[godfather dust]

I'm fairly interested in security. I'm working building houses right now but my back is aching and whatnot and I'm not trying to deal with any severe pain problems 20 years down the line.

I think I have some aptitude based on my former line of work, I'm also a big dude (6'3" 260 pounds, lift 3x a week) most wouldn't fuck with.

For example, recently I visited my cousin at a detox (psych ward he was coming off pain killers for a few days to a week at.) Within 5 minutes I had spotted 3 easily accessible weapons in his room, he wouldn't use them but the psychos might.

The mirror in the bathroom moved, I put a little pressure on it and it popped right out. Their were 2 fluorescent lights in the room, one on each side covered with plexiglass. One of them had a couple screws loose, I flexed it a bit and realized you could easily pull that shit off and get to the bulb. There was a metal panel on the ceiling, presumably covering electronics or some other danger. It was slightly ajar, I looked/felt at it for a second and saw that any simple lever would rip it right off.

I told the security there about it, they obviously had no interest in looking/reporting etc. Lazy bastards. Keep in mind this is a psych ward, schizophrenics bipolars junkies etc.

If this is entry level security quality I figure I could run a whole crew.

edit: Forgot to ask a question. What kind of jobs are out there in security? Possible to make a living?

[Peregrine]

There's plenty of different security jobs. From front desk at a condo to carrying an M4 on a nuclear security team, security is literally everywhere. If you've got size, brains, conscientiousness (most security guys don't give a shit), and can communicate well verbally and while writing reports, you'll do just fine. Shit, I'm not big by any definition, and I still got some pretty high profile gigs because I had good judgement (usually).

Depends on what your idea of a "living" is. You could be a mall cop for 18 to 22 bucks an hour where I live. If you can work your way up to managing security teams, that's when the salary and benefits start to get better.

If you're interested, next time you see someone working a job you want, ask them how they got it and if they're hiring. I used to hire security guards and was always looking for good guys (who had the proper license).

Also, a lot of security related questions are jurisdiction specific, but I can answer general ones I suppose.

[Cattle Rustler]

Also look into licensing. In Texas you need a license to be an unarmed or an armed security officer, they go by levels as well.

At some point they might ask for a peace office license or military experience, but that's for the cushier gigs.

[Suits]

It's a tiered world.

A huge chunk of security jobs involve an ugly uniform and simply existing. Breathing is encouraged, but having a pulse is entirely optional. In these roles, you'll get to work with a bunch of losers who lack identity, significance and IQ and got into the field because they thought it was cool. They were wrong.

Then there are better paying roles for which there is quite a lot of competition. You'll be competing against guys (and women) who in many case lack identity and significance, but have moderate IQ. Don't be surprised to discover inferiority complexes lurking somewhere below the surface (but not always).

If you find yourself into a security/enforcement role with actual responsibility and some level of intentionality, it will be an excellent opportunity to improve your social skills. You'll effect more positive outcomes by learning how to project the right tone of voice than from being big and scary. In my experience, there's not that much of a difference between how an effective security officer and a successful CEO communicates with people. Being non-threatening, personable and friendly goes a long way in any sphere.

I worked for the campus safety organization at my university and significantly improved my ability to handle stressful situations and my people skills as a result. In fact, unless you're talking the club scene where drunk idiots are sure to make dumb choices from time to time, generally "size" is irrelevant in most of these roles, because the last thing the employer wants is their staff going hands-on instead of calling the police. They need level headed people who reduce their liability, not guys who put 6'3 on their resume.

You'll learn far more (about yourself and life and human nature) from first-aid crises than dealing with criminality. Administering CPR will leave a bigger impression on you than getting in a fight with some common thugs.

Peregrine is the real deal. I've met him and can confirm that he's had a lot of very legitimate experiences in this field, including experience well beyond that of your average mall cop. If you want genuine advice, I'd suggest you PM him.

[jipiro]

I know couple of guys making it pretty good in this business. ESPECIALLY your size. But they are private not some big corporation. The best things is to market yourself. Slowly but certainly with keeping a your job/side job.


From what I see, people love big blacked out chevy tahoe and things like that. You threath the client like the king, don't flirt with his wife. Miticulous. When you offer amazing service the words spread out fast.

Watch '' the shadow group '' if my memorie is good. Guys making $$$$$$

Pursue your dream!

(03-30-2017 01:04 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

I'm fairly interested in security. I'm working building houses right now but my back is aching and whatnot and I'm not trying to deal with any severe pain problems 20 years down the line.

I think I have some aptitude based on my former line of work, I'm also a big dude (6'3" 260 pounds, lift 3x a week) most wouldn't fuck with.

For example, recently I visited my cousin at a detox (psych ward he was coming off pain killers for a few days to a week at.) Within 5 minutes I had spotted 3 easily accessible weapons in his room, he wouldn't use them but the psychos might.

The mirror in the bathroom moved, I put a little pressure on it and it popped right out. Their were 2 fluorescent lights in the room, one on each side covered with plexiglass. One of them had a couple screws loose, I flexed it a bit and realized you could easily pull that shit off and get to the bulb. There was a metal panel on the ceiling, presumably covering electronics or some other danger. It was slightly ajar, I looked/felt at it for a second and saw that any simple lever would rip it right off.

I told the security there about it, they obviously had no interest in looking/reporting etc. Lazy bastards. Keep in mind this is a psych ward, schizophrenics bipolars junkies etc.

If this is entry level security quality I figure I could run a whole crew.

edit: Forgot to ask a question. What kind of jobs are out there in security? Possible to make a living?

