[Travesty]

^ That's awful someone needs to invade Toronto and raze it to the ground.

Well he was Aussie. That's a terrible start when it comes to male self-esteem. Australia is worse than Canada at seems. This bitch may have been an upgrade for him sadly.

[Moma]

(02-17-2015 06:13 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^ That's awful someone needs to invade Toronto and raze it to the ground.

Well he was Aussie. That's a terrible start when it comes to male self-esteem. Australia is worse than Canada at seems. This bitch may have been an upgrade for him sadly.

I don't know if Australia is that bad. Maybe it depends on city. We have had no travel reports from non white guys about different cities in Australia. I say this because I've heard from multiple sources that black guys kill it there.

And to reiterate, Canada is nice for poon, it's only Toronto that sucks ass. Once I hit up Burlington (only 45 mins drive), I was getting better shag prospects.

[Travesty]

^ I've been to Melbourne and Sydney. It was not good for me at the bars or in the streets, I saw more attractive international chicks in the hostels I was at. Heard for black guys in Australia the story is different.

[Brosemite]

(02-17-2015 06:23 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 06:13 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^ That's awful someone needs to invade Toronto and raze it to the ground.

Well he was Aussie. That's a terrible start when it comes to male self-esteem. Australia is worse than Canada at seems. This bitch may have been an upgrade for him sadly.

I don't know if Australia is that bad. Maybe it depends on city. We have had no travel reports from non white guys about different cities in Australia. I say this because I've heard from multiple sources that black guys kill it there.

And to reiterate, Canada is nice for poon, it's only Toronto that sucks ass. Once I hit up Burlington (only 45 mins drive), I was getting better shag prospects.

Deluge provided that info in the past regarding Melbourne.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-8900-p...#pid131045

[Pokerbaby]

(02-17-2015 06:11 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Poker, how long had the Aussie been in Toronto for?

about a year.

[blacknwhitespade]

I like the work hard/play hard vibe of Toronto, the seasons, historic hockey culture, and ethnic diversity. I went there a few times for business last year. Seems like Toronto suffers from similar issues that plague American cities like San Francisco and Seattle, and to a lesser extent Chicago and New York. Like the west coast cities, you have a very liberal/snark vibe, feminist integration, a lot of Asian eye candy and a lot more insufferable white feminists. People are aloof and oblivious to one another. I encountered the bitch shields from girls while just innocently asking directions on the street and trying to make chit-chat in restaurants. And like Chi or NY, a lot of the women downtown are horrible, there's a city/suburbs social chasm and the people in the burbs are a bit more friendly, my Toronto co-worker affirms this. If you're really into Asians, Toronto is probably alright, otherwise I can see why it's constantly skewered as a bad hunting ground.

[Moma]

(02-17-2015 07:56 PM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 06:11 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Poker, how long had the Aussie been in Toronto for?

about a year.

Wow, poisoned so swiftly!

[Moma]

(02-18-2015 12:21 AM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

If you're really into Asians, Toronto is probably alright, otherwise I can see why it's constantly skewered as a bad hunting ground.

The Asians there are FOBish like a muthafcuka though. I encounter Asians here where I'm at, there is quite a big group where I play ball at and you can see they make much more of a stronger effort to assimilate into Western culture than in Toronto.

Don't get me wrong, I can bet every last one of them can speak their parents language fluently but quite a few of them speak English with a North American accent.

They would be more open into integration as US is more into assimilation via nationalism than Canada is (acceptance of all groups but secretly hate them on the sly).

[kazz]

I was in Canada for 1.5 years, working. I lived in TO for most of the time. The girls there were ok to talk to, but other than that most seemed to have their head stuck so far up there own ass they could brush there teeth through it. Even the fatties. The thirst and competitiveness of the men there was harsh. Other cities in Canada were much better; as Moma mentioned, I also went down to Burlington to a party, it was like another world compared to Toronto.

With regards to Australia The only place I can think of as bad, pussy wise, to Toronto is the Gold Coast, place is an absolute sausage fest.

[Deluge]

That datasheet is very outdated now by the way. There's only so many good places to pull here and the PUA scene is big so I'm not making a new one, but if you PM me I'm happy to help.

(02-17-2015 06:26 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^ I've been to Melbourne and Sydney. It was not good for me at the bars or in the streets, I saw more attractive international chicks in the hostels I was at. Heard for black guys in Australia the story is different.

Sounds about right. Whereabouts in the states are you from/been that was better by the way?

