[vinman]

This was a nice find.
Some of these are pretty sound, and I wish that I would've realized some of them when I was in my twenties.

http://elitedaily.com/life/the-20-mistak...-your-20s/

20. Working for money, not for building your dreams
Never do anything just because it’s convenient for you. Look to challenge yourself and build your own dream instead of building someone else’s. Even if it doesn’t exactly make sense now, create something with great value so you can cash out big. Always look to the future and never for immediate compensation. What are you going to do with those weekly wages anyways? Stop being so entitled and pretending like you deserve cash, prizes and vacations just yet. You will soon realize once you’ve made it that making money doesn’t make you happy. It’s the journey.

19. Thinking that this is the right time to fall in love
While all of your friends might be doing it, don’t fall into the trap of getting into a relationship. Sure it seems like the right thing to do, but your 20s are entirely too crucial for your personal growth for you to be focusing on fulfilling the wishes of another individual. Not only does it make you complacent with where you are in life, but it makes your boring. When your business is at stake and your future is resting on your shoulders, the last thing you need is to be bogged down by an insecure lover rushing you home. Get out there, meet new people, test the limits and have fun. It will take you to the places you’ve dreamed of going.

16. Not caring because you only live once — that is for fools
We all are guilty of irrational decision-making in our 20s. Fast people and fast times with money in your pocket always lead to over-extending yourself. A life of partying, heavy drugs and pretty much having that YOLO attitude will leave you flat on your ass. Get focused and lock into what you’re supposed to be doing. If you don’t know what that is, then you better figure it out ASAP.

And so on. Uncle Roosh was right when he predicted the Manosphere would blow up in the mainstream in 2013.

[sugafree]

(05-31-2013 11:27 PM)vinman Wrote:  

This was a nice find.
Some of these are pretty sound, and I wish that I would've realized some of them when I was in my twenties.

http://elitedaily.com/life/the-20-mistak...-your-20s/

20. Working for money, not for building your dreams
Never do anything just because it’s convenient for you. Look to challenge yourself and build your own dream instead of building someone else’s. Even if it doesn’t exactly make sense now, create something with great value so you can cash out big. Always look to the future and never for immediate compensation. What are you going to do with those weekly wages anyways? Stop being so entitled and pretending like you deserve cash, prizes and vacations just yet. You will soon realize once you’ve made it that making money doesn’t make you happy. It’s the journey.

19. Thinking that this is the right time to fall in love
While all of your friends might be doing it, don’t fall into the trap of getting into a relationship. Sure it seems like the right thing to do, but your 20s are entirely too crucial for your personal growth for you to be focusing on fulfilling the wishes of another individual. Not only does it make you complacent with where you are in life, but it makes your boring. When your business is at stake and your future is resting on your shoulders, the last thing you need is to be bogged down by an insecure lover rushing you home. Get out there, meet new people, test the limits and have fun. It will take you to the places you’ve dreamed of going.

16. Not caring because you only live once — that is for fools
We all are guilty of irrational decision-making in our 20s. Fast people and fast times with money in your pocket always lead to over-extending yourself. A life of partying, heavy drugs and pretty much having that YOLO attitude will leave you flat on your ass. Get focused and lock into what you’re supposed to be doing. If you don’t know what that is, then you better figure it out ASAP.

And so on. Uncle Roosh was right when he predicted the Manosphere would blow up in the mainstream in 2013.

From personal experience I can say everything said above is dead on!

[AngelOfFire]

The problem I have with those kinds of lists is that it is designed for one thing:

The fantasy of getting the girls of your dreams.

Honestly, do you think that living THAT life will get you that girl?
Why not just relax and do the stuff you just want to do? Fuck getting the "chasing your dream" thing.
Why did they put in every picture by every item a hot girl?
The hot girls are only reserved for the absolute winners. Only a very few guys who play actually win.
Don't play !!

[RichieP]

Maybe your 20's are FOR making some of those mistakes. I personally think you need to work for at least a while to really deeply realise in your bones what it involves and why running/owning your own business/assets is better.

And I had to get into a crappy relationship for a couple of years to give me the leverage to say NOPE, NEVER AGAIN. Reading an article wouldn't have convinced me.

You can't take shortcuts to wisdom. If you want to compare your life to an early-stage startup (and there are parallels!), then maybe your 20's are for making 'little bets' and failing as quickly and cheaply as possible to pull out the lessons and experience.

Although I do think advice from wise and intelligent older guys is useful...take Kareem's advice to his younger 30 yr old self for example... but that piece reads like it was written by somone IN their twenties, haha.

[Jbk]

I enjoyed this share, thanks.

