Quote: (06-12-2017 05:57 PM)ksbms Wrote:
Quote: (06-07-2017 12:57 AM)Eugenics Wrote:
Quote: (06-06-2017 11:21 PM)Mig Picante Wrote:
Meet up for a coffee, then go for a walk by the river/park and make out on a bench.
No offense player but; Weak as fuck do not do this. This is such chump shit that you shouldn't even attempt it unless you know exactly what you're doing.
Quite to the contrary.
If you feel like you need to give them is more than you and your time, then it's a weak sauce. The only thing I bring to the date is myself because all the fun is me. She wants more (dinner, art show, cliff jumping, etc.) she can look for a chump to provide this. If you feel you need to be a provider, you feel deep down you don't deserve a girl to like you for who you are and you need to bait her with all this extra shit because you're afraid she won't listen what you're interested. I can talk for hours about a plethora of topics, from intellectual to emotionally charged, no problem. A coffee and a couple drinks is more than enough. It's all about getting to know each other. She can get more but only after she fucked me.
Unless you want to play a provider's "game". ![[Image: tard.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/new/tard.gif)
I've turned a few coffee dates into a first date lays but it has a pretty low ROI for me. When I mention ROI I'm talking about my time, I very rarely spend money on women. I've actually been on quite a few coffee dates and I've come to hate them. I think coffee dates are lame for a number of reasons but to narrow in on my demographic here I'm in my early 20s and I rarely go after girls outside the 18-25 range. Nowhere did I mention providing for women or paying anything, that's just not something I do.
The good: Grabbing coffee with another human is like the gold standard for a socially acceptable, low risk, easy and convenient way to spend time and talk to another human being. If the girl thinks she may be able to tolerate you for an hour she will probably be down to get coffee. Those are some pretty neat positives but on to what I consider the bad
The bad : Cliche and not initially alluring. You're another guy inviting her to coffee (note good game and dope personality can make up for this, but it can also make up for just about any-fucking-thing). Can be difficult to close, sex is typically the furthest thing away from a coffee date - in her mind sex probably isn't even on the table making it harder for you, and easier to get cock-blocked by some random feminine shit - IE she thinks it's just a coffee date with no follow up and doesn't have time to bounce for something else, she didn't shower after she took a shit and thought nothing of it because it's just a coffee date. There will be a lot of alert people around making it more difficult to isolate. Potential lack of control because you're less able to surprise her with cool shit and lead the interaction - the coffee date format is incredibly well known.
Worth noting again "the bad" can be mitigated with good game and strategy but I feel that point is moot because so can just about everything. You want to maximize your potential not stifle it.
All in all coffee can be good for weak leads to drum up some attraction and comfort or whatever because it's extremely neutral and accessible but if you've laid down the ground work to accomplish some of that already I think coffee is completely lame. I've wanted to bang some girls that aren't on my level intellectually or are just plain boring to talk to. Self amusement is extremely important to me. I can talk for a long time but I actually don't like it if I'm pulling all the weight. I would much rather have an engaging secondary activity (secondary to seduction) that brings out some real character in the person instead of a giant wall of words that at the end of the day is only what she wants to tell you and what you want to tell her. Coffee is all tell and no show, I don't like it. Not enough opportunity to show sexually attractive traits like leadership, social adeptness; things that show virility. There are plenty of other great alternatives.
Shared interest being the best one, especially if it's possible to get alone with her. Hiking, sight seeing, driving, cooking. Whatever, Mufasa nailed down some good ones, you get the idea. A lot easier to engineer surprises and "spontaneity" (well executed leadership). All of those can cost almost nothing, or a lot, it depends on how you don it.
Drinks - obvious. I've gotten a handful of girls to agree to have a drink with me on the premise they buy the next round and it's pretty much breaking even while creating a little bond there. Costs next to nothing if executed properly or done at your/her house.
Coffee has it's niche or whatever I just think it's way played out and it's not as useful as people make out. I'm of the opinion spending money on an experience for a woman has extremely diminishing returns, wasn't trying to advocate that at all. The women you guys have closed that started with coffee dates could've probably be done more effectively with something else.
Also worth noting is my demographic - 18-25. I want to push girls out of their comfort zone, make them have new and fun experiences, get their heart pumping and adrenaline glands working. While at the same time differentiating myself from her past experiences and the every day interactions she has with lame ass dudes. I want to pull her into my orbit, I want her to qualify herself to me because she witnesses me being a man and being self-amused and let her make the choice to join me because I'm awesome, or not because she's a boring basic bitch. It doesn't always work out like that, but that's the goal. Coffee doesn't really do any of that by itself.