[Jarocho2003]

Is a reality many of us avoided because we might have fallen for the idea of being this guy with wizard like powers that can make any bitch do anything, but the biggest pimp in the world Don "Magic" Juan had challenges with women. There is a reason why he invented the saying "pimps up hos down" as he always saw himself as above them even though they made him rich and famous ( wait! he would probably tell you HE made himself rich and famous).
Hate women because of all those reasons...love them because once they have fallen for me I can have some fucking fun with them. Does it feel bigger getting pussy than if I was the pro soccer player that I've always wanted to be? Probably NOT because I've gotten pussy and not a single game on the bench playing for Manchester United YET I still love soccer and not sure I always like women...

[Riker]

Its impossible to decide not to give a shit. I mean if you’re trying to not give a shit you already care too much by definition. That is earned through experience. Once you get rejected enough you won’t give a shit about another rejection. Once you get laid enough you also won’t give a shit about that. Basically the solution is taking right action and accumulating that experience.

I also hate the advice take the pussy off the pedestal. That shit is not actually on a physical pedestal where I can take her off, and its not something I’m going to fix through some mental exercises or affirmations. I think its better to give the advice of keep meeting new women and you’ll naturally value each one less, and also, put yourself on a higher pedestal. Value yourself, your friends, and your family more than any lizard and you’ll naturally act like she’s not that important to you.

Obviously still great advice, it’s the end goal, just not something that can be done directly.

[Neo]

While it's frustrating to get flaked on and deal with women's BS you have to take these things in stride. For me the best defense was always having girls in the bag. Why do I care if I get flaked on if I'm going to get laid this weekend, tomorrow, or next week?

I really believe that's the key to not caring. It takes work, but a girl can flake and I won't give a shit. I know if I keep improving my lifestyle, myself, and keep on approaching the pussy will come. Of course I am writing this at a time when I am getting consistent ass. When I am in a dry spell my thoughts become more negative. But it's all up to me, I know the more I work the more girls I get.

[k37]

The problem for me is that I'm still young (21) so every time I think I'm getting to the "not giving a shit" stage I'll get flaked on by a 9 I've put on a pedestal and let the "backup" pussy slide. But whatever, at least my business is going well.

[oldnemesis]

(08-30-2011 10:52 PM)CupCake Wrote:  

12:30 "I get off work around 5:30. We could meet somewhere for a drink."
6:12 "No beer?"
Well, looks like I got some obvious sign of interest. I got nothing better to do. Might as well give it a shot: "I just got dinner out. Let's meet at [a bar near me] at 7."

Making yourself available on a short note is giving up value. This says that either you don't have any other plans, or they're so crappy that meeting with her is the most excited event of your day.

When dealing with flakes, you have to be very vague. For example, on her 12:30 message I'd reply something like "maybe", and keep it vague, judging her interest by the messages.
If she looks interested, end it up with something "Let me know once you get to the bar X, I'll stop by".
If she doesn't - like it was in your case - set up the time pretty late (like 9pm) and flake on her around 6pm before she flakes on you. Something like "sorry, gonna eat at home, my friend is stopping by to cook me a dinner". Then ignore her messages for the rest of the day. You need to rebuilt the value you've lost.

[Kaizen]

Lot of that O Post rings true.

Good write up cup cake.

[silent_scope]

(08-31-2011 11:51 AM)CupCake Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 04:25 AM)silent_scope Wrote:  

My friends wives and/or their girlfriends have flat out told me all of this about other women. I still go into every situation thinking it's going to be different. It never is. Every time it happens, it chips away at my soul and I move on.

Don't just move on. Learn from the situation and adapt your thinking and behavior. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

I say I move on because it's not worth my time or effort to chew a chick out for some flaky shit she done did. Chances are good she won't care. But if by some miracle she actually apologized, straightened up and flew right, I'm well beyond giving a single fuck about her.

Complete turn off. I move on.

[FretDancer]

Its tough, but its good to get that shit out of yourself. Finding women who are worth your time are incredibly hard to find, finding women who are worth keeping is twice as hard, never forget this.