[Idlenations]

Whilst a man learns from his own mistakes, a wise man learns from others.

[tiggaling]

Jesus... escorts? really?

[Roadrunner]

The one about anal was golden

[ElJefe]

This article is a re-hash of time-tested principles which are no secret, but are reiterated to us often.

Work hard, relax when the job is done.
Delay instant gratification.
Live frugally, don't be focused on material things, save 1 dollar for every 10 you spend.
Focus on the body and mind
Be honest, principled and forthright
Be a good listener and a devoted friend

Basically everything our civic religion tells us to. Still, it goods to be reminded!

[Kickb]

I can't wait to buy these. I'll probably buy the Soda Stream first and then the Dre Beatbox.

[anamericaninbangkok]

Never get serious with a girl who doesn't give head.

[Jeans]

Apart from some good points about friends and family,and not knocking any bitches up, the message here was basically, "be a shut-in workaholic that eschews pursuing girls and honing game in favor of banging escorts; oh yeah, and nevermind about hitting the gym or staying in shape."

Another problem here is that this list very much promotes a "work hard and play by the rules and you can be anything you want" which is of course total horseshit. not everyone can be mark cuban, or even a fraction of mark cuban, regardless of how hard they work. most people don't have any really good ideas or dreams worth pursuing; for a lot of people, much better advice would be, "find a job stable enough to rent yourself a studio in the city. perform that job as mediocrely as you can without getting fired. spend the rest of your time practicing game, working out, and pursuing interesting hobbies." Those who actually are great, they'll be fine figuring it out for themselves in any case.

[pegador]

(06-01-2013 05:54 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  

Jesus... escorts? really?

Actually this makes sense if you think about it (the escorts and falling in love too early bit). Think about how much of our time and money are spent doing things to get women of spread their legs for us. We learn game, study and work our asses off to get high-paying jobs so that we have money to spend on things we probably don't even need, but do to garner female attention.

If we did the above to enrich ourselves, that would be different. But let's be honest, most of us initially improve ourselves to make us more attractive to women in the hope that they'll have sex with us. When it does happen, the women act as if THEY are doing us a favor by having sex with us, as if they are some prize and we have made ourselves worthy by improving ourselves. You catch my drift.

I know many guys who were in miserable long-term relationships or got married to women who were totally wrong for them simply for the sex, even though it was lacklustre and the companionship soon got annoying. Some of these guys are divorced. I think if they had just had a lot more sex before getting hitchd, even if it was with escorts, they wouldn't be in this predicament. For some of them living through hell or getting divorced, the hourly rate of an escort is a lot cheaper than the one being charged by their divorce attorneys.

Something I've learned in Brazil is that many of the guys here, especially those from upper middle class and wealthier families, had some of their first sexual experiences with escorts or in massage parlors. It's like in the US guys may go to strip clubs and get lap dances occasionally, here in Brazil they take it a few steps further. Sex is freely available for those who want to pay for it, and it's not just with average looking chicks. Many of these women could be in Maxim or Playboy (many actually have been in the Brazilian edition of the later).

These guys though don't take shit from women, especially when it comes to sex. The women also know their place and that, at least sexually, they're replaceable. The guys aren't so preoccupied with sex and can focus on other things, improving themselves FOR themselves. Many guys don't go to the gym to impress women, they do it so that they can be better at sports and because muscles, in one friend's words, make them "feel like a real man and not a little girl." Of course the benefits are that they still get plenty of hot women (not escorts) because they have been improving themselves, which has given them a high degree of confidence. At the same time, when they find a girl they click with who is good for the long-term, they go for her. However, the decision is not based on totally on sex because most of these girls pale in comparison the experiences they've had in the massage parlors and the like. Unfortunately I've seen for many guys, especially in the US, they really are in relationships just for the sex, which I think can make things more difficult for them in the future when there are not other compatibilities. Why is the divorce rate so high?

I'm not saying that we should all run out and start banging escorts...if you have game, status, and appear to have some self-worth, you shouldn't need to. Besides, an escort can't be considered a conquest, which is fun in and of itself. However just knowing that sex with hot women if you really want it is available probably should take the pressure off a lot of guys who are wastefully spending time and resources trying to save a relationship because they feel that they won't be able to get sex if they let go.

From this perspective, the guy who wrote "20 mistakes you Don't want in your 20's" makes a lot of sense in my opinion.

It's a cool link...thanks for posting.

[Zoso]

(06-01-2013 08:05 PM)pegador Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 05:54 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  

Jesus... escorts? really?

Actually this makes sense if you think about it (the escorts and falling in love too early bit). Think about how much of our time and money are spent doing things to get women of spread their legs for us. We learn game, study and work our asses off to get high-paying jobs so that we have money to spend on things we probably don't even need, but do to garner female attention.

