[dario]

Let's face it, most girls go out in pairs. I meet tons of women when going out in Austin (just moved here), but they don't want to split from their girlfriend (phone numbers are needless and just for losers) so do I need a wingman? I'm older (look around 45) but I drive a Lambo and I'm a pro fitness trainer (hell of a body, and 6'2") so my only negative is the wrinkles on my face, which women don't even notice after a few drinks. Again, meeting women here is easy, but 90% of them go out in pairs or groups. I think if you're between 21 and 33 we shall get along fine. Any other recommendation (without the insults please)???

[PapayaTapper]

(06-05-2017 03:42 PM)dario Wrote:  

Let's face it, most girls go out in pairs. I meet tons of women when going out in Austin (just moved here), but they don't want to split from their girlfriend (phone numbers are needless and just for losers) so do I need a wingman? I'm older (look around 45) but I drive a Lambo and I'm a pro fitness trainer (hell of a body, and 6'2") so my only negative is the wrinkles on my face, which women don't even notice after a few drinks. Again, meeting women here is easy, but 90% of them go out in pairs or groups. I think if you're between 21 and 33 we shall get along fine. Any other recommendation (without the insults please)???

Then 3 ways should be a piece of cake. Here's a diagram

[Teflon1]

Love Austin and would love to go back. But if you're a pro fitness trainer and drive a Lamborghini, you should be able to get a pair of women to come home with you.

[dario]

Outstanding three-way diagram PapayaTapper, I will let you know if it worked (if you never hear from me again I probably got electrocuted and died). Teflon1 let me know when you're coming over! And yes, I tried the threesome game last Saturday! I was sitting at the bar and this blonde came to order drinks for her group of friends, so we started chatting and she seemed into me. I told her we should hang out and she said she would be back later to order more drinks and chat more, but as soon as she left, another blonde came to order drinks (I know, I was in the perfect spot) and we started chatting for a bit. Then she left but came back after just a few minutes and she seemed really into me. She also said she would be back and she said something like "join us at the table" or the like, but I wasn't really sure since the music was loud. So anyway as I was thinking about these two blondes, a brunette and her blond girlfriend sat next to me. The brunette really seemed into me and her blonde girlfriend also seemed to dig me, so there was the perfect threesome coming with a 95% probability...however, after chatting for about 40 minutes, they just got up and left, and when I looked around the other two blonds were also gone (of course none of these knew about my lambo, which was parked a few blocks away). So from four to zero in just 60 minutes...what did I do wrong? Don't girls actually dig you more if they see you talking to other pretty girls? Don't they like the "challenge?" I don't want to repeat the same mistakes this coming weekend so any help would be greatly appreciated (I know I was close to some action but I fucked up somehow, I must have violated one or more of Roosh's golden rules without realizing it)!

[Mufasa]

[torridon747]

You drive a lambo and are a fitness trainer and can't bed women. I require proofs, sir

[dario]

I should have mentioned this, I moved to Austin a couple of weeks ago and last weekend was my first weekend out clubbing (bars), so I wasn't expecting wild success that fast, which may actually have messed up my chances since one usually gets what he expects...(before then I had a steady girlfriend, face=9, but body=6, and that's why she's no longer my gf, she wasn't interested in physical improvement which for me is unacceptable).

[musampa]

Befriend people at your gym or colleagues, I think this is a good starting point to recruit a few wingmen

[dario]

That is good advice, but it will take time. I wanted to get some action this coming weekend already

[PapayaTapper]

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[PapayaTapper]

(06-06-2017 08:23 AM)dario Wrote:  

Outstanding three-way diagram PapayaTapper, I will let you know if it worked (if you never hear from me again I probably got electrocuted and died). Teflon1 let me know when you're coming over! And yes, I tried the threesome game last Saturday! I was sitting at the bar and this blonde came to order drinks for her group of friends, so we started chatting and she seemed into me. I told her we should hang out and she said she would be back later to order more drinks and chat more, but as soon as she left, another blonde came to order drinks (I know, I was in the perfect spot) and we started chatting for a bit. Then she left but came back after just a few minutes and she seemed really into me. She also said she would be back and she said something like "join us at the table" or the like, but I wasn't really sure since the music was loud. So anyway as I was thinking about these two blondes, a brunette and her blond girlfriend sat next to me. The brunette really seemed into me and her blonde girlfriend also seemed to dig me, so there was the perfect threesome coming with a 95% probability...however, after chatting for about 40 minutes, they just got up and left, and when I looked around the other two blonds were also gone (of course none of these knew about my lambo, which was parked a few blocks away). So from four to zero in just 60 minutes...what did I do wrong? Don't girls actually dig you more if they see you talking to other pretty girls? Don't they like the "challenge?" I don't want to repeat the same mistakes this coming weekend so any help would be greatly appreciated (I know I was close to some action but I fucked up somehow, I must have violated one or more of Roosh's golden rules without realizing it)!

