[assman]

I'm thinking of moving out of NYC. It's just too expensive.

Any suggestions on cities? I'm not working at the moment, so I'm flexible on where I go.

Preferences:
1. Decent abundance of attractive chicks. Coming from NYC, I realize I'm spoiled, but hoping the dropoff doesn't make me cry. I'm mostly into white chicks if that helps.

2. Non-ridiculous levels of competition. Again, coming from NYC, where the m:f ratio is skewed in favor of guys, I'm spoiled, so am bound to take a hit anywhere else, but hoping it's not so bad that I am forced into porn addiction.

3. Lower cost of living. So Vegas is out.

4. Relatively large city with plenty of anonymity. I can't move to no small town.

5. Weather. Can't deal with Pacific Northwest type constantly rainy weather. Nor Houston type humidity.

6. Good transport infrastructure would be nice, but I suppose I'd need a car anywhere outside NYC, so fine, I'll bite that bullet.

[_DC_]

(08-30-2011 03:26 PM)assman Wrote:  

I'm thinking of moving out of NYC. It's just too expensive.

Any suggestions on cities? I'm not working at the moment, so I'm flexible on where I go.

Preferences:
1. Decent abundance of attractive chicks. Coming from NYC, I realize I'm spoiled, but hoping the dropoff doesn't make me cry. I'm mostly into white chicks if that helps.

2. Non-ridiculous levels of competition. Again, coming from NYC, where the m:f ratio is skewed in favor of guys, I'm spoiled, so am bound to take a hit anywhere else, but hoping it's not so bad that I am forced into porn addiction.

3. Lower cost of living. So Vegas is out.

4. Relatively large city with plenty of anonymity. I can't move to no small town.

5. Weather. Can't deal with Pacific Northwest type constantly rainy weather. Nor Houston type humidity.

6. Good transport infrastructure would be nice, but I suppose I'd need a car anywhere outside NYC, so fine, I'll bite that bullet.

Just off the top of my head: Chicago. If you can't deal with the weather than maybe Miami? Its not "cheap" but its certainly cheaper than NYC or DC (which I wouldn't recommend anyway )

[wi30]

What is your interpretation of big city? To some people it could be millions and to others it could be 100,000. Also, what is your weather preference? Do you want something similar to NYC or someplace warmer? Is the job market a factor?

There is a lot of under-rated tier 2 cities in the U.S that are actually pretty cool. I guess my only suggestion is to make a list of what factors are going to influence your decision the most and narrow it down from there.

[speakeasy]

On number 3, Vegas is not that expensive unless you plan to be gambling every weekend.

I'd recommend for you San Diego. While nothing in California is cheap, it's cheaper than NYC.

[Caligula]

+1 on San Diego. Nice weather, beaches, hot girls, cheaper than NYC or even LA.

[thegmanifesto]

"+1 on San Diego. Nice weather, beaches, hot girls, cheaper than NYC or even LA."

Sure. It is cheaper than SF also. And Orange County (Laguna, Newport).

But it very well might be #4 in the country.

It is called "Sunshine Tax".

And the dough made is way lower in San Diego.

San Diego is probably the highest price/lowest wage disparity location in America.

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Not sure I understand this one:

"3. Lower cost of living. So Vegas is out."

Las Vegas is mad cheap right now.

I think you can by a crib for like 60k.

(Unless you are hitting The Strip every night, gambling, bottle service, limos, 5 star restaurants, and strip clubs, the place is very affordable. If you are doing those things, well then yeah, it might be the most expensive).

By your list, I think you should stay in NYC.

[memcpy]

I've thought about moving to Colorado based off of the demographic's you find showing it to be one of the thinnest states. That and certain drug laws are lax.

San Diego also a good choice.

http://www.examiner.com/extreme-weight-l...te-america

[alb3]

I would say Charlotte, NC because it has plenty of hot white girls who are friendly but it's not the largest of cities.

[Ajiaco]

Off the top of my head, some places down further south.

Austin Texas is a favorite of mine.

Always wanted to check out Nashville.

[Dash Global]

(08-30-2011 05:18 PM)alb3 Wrote:  

I would say Charlotte, NC because it has plenty of hot white girls who are friendly but it's not the largest of cities.

Id say Raleigh is better. Girls are alot more friendly and down to earth and not so stuck on who is driving the bentley parked outside the club in Uptown Charlotte. Then you have the BEACH / AWESOME college town in Wilmington only an hour away.

Only reason someone should choose Charlotte over Raleigh is if you just love the more upscale clubbing scene. (I find the girls alot more pretentious in this scene) Raleigh has a few of those places but you will have more options in Charlotte.