If we did the above to enrich ourselves, that would be different. But let's be honest, most of us initially improve ourselves to make us more attractive to women in the hope that they'll have sex with us. When it does happen, the women act as if THEY are doing us a favor by having sex with us, as if they are some prize and we have made ourselves worthy by improving ourselves. You catch my drift.

I know many guys who were in miserable long-term relationships or got married to women who were totally wrong for them simply for the sex, even though it was lacklustre and the companionship soon got annoying. Some of these guys are divorced. I think if they had just had a lot more sex before getting hitchd, even if it was with escorts, they wouldn't be in this predicament. For some of them living through hell or getting divorced, the hourly rate of an escort is a lot cheaper than the one being charged by their divorce attorneys.

Something I've learned in Brazil is that many of the guys here, especially those from upper middle class and wealthier families, had some of their first sexual experiences with escorts or in massage parlors. It's like in the US guys may go to strip clubs and get lap dances occasionally, here in Brazil they take it a few steps further. Sex is freely available for those who want to pay for it, and it's not just with average looking chicks. Many of these women could be in Maxim or Playboy (many actually have been in the Brazilian edition of the later).

These guys though don't take shit from women, especially when it comes to sex. The women also know their place and that, at least sexually, they're replaceable. The guys aren't so preoccupied with sex and can focus on other things, improving themselves FOR themselves. Many guys don't go to the gym to impress women, they do it so that they can be better at sports and because muscles, in one friend's words, make them "feel like a real man and not a little girl." Of course the benefits are that they still get plenty of hot women (not escorts) because they have been improving themselves, which has given them a high degree of confidence. At the same time, when they find a girl they click with who is good for the long-term, they go for her. However, the decision is not based on totally on sex because most of these girls pale in comparison the experiences they've had in the massage parlors and the like. Unfortunately I've seen for many guys, especially in the US, they really are in relationships just for the sex, which I think can make things more difficult for them in the future when there are not other compatibilities. Why is the divorce rate so high?

I'm not saying that we should all run out and start banging escorts...if you have game, status, and appear to have some self-worth, you shouldn't need to. Besides, an escort can't be considered a conquest, which is fun in and of itself. However just knowing that sex with hot women if you really want it is available probably should take the pressure off a lot of guys who are wastefully spending time and resources trying to save a relationship because they feel that they won't be able to get sex if they let go.

From this perspective, the guy who wrote "20 mistakes you Don't want in your 20's" makes a lot of sense in my opinion.

It's a cool link...thanks for posting.

I understand what you have said and am agree totally.

I don't want to encourage P4P because forum rules don't allow it and I don't want get banned but, talking about myself, I am in favor of P4P as much as I am totally in favor of learning game and improving oneself. I have this thought about women in life in general.
With all respect for forum rules, I think that P4P is one way to put women in the place they correspond.

All you do to get -only- pussy is giving women power.

So I just use game if I can get something more than just pussy or a SNL.
Sex is pretty cheap in streets. And, a pro has the same vaule for me that those Tinder hoes or bar hoes. Why paying them for sex with my more valued things? It's just my point of view and it doesn't degrade the great value that game has for me, and all the respect for this forum (I will be thankful forever with RooshVforum lessons).

Also I think this could help to not lose the head allowing women dominate you by rationating sex (in a relationship or whatever). While you know that sex don't control you, you have the power and not women over you.

Never humiliate yourself to please a woman just so she can do you the favor of giving you a pussy. Sex is a cheap exchange coin if that's not a LTR.

[Spaniard in Germany]

(06-01-2013 05:54 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  

Jesus... escorts? really?

21. If you pay a prostitute you are sure you are going to get sex, do not go around in your twenties hoping other people will do things for you

That should be the number one in the list in my opinion. Tiggaling, did you live in Germany, or Spain? You guys are very disconnected from the reality. You all think that you can just "game" women whenever you want. It does not work like that.

Having sex in the second or third date is as expensive as paying a prostitute for half an hour, and you save money, effort and dignity. But you are not even sure if you are going to get sex anyway dating, and the sex can be as bad or worse than by prostitutes

A LTR has a horrible ratio of effort, time and dignity to sex acquired, even though the sex is more certain than in dating and the quality of sex is better. A LTR is like going to prostitutes every week of the year in terms of cost.

Marrying? Do not even get me started. Hahahaahahaaha

Roosh, make a sticky of this post, people need this wisdom, ayy

[ChefAllDay]

The only really important rule for your 20's is to not build debt. Everything else will fall in line.