What are you expecting? You think if you talk to a girl(s) long enough she's going to say "I like you, lets go fuck"?

"He who hesitates is lost: Swift and resolute action leads to success; self-doubt is a prelude to disaster" -Oliver Wendell Holmes

Sounds like youre hesitating

Quick tips

If youre engaging a girl for that long then suggest getting out of there: going to your place, another venue, etc.

Are you "sexualizing" your conversations with playful innuendo? The quicker she knows you want to bang her without you saying it directly, the better.

I used to say go for the number at least but that's equivalent to buying a lotto ticket now

Strike quickly, and boldly. Seize the moment in the moment. What's the worst that can happen? You end up with your dick in your hand which is the same end result that you would anyway if you don't


Edit: Personally I think a wing man is an unnecessary crutch at best and a liability at worst

[Teflon1]

What neighborhood/bars were you at, Dario? 6th was good for the younger college/party crowd, Rainey was good for slightly older, higher-end professional crowd as I recall...

[dario]

Valuable advice PapayaTapper; I definitely agree with the "seize the moment" strategy. I'm now realizing that studying dozens of pickup books was good, but nothing can replace having a mentor who I can watch in action, and obviously I don't have that. I actually highly prefer threesomes to one-on-one. One-on-one are just too "intimate" and I am not looking for a steady girlfriend. My question is, what motivation would a couple of girls have to abandon the bar scene fun in the middle of the night to go home with me? The venue-change strategy seems very valid, especially if you know where to go (which I really don't since I just moved here). Sure, I have a plentiful bar at may place (and plenty of Hors d'Oeuvres), and a great view from the top floor, but I'm not sure that's enough to get girls out of the bar scene and into my car. I also need to make clear that my standards are quite high. I will not even talk to any girl that isn't at least a 7. I definitely need an attitude/strategy correction but without a mentor/wingman this may take forever. As far as bars, I usually go west of 6th and the bars on Rockrose (Domain). Rainey seems a bit too young (i.e., flaky) but I definitely saw some serious talent there. Also the traffic on Rainey is impossible but that could actually give me some advantages given the car I drive. What do you think? Purposely get stuck in traffic to show off and grab chicks that pass by? I would think that would work in LA, but I'm not sure about Austin...
Another thing is that girls are much more suspicious of a guy by himself, I think. When I used to be "a natural" many years ago I almost always scored when I was with a wingman (extremely good at game), although I also did when going out alone sometimes. A "bubble" would materialize between the girl and I and when the bar closed she would go home with me. It's a talent I lost and need to re-acquire (now I have no idea how that was happening, but it was happening indeed).

[PapayaTapper]

(06-06-2017 06:26 PM)dario Wrote:  

I actually highly prefer threesomes to one-on-one.

So you want the formula for threesomes with random high caliber chicks on a regular basis? Well why didn't you say so?...thats easy...here it is step by step

1. Be famous

or...

2. Be rich &
3. Be good looking &
4. Have a killer pad &
5. Have a killer boat &
6. Have copious amounts of killer blow &
7. Have the local hotspots on lock down with the staff treating you like a king &
8. Have all the local after parties on lock down &
9. All of the above and be famous

That's it

All due respect but I don't know what you've been reading but you seemingly are lacking basic understanding of female sexuality.

If youre not trolling then here's some legit game advice

Learn to walk before you try to run.

What do I mean?

Anyone that has ever actually had a three way knows that the easiest way to make that happen is to already have one hot chick that's into it (bi sexual) or really into pleasing you and let her do the heavy lifting of pulling the 2nd chick.

Threesomes are just advanced level leveraging of female sexual fluidity

If you can't consistently pull high caliber chicks on your own then pulling threesomes is beyond your reach. I dont mean to come across as overly harsh but your post just comes across as "off": as if youre trolling or you're posturing.