I must've had a million conversations with Saladin and Johnny Football about Toronto vs. Australia. Both have fat Anglo women of course but Toronto's major problem seems to be the attitude on the girls. Australia's problem is the "SMV" of the dudes. When Saladin was in Bali recently he told me that after competing with all the tall jacked guys Aussie who approach a lot he had a new respect for my results I guess is the advantage is if you know the right places and have an in with the right scenes you can avoid a lot of that competition, but most locals even have neither. I think it was Que Enspatic once said, doing well in Australia is niche game on full blast. For a lot of the PUA guys (95% of whom suck) that means day gaming FOB Asian international students.

[rudebwoy]

The city has guys who undervalue themselves and girls who overvalue themselves.
Not a good recipe for dating.
For the most part girls are anti players but yet they will play the field if given the chance.
I don't take them serious and travel when I can.
If you are reading this and live in the city, work on getting out if you can!

[Saladin]

(02-18-2015 05:18 AM)kazz Wrote:  

I was in Canada for 1.5 years, working. I lived in TO for most of the time. The girls there were ok to talk to, but other than that most seemed to have their head stuck so far up there own ass they could brush there teeth through it. Even the fatties. The thirst and competitiveness of the men there was harsh. Other cities in Canada were much better; as Moma mentioned, I also went down to Burlington to a party, it was like another world compared to Toronto.

With regards to Australia The only place I can think of as bad, pussy wise, to Toronto is the Gold Coast, place is an absolute sausage fest.

Australia doesn't have the cold and brutal winters Toronto does, especially the last couple of years which have been horrible. That basically ensures you can't daygame at all from November to March which is 5 months of the year. Especially with the PUAs fucking it up at indoor malls for us.

The only real options during the winter are night game and online dating. I suck at online dating, so pretty much night game for me.

[Travesty]

Quote:

Sounds about right. Whereabouts in the states are you from/been that was better by the way?

All of SoCal
Phoenix / Scottsdale / Tempe
Chicago
NYC
South Florida
Las Vegas

Sydney and Melbourne seemed on par with the bad game cities I've been to in the U.S..

Seattle
Portland
Denver

[Saladin]

(02-18-2015 06:47 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

That datasheet is very outdated now by the way. There's only so many good places to pull here and the PUA scene is big so I'm not making a new one, but if you PM me I'm happy to help.

(02-17-2015 06:26 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^ I've been to Melbourne and Sydney. It was not good for me at the bars or in the streets, I saw more attractive international chicks in the hostels I was at. Heard for black guys in Australia the story is different.

Sounds about right. Whereabouts in the states are you from/been that was better by the way?

I must've had a million conversations with Saladin and Johnny Football about Toronto vs. Australia. Both have fat Anglo women of course but Toronto's major problem seems to be the attitude on the girls. Australia's problem is the "SMV" of the dudes. When Saladin was in Bali recently he told me that after competing with all the tall jacked guys Aussie who approach a lot he had a new respect for my results I guess is the advantage is if you know the right places and have an in with the right scenes you can avoid a lot of that competition, but most locals even have neither. I think it was Que Enspatic once said, doing well in Australia is niche game on full blast. For a lot of the PUA guys (95% of whom suck) that means day gaming FOB Asian international students.

I'll take Bali over Toronto any day. The competition is tough, but the supply is far superior(hot European girls). Plenty of pussy to go around....

[ONE A DAY]

(02-18-2015 07:13 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

The city has guys who undervalue themselves and girls who overvalue themselves.
Not a good recipe for dating.
For the most part girls are anti players but yet they will play the field if given the chance.
I don't take them serious and travel when I can.
If you are reading this and live in the city, work on getting out if you can!

I totally agree with Rodebwoy.

First of all, I'm brazilian and I've lived in Montreal for a year and then moved to Toronto about 4 years ago. I can tell that Quebecoise girls are more approachable compared to Toronto. Like he said, girls overvalue themselves in here... They are glued to their phones... The majority of the girls would rather go eat instead of experience any adventure. It's been a challenge not only for me but for the majority of the guys who are out there, trying.

That being said, my strategy is to save my $$$ as much as I can so I can go elsewhere and have TRUE fun. As of right now, I'm often doing the Online Game (AKA TINDER) cause the odds of meeting someone are slim but overall good/solid when it happens (Compared to going out and scoring nothing but "sorry, I'm not interested. I have a boyfriend. Etc...")

I used to have lots of energy but I no longer go out to a bar/lounge (hunting) and get an attitude from those "overvalued" girls...

[DjembaDjemba]

It's not just the girls. The men there the cause of so much of the female behaviour.