Still, theres a small share of good worth while women out there (and not just for sex), women that can make you have a good time in many aspects, women that can teach you stuff, and you can teach them things too.

Keep your eyes open, and never forget what all your experiences with women have taught you.

[pitt]

This topic reinforces my belief about women. I met this guy last year who told me to look look at women as if they were children and they really are. What mature person will ''promess'' to come meet you at the time x and then last minute flakes on you?

Anyway, i have noticed that women flakes on everybody and usually the best players tend to get most of the flaking, the secret here is how you take the flakiness.

When a girl flakes on me, if im not that interested, i ignore it, if im very very interested, i become really persistent but not giving a fuck about the outcome at the same time. Thats why its good to have fuckbuddies on the side, a girl flakes on you when you think you going to fuck that day, call one of your fuckbuddies and the girl you were going to meet doesnt matter anymore. I remember before i used to get really mad when girls used to flake on me, specially when i knew i was going to close the deal and i used to wonder if i said anything wrong to her, right now i just dont give a fuck, as my friend used to say ''you cant get emotional in this game, she flakes you try and try again''..but i only try again when i know she is also into me but is just flaking because she is a child (a women in other words).. so i talk to her on the phone till she invites me for us to meet up.

Dont let it get to you that much, its part of the game.

[Giovonny]

(08-31-2011 12:14 PM)ea303 Wrote:  

Its a tough tight rope to cross, cynical vs realist vs bitter vs optimist who is let down by the world.

I love this stuff. The stuff that goes "inside the mind of a player".

(08-31-2011 12:14 PM)ea303 Wrote:  

True indifference is indifference. Get options then upgrade if something doesnt come through you have something to fall back on, even if its just spending time with yourself working on a project, or hobby.

Thats good player advice.

(08-31-2011 11:05 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

See a girl pumping gas while driving?
Guess what? Pull in and stick that pump in your tank right next to her and start talking.
I do this without even putting gas in my car.

Haha! Thanks "El", I'm gonna add this to my repertoire.

[Giovonny]

(08-31-2011 10:46 AM)Moma Wrote:  

try and game another lizard in front of this one if possible. The ultimate diss to a lizard is to try and hit on another one in her presence.
That will really shine the lights in her reptilian iris and cause her to scarper for the rocks.

The power surge from this is unbelievable.

You guys are hilarious!

Here is another power grabbing tactic that you guys will appreciate.

I wrote this last year:

"I have been experimenting with calling girls "Bitches". Don't call me a misogynist or whatever. Im just doing social-anthropology research. I have done it with 2 girls.

It started during sex, I would call her a bitch and tell her to talk dirty and call herself a "bitch" and stuff like that. The first girl did it but the next day she told me she didn't like it. It was no big deal.

The 2nd girl was a little shy at first but she got in to it and started calling herself daddys little bitch and all that. After that I started saying it kind of jokingly to her when we were together. Nothing too crazy. She trusted me as her man and if I wanted to call her a bitch once in a while she was cool with it.

That girl was down and loyal as fuck.

The first girl wanted at least 50% of the power in our relationship.

The second girl was happy to give me all power.

Talk about "framing" a situation. That pretty much lets her know that you are bolder and ballsy-er then 99% of the guys out there. And do it in a real cool, calm way. Just say it half playful/half serious as your correcting her.

Its the ultimate "compliance test"

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[ersatz]

Maybe it's your venue. It's a common saying that "You don't meet the person your going to marry in a bar". And there is plenty of high quality girls that work a lot that you'll never, ever meet in any sort of night venue. They may not even drink alcohol or do drugs. If you want certain types of fish, you got have the fishing technique for them. 'Bang' won't work on those sweet Ethopian-Americans, it's a different kind of ocean. Just like Roosh travels the world to find the right oceans, you got to find the right pieces of shoreline/subculture in your local area. You got to target your marketing to get a better conversion rate and reduce your costs.

It's okay to go social circle game. If a girl in your social circle flakes on you, she's going to have to live up to it pretty quickly soon after (sometimes). It costs nothing for girls to flake, make the environment that there will be a fucking price, no matter how small if they do. I think half the reason why you play flake games with these flakes is that your building up an internal price for them to flake on you.