If the latter then you don't need a wingman...you just need to spend some more time reading the available info on this forum

[TorontoRocks]

..

[dario]

PapayaTapper, I had tons of threesomes when I used to be a "natural" with chicks (my girlfriend was hot and bi), in my late 30's, so I must agree that I need to learn how to walk (again) before I can run (again). Actually let's just forget about threesomes for now (as it should be a subject for a different thread anyway) and get back to the initial post, which is about the fact that most girls go out in pairs or groups (I'd say 95% based on the last times I went out). Of course during the day it's totally different, I'd say about 90% go out alone (malls, coffee shops, grocery stores, etc.) and I stop at least a few every day (sometimes as many as five in a single day), so I definitely don't need a wingman for day game (if you're wondering about how many dates I got from day gaming, the answer is only one, and it was with a crazy vegan who was "asexual" because she was brokenhearted by her ex). Most girls I stop live with their boyfriends (rent is too high to live alone), are married, are not interested, don't reply to texts, have serious issues, etc. etc. (we're in the rogue USA after all) and so that's why I'm switching to night game. I also want to specify that I have a lot of fun when I go out, no matter what the outcome is. Last Saturday I talked to many chicks and got only one number from a pretty 21 that picked me up (no reply to my text of course), but I had a blast anyway! I appreciate your bluntness PapayaTapper, I'll get it right one of these days, I know I will, and I really appreciate your help!

[PapayaTapper]

(06-06-2017 11:33 PM)dario Wrote:  

Actually let's just forget about threesomes for now (as it should be a subject for a different thread anyway) and get back to the initial post, which is about the fact that most girls go out in pairs or groups (I'd say 95% based on the last times I went out).

Of course girls always go out in pairs or groups (the rare girl that goes to a bar /club by herself may as well wear a sign that says "Ill take some dick here please"...but that's for another thread too)

So rule of thumb is: you work the pair or group. Keep it fun, smooth and light. Deftly tell your stories demonstrate your value (you already have an inventory of these...right?) while gathering intel (who's in committed relationship, who's flexible, why are they here, what's their dynamic, who's the leader/ mother hen, etc etc). Identify your target/ best prospect.

Random tips

Depending on their dynamic and how it's going you might play on their competitive nature if you've got them both / all engaged

Younger chicks you can what I call "inoculate" against the friends cock block later by saying something along the lines of "You seem like youre mature for your age and the independent type. Am I right or are you one of those girls that lets their friends tell them what to do?"

In real estate the axiom is "location location location"

In the world of vagina sports its "logistics logistics logistics"

If youre new to the area then you need to invest some time in building solid rapport with 2-3 bartenders (this will pay huge dividends) in bars that are close to each other and ideally close to your place for quick venue changes and the all important "You wanna get out of here?" bounce. Be congenial and tip well This is critical IMO Better than a wing-man IMO

Venue changes are the ideal points to try to cut your target out of the herd

Example:

Inevitably at some point the girls are going to want to leave (usually one before the other). Before you get to that point you say "Hey a buddy of mine is bartending at X Bar, the cool little lounge/ pub / bistro. Let's hop over there for a bit." If your non target says "nah, I dont want to", or "let's go home" that's the perfect time to grab your target by the hand and then say to cock blocker "Ok then you don't mind if I borrow your friend for a bit right? I promise to bring her right back" If your target complies you know she's down. A short while later she can send her friend the "Hey I'm cool/ having fun/ see you later text" Game on

So...

Work the group, gather intel, lay the foundation, look for your opening, make your move. Does it always work? Of course not. But like everything else in life: "failing to plan is planning to fail"

[Rhyme or Reason]

PT is dropping the gold in this thread.

OP, the thing with 3somes, from my limited experience with them (well actually i've had one 4some, never had a 3some per se) is that it's mostly something you luck into. Unless, as PT says you're already dating a freak who is into it. If you're just going out cold approaching a 3some is a distant possibility that I wouldn't be holding out for.

In my case, it was one chick who I'd already banged several times, but we were not dating, and she had pulled some attention whorish making-out-with-another-random-hot-girl-at-the-bar stunt the week before and ended up hanging out with her and her other friend. We all rolled into the bar together and they were hanging off me all night, it was a great DHV. Some friends were there and saw this, and the next day I had lots of people asking about what happened who weren't even there. So YES, you are correct, having chicks = getting more chicks. I left with all 3 of them and went back to one of the chicks' apartment where it went down. At the time, I was actually only trying to bang one of them. I should also add that the one chick who I'd already banged was doing whatever she could to discourage me from making a move "oh shes not into you, ect" I almost let that get me down...almost. So we roll into the apartment and 10 minutes later they started all stripping their clothes off in the kitchen and from there, it was on.