Thirst and posturing are the daily matings calls of too many Toronto dudes. Also men who come from the third world don't know how to act and fuck up the game further.

Hungry packs of third world men all wearing the same dress shirt chase blondes on King Street West with thirsty cat calls, the stuff that makes the game harder for the rest of us.

And before you get that spitting image of the Bangladeshi guy with the thick accent trying to wiggle his way into some warm blonde bosoms, I'd like to also give a special thanks to the Russians, Albanians, Serbs, and other people from seemingly 'civilized' Europe that make complete utter asses of themselves come Friday through Sunday quite well along with the other FOBs.

After 4 years of living on King Street West I can say I've seen most of it and the game writes itself.

I still maintain if you're making good coin in Toronto (at least $80,000/year), and have a little condo on major subway artery, and are in half decent shape, you will get laid. You just have to work...quite harder, for perhaps a little less.

[Basement Dweller]

I'm quite amazed by this thread and the overwhelming input about Toronto=hellhole for single men.

It also seems like Toronto is ground zero of feminism and also the birthplace of the PUA movement with Mystery and Johnny Soporno who are both Canadians. A lot of the main players in the manosphere are Canadian like Sandman and Luimarco...

It seems Canadian men have more skin in the game as far as general female cuntery is concerned.

[Moma]

(02-18-2015 05:42 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

It's not just the girls. The men there the cause of so much of the female behaviour.

Thirst and posturing are the daily matings calls of too many Toronto dudes. Also men who come from the third world don't know how to act and fuck up the game further.

Hungry packs of third world men all wearing the same dress shirt chase blondes on King Street West with thirsty cat calls, the stuff that makes the game harder for the rest of us.

And before you get that spitting image of the Bangladeshi guy with the thick accent trying to wiggle his way into some warm blonde bosoms, I'd like to also give a special thanks to the Russians, Albanians, Serbs, and other people from seemingly 'civilized' Europe that make complete utter asses of themselves come Friday through Sunday quite well along with the other FOBs.

After 4 years of living on King Street West I can say I've seen most of it and the game writes itself.

I still maintain if you're making good coin in Toronto (at least $80,000/year), and have a little condo on major subway artery, and are in half decent shape, you will get laid. You just have to work...quite harder, for perhaps a little less.

Djemba is absolutely on point. I mentioned this a long time ago about the men fcuking up the mix. I need to find the post on it.

Beta men in Toronto are the number one cause why the lizards are so out of control. Men are the dominant species. We decide the laws of the land. We are physically stronger etc etc. A lizard can NOT tell a man what to do. A man decides the laws and ENFORCES the laws.

For those who travel, one can see in countries when men decide the laws and cultural norms.

I've been to a few different countries and I observe female interactions. For instance, I've been to Nigeria quite a few times and anyone who knows Nigerian lizards knows that they are hard as nails. If one thinks they are pushovers, it's a sad mistake to make. However, as hard as they are, men are harder. In Nigeria, if a lizard gets too out of hand, a man will throw her out LITERALLY. Nigerian society supports this. This means you cannot go to police and start filing false claims. This is not abuse, I've observed it with a Western eye and it makes total sense. Of course you will have those who go too far and abuse that right but you will never have absolute conformity in any country you go to.

Because a Nigerian lizard has an awareness of this, she is actually less confrontational than a man even though she has much more fire in her belly than a 'defiant' Western lizard.
Conversing with an authentic Nigerian lizard is actually easier than with a fluffy headed Western lizard (the poisoned types). I had a conversation maybe a month ago with a Nigerian lizard about a man's role in raising his child vs a woman's input. Not used to regular convos with Naija lizards about domestic duties, I was mentally braced for a 'It's a woman's right, she carried the child for 9 months in belly rah rah'. However, she totally concurred with me and I felt astonished for a second until I mentally remembered who I was talking with.

I use Nigeria as an example but I'm sure you lot who have travelled to places like Russia/Ukraine can understand. Real men don't take no shyt and to be very frank, lizards actually prefer that.
Lizards are hardwired to like real men who want food to be cooked and the lizards to minimalise the emotional chatter.
This is why in beta cities like Toronto, every winter, these lizards book these all inclusive deals to Cuba, Jamaica and DR and get fcuked silly by the same men that they claim to loathe.
Tons of them marry guys from Cuba/Jamaica/Nigeria/Ghana daily, weekly.

I went to a wedding with a white lizard friend of mine (platonic) and her friend was getting married to a Jamaican dude after knowing him for only a few months! This Jamaican dude was trying to fondle my friend at the wedding reception during a song by Beres Hammond "What one dance will do"
She looked at me and I shrugged and just helped myself to another plate of rice and peas.