[assman]

(08-30-2011 03:30 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

Just off the top of my head: Chicago. If you can't deal with the weather than maybe Miami? Its not "cheap" but its certainly cheaper than NYC or DC (which I wouldn't recommend anyway )

Can't deal with Chicago winters.

(08-30-2011 04:17 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

On number 3, Vegas is not that expensive unless you plan to be gambling every weekend.

I'd recommend for you San Diego. While nothing in California is cheap, it's cheaper than NYC.

(08-30-2011 04:39 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

+1 on San Diego. Nice weather, beaches, hot girls, cheaper than NYC or even LA.

(08-30-2011 04:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"+1 on San Diego. Nice weather, beaches, hot girls, cheaper than NYC or even LA."

Sure. It is cheaper than SF also. And Orange County (Laguna, Newport).

But it very well might be #4 in the country.

It is called "Sunshine Tax".

And the dough made is way lower in San Diego.

San Diego is probably the highest price/lowest wage disparity location in America.

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Not sure I understand this one:

"3. Lower cost of living. So Vegas is out."

Las Vegas is mad cheap right now.

I think you can by a crib for like 60k.

(Unless you are hitting The Strip every night, gambling, bottle service, limos, 5 star restaurants, and strip clubs, the place is very affordable. If you are doing those things, well then yeah, it might be the most expensive).

By your list, I think you should stay in NYC.

San Diego: sounds like it would be a little cheaper, but not by much. And I'm guessing the competition is much more intense? Higher guy:girl ratio?

Vegas: Didn't realize Vegas was that cheap. I suppose I'm still afraid I'll blow too much money on the Strip. But I'll look into rents out there. And obviously Vegas would be a pussy nirvana.

[assman]

(08-30-2011 04:12 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

What is your interpretation of big city? To some people it could be millions and to others it could be 100,000. Also, what is your weather preference? Do you want something similar to NYC or someplace warmer? Is the job market a factor?

There is a lot of under-rated tier 2 cities in the U.S that are actually pretty cool. I guess my only suggestion is to make a list of what factors are going to influence your decision the most and narrow it down from there.

Good questions.

I just want a city big enough that I don't start running into the same people over and over. No idea how big that means. Maybe 1mm+?

Weather: so long as it isn't crazy rainy (Pac NW), crazy humid (Houston, parts of FL), crazy cold (Chicago), I'm good. I'm fine with NY and that gets pretty hot in the summer, and pretty cold in the winter, but not to very uncomfortable extremes.

No, job market not a major factor. I'll have to come back to NY (probably) when I'm ready to work (finance). The South has some appeal because it means I can come back to see family in NY area more frequently and more cheaply, as opposed to the West.

[Dash Global]

Some other cities id recommend


Charleston

Atlanta

Savannah

Myrtle Beach

[thegmanifesto]

"San Diego: sounds like it would be a little cheaper, but not by much. And I'm guessing the competition is much more intense? Higher guy:girl ratio?"

Way higher. It's not even funny.

Trust me, every guy in America has thought at least once, "Maybe I should move to San Diego! The beach. Girls. The weather, and it's not ethnic and dangerous like Miami! I could be a bartender! It's cheaper than LA! Plus I won't have to compete with guys with Ferrari's! And more straight than SF!"

Hence tons of guys.

And there is no "industry" to keep the girls (ie modeling, fashion etc) so they move to LA.

And cost of things ie drinks, food, cabs, is on par with LA, SF or Miami, but many times lower quality.

"Vegas: Didn't realize Vegas was that cheap. I suppose I'm still afraid I'll blow too much money on the Strip. But I'll look into rents out there. And obviously Vegas would be a pussy nirvana."

Yeah, rents are pretty low I think.

Las Vegas is the most brutalized city in America right now.

"Weather: so long as it isn't crazy rainy (Pac NW), crazy humid (Houston, parts of FL), crazy cold (Chicago), I'm good."

Keep in mind, Las Vegas, is crazy hot.

[assman]

A general concern about the Rockies and west. All the single people maps I've seen show a much worse guy:girl ratio once you get as far west as the Rockies, and all the way to the Pacific coast. My guess is that your game needs to be really good out there to do well. Mine is mediocre and I'm not a terribly good looking guy, so bad demographics means an uphill battle for me.

How does the ratio compare in the South?

[assman]

(08-30-2011 05:53 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"San Diego: sounds like it would be a little cheaper, but not by much. And I'm guessing the competition is much more intense? Higher guy:girl ratio?"

Way higher. It's not even funny.