But you can see how that was a unique set up and I basically got lucky, I didn't plan for it that way just capitalized on a situation that was ripe for the taking. I don't claim to be an expert on 3somes or how to pull them off so to each their own.

For me though, personally I probably wouldn't enjoy a planned out 3some as much as a random "we're all here, we're all drunk" type setup. But that's just me.

About the Lambo...

Quote:

(of course none of these knew about my lambo, which was parked a few blocks away)

If you plan to use the Lambo as a way to demonstrate your value then you've got to figure out a practical, and most of all plausibly deniable way to work that into your seduction. For example, you wouldn't come in guns blazing talking about your lambo which is parked outside. They will either assume you're lying, and laugh at you, or just not be impressed and laugh at you. The end result is the same, no pussy.

So if you are determined to use the lambo as another tool in your game kit, find a way to let them know you're driving one without saying so. You'll have to get creative otherwise you will seem like a try hard. Bitches have a very very sensitive detector for try hard bullshit.

Always, always SHOW and never TELL. This is critical.

This would likely mean you would have already had to pull a girl out of the venue (possibly on the way to another) and just hop in the car without saying a word. That's the simplest advantage I can think of. You would have to play it super cool for it to have any impact and frankly I wouldn't rely on your car alone to get you pussy, whether it's lambo or honda civic.

Re: Your general game plan

What kind of venues are you hitting up? Given your age you may want to consider not hitting the nightclub scene. Try young professional type bars and lounges. I don't know the city at all but given your age and income I would probably avoid wasting my time at the nightclub scene where you're already swimming against the current due to the age difference.

[dario]

It's really comforting to see that people who care about other human beings exist after all! Thank you so much for taking the time to offer your valuable advice to people in my same situation!

I must say, however, that as a successful businessman, I have to know when to call it off, and this is simply not working for me. Yesterday I went out again, talked to half a dozen chicks, went to bed (alone) really late, and now I'm sleep-deprived and trying to close deals in a bad mood (which is not good for business!). I am now at Starbucks, seeing lots of attractive chicks (some of them give me interesting looks) and after stopping two of them I must say, again, that this is not working. My rule is to stop whatever is not working and keep doing whatever is indeed working, so I must "stop stopping women".

Of course it's a "number game", but zero out of hundreds doesn't seem to exactly play in my favor. There must be some kind of "social conditioning" that tells pretty white american women not to cross the "40-something" line, or the "guy-with-an-accent" line (I am from Europe and speak many languages fluently) or something like that.

Women are not at all my priority. I used to be addicted to sex but luckily I am no longer (it took me years to "detox", and I'm glad I'm now "liberated"). Women for me are just entertainment. Very rarely I could also set up a business with a woman if she' were very talented, smart, and ambitious, but so far that's the exception rather then the norm. It's nice to go out with a woman, have some fun, and then satisfy her with some mind-blowing sex (yes I am quite incredible in bed), but it seems that such "service" is way too abundant here in the USA for some reason, and it's not in demand at all (well except from ugly/fat women, which I always run away from). I even tried to completely abstain from women and sex, but the physician I was dating at the time proved to me that sex is a human need that is built-in into us and that not having sex would be like giving up on meditation, which could have horrible psychological consequences. As you guys are saying, I should perhaps give up the night scene as well.

It's like deciding between studying music or studying applied physics. As you know there is an overabundance of extremely talented musician, but basically no applied physicists (I think 99% of PhD's in applied physics are from foreign countries), so if you're handsome, wealthy, smart, charismatic, healthy, and interesting, tough luck, you're not in demand at all in the USA! Guys like us are worth nothing to attractive american women, it seems (or maybe we're over-qualified and they feel too inferior, who knows)!

I don't meant to bring you down guys, you seem to be successful with women, and I'm happy for you, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm just going to enjoy myself and forget about women, well at least until I'll have a couple of millions in my bank accounts and let my body guards do all the hard work for me (I mean pick them up and sort them out, and I'll do the rest ;-)

I will stop a few more women here in Austin though, to ask them why women in Austin so anti-social and with such a high shield. Always on the defensive, and never replying to texts. I guess Roosh is right, let's get out of the USA (well except that I like white blonds only, so I guess I need to go to Sweden next)!

