Eastern Europe (my cousin does this)). Many young Hungarians have been leaving the country for this reason. The U.S. is actually far superior in terms of economic opportunity than Europe, even if the women here are venomous harridans.

"Passion” is a noxious word, left over from the self-help/self-esteem movement of the 70s/80s/90s when people could afford such frivolity. You become far less passionate about your pursuits when you’re working for a shitty boss, making paltry money, or forced to toe a line you don’t believe in. I’ve been there, with the same justification. I was passionately broke.

I don’t understand the “/“ in “finance/public policy”. The latter excludes the former. The former actually does take “public policy” into account, though moreso in terms of keeping track of world events as they might affect your client’s portfolio, as an example.

My opinion is derived from what I’ve pieced together through educational/career trial-and-error, a good understanding of philosophy and current events, and a lot of reading. Perhaps I have less risk appetite than you do. I almost certainly have several blind spots. If everyone took the same path, the world would be a pretty boring place (actually, I wouldn’t mind if it were a little more boring at the moment).
Reply
#30

To Stay or Go (University Related)

Quote: (07-12-2017 11:06 PM)soviet_dissident Wrote:  

I suggested alternatives (coding bootcamps, taking practical finance courses, the trades) because I’m trying to talk you out of this route entirely. The Catcher in the Roosh, if you will (that would actually be a great screenname). The gate guards whose egos you must stroke at each stage are not to be trusted with your life/livelihood. Am I projecting my own biases and life experiences upon you? I am probably not wise enough to divorce myself from them.

Alternatives which I admit I do appreciate and will consider. I appreciate your honesty and personal integrity in acknowledging potential biases.

Quote:Quote:

Regarding Europe, I will reiterate my point: if you want to work in the U.S., it doesn’t really make sense, unless it’s for personal edification. And if you want access to European female students ;-) (though many are granola leftists from other countries [Image: undecided.gif] ). Perhaps most importantly, if you do pursue it, you must get a sense of the quality of the program beforehand. I have found a dearth of information in this regard. Erasmus kids in Europe don’t have to worry about paying much for the programs, so there seems to be a lack of competition/quality (unless you’re talking about top legacy schools, like LSE and Oxbridge—the only three high-quality ones I can think of off the top of my head). Be sure to avoid any Soros-funded institution.

Is there a website or easy metric for determining the quality of a particular program? One thought I've had is to go to a top university in China and learn Mandarin, but I am not very sure how to compare programs between different universities. Is it by the number of graduate papers produced?
Reply
#31

To Stay or Go (University Related)

Quote: (07-11-2017 08:18 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

The lesson is that you have to find what makes you happy. I was unhappy attending a feminist university while my financial situation was almost broke, but it's been almost 18 months since I left, and my financial situation and well-being are at least better.

When I was a university student in Toronto, I couldn't even afford to travel outside of the city boundaries of Toronto!, but now, my financial situation is better that I can afford at least 3 or 4 vacations at Mexican resorts a year If I wanted to.

Obviously, you'll be in a better financial situation if you are not paying university tuition and have time to work fulltime.

The real discussion is about long-term income earning.

It goes without saying that finishing a four year degree (or additional advanced education) will require sacrifice in the short term with a potential pay off in the future.

Not that I'm all for people investing in university degrees. But the argument that you'll be more financially stable if you dropped out right now isn't exactly in the outer realm of critical thinking, which is something that you are supposed to learn if you go to university (but probably won't). I did.

Ironically, the critical thinking skills I learned from the generally very excellent professors led me to question the actions of school administrators, including asking questions and engaging in activities that they most certainly frowned upon.

I'm the King of Beijing!
Reply
#32

To Stay or Go (University Related)

Quote: (07-14-2017 12:10 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (07-11-2017 08:18 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

The lesson is that you have to find what makes you happy. I was unhappy attending a feminist university while my financial situation was almost broke, but it's been almost 18 months since I left, and my financial situation and well-being are at least better.

When I was a university student in Toronto, I couldn't even afford to travel outside of the city boundaries of Toronto!, but now, my financial situation is better that I can afford at least 3 or 4 vacations at Mexican resorts a year If I wanted to.

Obviously, you'll be in a better financial situation if you are not paying university tuition and have time to work fulltime.

The real discussion is about long-term income earning.

It goes without saying that finishing a four year degree (or additional advanced education) will require sacrifice in the short term with a potential pay off in the future.

Not that I'm all for people investing in university degrees. But the argument that you'll be more financially stable if you dropped out right now isn't exactly in the outer realm of critical thinking, which is something that you are supposed to learn if you go to university (but probably won't). I did.

Ironically, the critical thinking skills I learned from the generally very excellent professors led me to question the actions of school administrators, including asking questions and engaging in activities that they most certainly frowned upon.

In terms of quality of life, moreso than long term income, I feel like if I were to get a degree in Europe (I've started to narrow down my search locations) it would be much more beneficial than just flat out dropping out. I know actual earned income will heavily depend on whether or not I am able to find work and integrate into whatever country I decide to live in, but I'm hopeful.

Am I defending my position? Maybe, but even if I don't agree with the advice given I appreciate that you've all given it.

One thing I'm definitely going to do is take advantage of internships while in DC and attempt to get my foot in the door somewhere. GWU might be expensive as all hell (it really is, let's be real), but what they offer is a pipeline into work that brings a stable and fairly substantial income if you know how to tap into it. That's something that can also happen in Benelux and I'd also assume one of the top schools in C.E.Europe... but I could be wrong on that second university.
Reply


Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)