Trust me, every guy in America has thought at least once, "Maybe I should move to San Diego! The beach. Girls. The weather, and it's not ethnic and dangerous like Miami! I could be a bartender! It's cheaper than LA! Plus I won't have to compete with guys with Ferrari's! And more straight than SF!"

Yep, I've thought the exact same thing, and that's why I was concerned the ratio would be bad. Thanks for confirming.

What about Santa Barbara? I suppose the same dynamics are in effect - lots of draws for the guys, not a lot to keep the girls there.

[assman]

One thing I should have mentioned in the OP (too late to edit it) is that I'm mid-30s. So obviously I wouldn't want a city where everyone is married young and there's no singles scene where a mid-30s guy could easily fit in.

[thegmanifesto]

(08-30-2011 05:59 PM)assman Wrote:  

(08-30-2011 05:53 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"San Diego: sounds like it would be a little cheaper, but not by much. And I'm guessing the competition is much more intense? Higher guy:girl ratio?"

Way higher. It's not even funny.

Trust me, every guy in America has thought at least once, "Maybe I should move to San Diego! The beach. Girls. The weather, and it's not ethnic and dangerous like Miami! I could be a bartender! It's cheaper than LA! Plus I won't have to compete with guys with Ferrari's! And more straight than SF!"

Yep, I've thought the exact same thing, and that's why I was concerned the ratio would be bad. Thanks for confirming.

What about Santa Barbara? I suppose the same dynamics are in effect - lots of draws for the guys, not a lot to keep the girls there.

Haven't been to Santa Barbara in a while.

The thing that Santa Barbara has going for it, is it is a college town, and the college dominates the action.

I would suspect that girls over 23 would have a hard time staying.

[el mechanico]

Santa Cruz? I love that place. Great weather and surfing..A little hip but, thats the only place out west I would live.

[alb3]

(08-30-2011 05:53 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"San Diego: sounds like it would be a little cheaper, but not by much. And I'm guessing the competition is much more intense? Higher guy:girl ratio?"

Way higher. It's not even funny.

Trust me, every guy in America has thought at least once, "Maybe I should move to San Diego! The beach. Girls. The weather, and it's not ethnic and dangerous like Miami! I could be a bartender! It's cheaper than LA! Plus I won't have to compete with guys with Ferrari's! And more straight than SF!"

Hence tons of guys.

And there is no "industry" to keep the girls (ie modeling, fashion etc) so they move to LA.

And to piggy back on this, in SD there are tons of Navy dudes on the prowl as well.

[speakeasy]

Was just in Santa Barbara last week. Nice little town. If you are college age and can fit in with that crowd, there's tons of pussy up there. I used to go to some of the famed Halloween parties around the campus(Isla Vista) when I was in my early 20s. I don't know how old you are.

Just keep in mind that SB is for college students, wealthy retirees and for LA couples looking for a romantic getaway. If you don't fit into those slots you might have a hard time finding your niche.

[azulsombra]

So you want N.Y. type weather?
Lower Cost of living?
Less Competition?
More than 1M people?
Good Transportation?
and white girls?

Sounds like Philly to me.

Although it has it's own negatives it fits most of your criteria.

[assman]

(08-30-2011 06:55 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

So you want N.Y. type weather?
Lower Cost of living?
Less Competition?
More than 1M people?
Good Transportation?
and white girls?

Sounds like Philly to me.

Although it has it's own negatives it fits most of your criteria.

Interesting. Never would have thought of Philly. But I suppose I could get even lower costs of living by moving further south.

I don't 'want' NY weather. I just don't want extreme cold, extreme humidity or extreme wet. And 1mm population figure was just a throw out number. I only care that it's enough people that you don't feel like you're running into the same people over and over. Maybe the population needed for that is a lot less than 1mm? Maybe 400k?

As for competition, I just want to avoid a tougher time getting easy sex due to a high male:female ratio, which I suspect is the case from the Rockies on westward.

[assman]

Found a site called Rentbits that purports to measure rents in various cites.

Here's how some of the cities mentioned in this thread stack up - all 1BR medians:
NYC: 3200 (no, that is not a typo)
DC: 2550
San Diego: 1500
Austin: 1177
Philly: 1050 (holy shit, I was surprised it was so cheap. I wonder if that rent puts you in a neighborhood with the roaming teen
gangs that have been in the news)
Charlotte: 995
New Orleans: 935
Raleigh: 819
Vegas: 700 (you were right, G)

That settles it. I am getting the fuck out of NY. Just have to figure out where to go.

[Dash Global]

New Orleans

would be my choice off that list based on price / fun / women