Good luck everyone, need to get back to work!

[PapayaTapper]

So your answer to not getting the results you want is to quit altogether?

And you claim to be successful in business?

[Darkwing Buck]

6'2" fitness trainer with a lambo...? why the fuck do you need a wingman?

[Rhyme or Reason]

Quote:

I even tried to completely abstain from women and sex, but the physician I was dating at the time proved to me that sex is a human need that is built-in into us

You needed a physician to convince you of this?

Quote:

There must be some kind of "social conditioning" that tells pretty white american women not to cross the "40-something" line, or the "guy-with-an-accent" line

There is all kinds of social conditioning telling people all kinds of things, game is all about circumventing that (or short circuiting it) to get what you want.

Rather than convince us why you don't need sex or why giving up is the best course of action, why not take a hard look in the mirror, and ask yourself

-what you could be doing wrong
-where your strengths are
-where your weaknesses are


I was actually just having a similar conversation about the bolded points above over a few days ago over drinks. I've never been a nightclub type guy. I could count the amount of times I've been to "dah clerbb" on one hand. Because I know it's not an environment I thrive in. So I opted for other avenues, which play to my strengths. Don't swim up stream if you don't have to. Finding a way to make your personality / age/ income / look work for you rather than against you is what you need to be doing here.

In summary:

-highlight your attributes (we all have them)
-downplay your weaknesses (we all have them)

But in order to this effectively you MUST BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF.

I'll repeat

YOU MUST BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF.

I can tell from your posts you've got a lot of delusions about yourself. Start by working on that.

[dario]

Sorry guys, I got busy and didn't realize there were unanswered posts.

To be honest, yes, I must be doing something wrong, but I just don't know what it is. It must be something silly, such as a wrong small detail (voice tone, rushing, over confidence, talking too fast, bad hair style, scary muscular body, who knows). I made a few male friends and got quite a few numbers by going out with them (I usually make the approach, but it helps to have a wing-man to keep the energy flowing), but just from 6's (6-1/2 at the most), and no dates yet (I'll text some of them and invite them over, so most likely they won't come--I'm not into wine-and-dine or shit like that which is fucking boring and time consuming).

To be clear, by "giving up" I meant changing city. I feel women in Texas are very conservative (bible-belt kind), whereas more secular cultures, such as Canadians, are a much better fit for me (even though Toronto is considered "tough" I always got dates very quickly, and even bangs at times).

Things are definitely getting better, but this is taking way too long. One thing that really bothers me is knowing that even if a chick is into me she will still force me to go on 2-3 dates and play hard to get, which completely unmotivates me from even going out and trying...

Since the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect different results, don't you all think that I should try different venues? If so, what do you recommend? I do not want to do any online dating, since guys my age are automatically filtered out by pretty chicks (I tried it for many years and only banged 5's and 6's, so just the thought of online dating nauseates me).

[dario]

Just a quick update...after trying really hard for the last month and a half, it seems certain that getting dates with hot women requires proven social status. You need to have tons of friends, go out a lot, attend events, and have a solid reputation that precedes you. This may take many months, or even years, and there is no way around this. Hot women simply don't go out with guys without a solid, proven social status (well unless they're totally drunk and for some reason you happen to be at the right place and the right time). This is quite obvious since Texas is part of the "bible belt" and women are extremely "conservative" (well unless you're 22 and very good looking, in which case you'll get lade at least once a day) (or unless you're happy banging 6's and below)...

[JohnKreese]

(07-17-2017 02:23 PM)dario Wrote:  

Just a quick update...after trying really hard for the last month and a half, it seems certain that getting dates with hot women requires proven social status. You need to have tons of friends, go out a lot, attend events, and have a solid reputation that precedes you. This may take many months, or even years, and there is no way around this. Hot women simply don't go out with guys without a solid, proven social status (well unless they're totally drunk and for some reason you happen to be at the right place and the right time). This is quite obvious since Texas is part of the "bible belt" and women are extremely "conservative" (well unless you're 22 and very good looking, in which case you'll get lade at least once a day) (or unless you're happy banging 6's and below)...

Thankfully for you, Austin is completely different from the rest of Texas and none of the bolded applies (but of course, you already knew that)! Go forth and slay!