Bottom line is Toronto..

Why would straight pussy want man pussy?

Fix up, lads.

[DjembaDjemba]

... the asexual hipster men...

A woman's best friend.

[rishboy77]

(02-18-2015 05:42 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

I still maintain if you're making good coin in Toronto (at least $80,000/year), and have a little condo on major subway artery, and are in half decent shape, you will get laid. You just have to work...quite harder, for perhaps a little less.

Completely true and the guys that get the most action... are usually are in shape.
Being physically fit trumps the money card.

Another thing I have noticed considering the diversity of Toronto is the surprisingly low number of interracial relationships I see even in the downtown core compared to other places like NY, Cali, etc
That tells you how open minded the women are here.

[DjembaDjemba]

I find that surprising since when I lived in Toronto I noticed lots of interracial relationships. I dated (not just fucked, but dated) a Pakistani Muslim, Korean, and Guyanese girls. That's one thing I give Canadian cities over American ones. It is that interracial couples are way more common here. In fact they're so common no one seems to care, or at least are conditioned to pretend not to. Every time I'd bring one of my girls over stateside (usually buffalo, detroit metro, or ny) I'd get way more people turning their heads. Especially if the girl is white. Both whites and blacks stare, Latinos didn't seem to give a shit.

As for looks, being fit in Toronto does trump most other factors. Even being slightly chubby could be a hindrance of you're a man who's not rich or have weak game.

In respect to game however, women in Toronto are more blunted by its effects. If you want pussy there you have to come natural. If they sense the slightest discrepancy or a routine, you're toast!

[Rang off the Pipe]

I know this topic is about Toronto, but some of the previous pages are a good read for anyone gaming in Canada outside of Toronto (except Québec and perhaps the Maritimes). They're somewhat of a good indicator of what to expect in terms of behavior I think.

[Travesty]

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[Pokerbaby]

[quote] (02-17-2015 06:23 PM)Moma Wrote:  

[quote='Travesty444' pid='959695' dateline='1424214786']
And to reiterate, Canada is nice for poon, it's only Toronto that sucks ass. Once I hit up Burlington (only 45 mins drive), I was getting better shag prospects.[/quote]

If you liked Burlington, I highly recommend going the other direction to Whitby/ Oshawa area. The economy is kind of fucked up on the East End. It's the "Eastern Europe" of Toronto. lol. Ok nowhere near as good as the EE, but the economy is kind of rough once you get out of the GTA, either west to Kitchener, north to Barrie, or East to Whitby/Oshawa. I think it matters. The women are hot too. Way hotter than you would ever expect. If you go to the mall in Oshawa, I promise you at least 3 boners. Plus once you get out of the GTA the crowd is 90% white if you prefer that over a mixed crowd.

[kosko]

I would argue a normal car and a your own place anywhere would trump a good job and condo DT. I still see this 'made men' who have bank and are living the good life on paper slumming it with my in the swingers club. I have flipped that scene into a niche for me but all men start off there for the same reason if they want to admit it or not.. not enough sex they are getting. Simple.

Dudes with good jobs and Yorkville condos there and shit. I don't buy that having all that stuff set leads to easy pussy streams. If anything you just attract more basic and stuck up broads who play the worst games. To many of those broads who date those dudes who got it locked down with a good job on Bay Street or some shit fuck around with nomads like me on the side when they get a tingle.

Having a car and living at Dufferin and Sheppard or some shit opens you up to a pussy stream that stretches from Burlington to Oshawa. If you plan out your journey during good times you can be in pussy in less then a hour if you go to her place, or live close enough to a Spadina line station and make her take the train/bus down Vaughn or some shit and pick her up. Suburban women are only a pain in the ass to deal with if you don't drive or don't live right on a subway line. If you end is taken care of they are willing to link up since they are in the city so much anyway. She is more willing to spend the night if she knows you will rip her back home in the AM veverus her slogging it on GO/TTC for 2 hours back to Stouffville or some shit.

My homie from work lives in the redneck part of Etobicoke (south) and he just rips it down the QEW/Gardiner to his pussy. He can swoop a girl back his place in no time. His logistics for Toronto focused game would be shit. Far away from bars and the clubs and anything worthwhile but he is close enough to his school at Humber and can be DT in 15mins if there is no crazy traffic. The only thing with having a car in Toronto is keeping away leeches who want to bum/scam rides off you and the rape charges for parking, but for pulling tail it can work to your advantage in many cases.