[Peregrine]

Quote:

A huge chunk of security jobs involve an ugly uniform and simply existing. Breathing is encouraged, but having a pulse is entirely optional.

I kept bitching to friends during my stint in running ops at a security company: I'm paying above min wage for people who can stay awake, speak English, and not steal shit. I had to fire a guy who managed to fail all three in one shift.

(And when I confronted him with camera evidence of the third one, he pulled the Shaggy defense. At least it was funny.)

[qwertyuiop]

https://blackwaterprotection.com/employment/

[godfather dust]

I had an exchange with Peregrine via PM, very insightful answers he agreed to let me share here (with redactions for personal info.)

Godfather dust:
I have a couple questions:

1. I have a sealed criminal record. Will this pop in a background check? I doubt any of my previous bacgkround checks have been super in depth. My google is clean.

2. Are indeed.com snagajob and craigslist good places to look? I've always checked these for job posting.

3. How crippling is lack of military experience in this field?

4. Would restraint training help me get a job? I am good at hurting people but not stopping a violent person without harming them.

Peregrine
1) Good question, no idea. This is a question I'd put to the licensing body in your jurisdiction (anonymously, obviously).

2) Also jurisdiction dependent, but those are probably good places. Craigslist also, believe it or not. Check company websites of uniformed security guards and apply directly on their websites too, they always need people. Once you're in, you can start getting experience and then leverage that for better jobs (uniformed security sucks balls). I got my first job just applying directly on a company website, they called me back next day.

3) It helps, but it's not necessary. I worked with great guys that were military, but also great guys that never served.

4) I wouldn't bother taking any security restraint courses or whatever. Take up judo or BJJ. I've got BJJ and krav maga experience, and honestly BJJ was more useful.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Over in Australia the "hands on" jobs like hospital violent patient response teams and cash carry pay barely more than the "stand and watch" jobs. And if you think working construction is bad on your back, try holding down a drug addled lunatic for two hours (literally) because there was a multi-vehicle accident down the road and there are no doctors available to prescribe or administer sedatives.

If you're 6'3" and 260 then beware of jobs that require you to stand for long periods. That will do your knees in quickly.

Bouncing dickheads at clubs is not a smart career choice but has its perks. Your notch count is bound to jump but there's no ladder to climb there.

The reality is that you start at the bottom and you have less options at climbing upward than you would at McDonalds. I had a "peachy" gig that the vast majority of my fellow employees could only dream of. I was still doing shift work at close to minimum wage and would have been until I died. A LOT of old men gotta die before any spots open upstairs and those are barely better than the ones you move up from.

The only only way I would ever go back into security would be to start my own company. Depending on the location, security work is going to see a strong market surge in the decades ahead but unless you're at the head desk you're not going to see single extra dollar, since there's a steadily growing glut of useless fucks to stuff in uniforms and it will only ever pay minimum wage.

[Constitution45]

I would suggest going into the police or military. If you have a knack for it, then you would fly in those fields. Plus 3-5 years of experience would land you some very decent security management roles where you could be making up to £45-50K that is starting salary over in the U.K. I am sure it is the same or probably hire over in the United States. The point is by getting the real experience in these fields. You could make your business straight off the bat. Especially if you are more logical and want to get involved with information and intelligence.

[Leonard D Neubache]

^This

Even if you only join the police force with the strict intention of getting out after five years or so, your career prospects in the security industry will be considerable better than if you start off as a rank-and-file security uniform stuffer, where your prospects would be zero.

Understandably if you have a chequered past or you're a little over the hill then it might not be an option. If that's the case and you still want to get into that industry then I would suggest you pick a field in security where a small time player can build a business (mobile patrols for example). Join a security firm offering those positions, learn the ropes and pay special attention to the ins and outs of the business side. Study small business operation in your free time and then cut your ties and strike out on your own.

I knew a few guys that ran their own security business that was literally one guy. Themselves. They subcontracted themselves to larger firms when the need arose and the larger firms couldn't get any of their regulars to pick up the phone. For the larger firms it was simply the case that coming through for the client (reputation) was more important than getting a cut.

Those guys weren't millionaires but combined with some accounting voodoo they ended up doing half the work for about the same money.

[Peregrine]

Agree with the police/military recommendation. That said, the downside to police is it's harder to get into than security (especially with a criminal record) and the downside to military is the forced time commitment and possibility of seeing combat (assuming you're just doing it as a springboard and don't actually want to fight in a war).

[DarkTriad]

"There ain't no security in working security"

[godfather dust]

I checked craigslist and the closest job was $11.50 an hour. Another (armed security) was $16/hour. I'll have to dig in but I charge a lot more than that as it stands.

(Also if you require me to bring a firearm to work cool I'm all for that, $16 is quite low though.)

[Bluey]

(04-01-2017 09:02 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Over in Australia the "hands on" jobs like hospital violent patient response teams and cash carry pay barely more than the "stand and watch" jobs. And if you think working construction is bad on your back, try holding down a drug addled lunatic for two hours (literally) because there was a multi-vehicle accident down the road and there are no doctors available to prescribe or administer sedatives.

If you're 6'3" and 260 then beware of jobs that require you to stand for long periods. That will do your knees in quickly.

Bouncing dickheads at clubs is not a smart career choice but has its perks. Your notch count is bound to jump but there's no ladder to climb there.

The reality is that you start at the bottom and you have less options at climbing upward than you would at McDonalds. I had a "peachy" gig that the vast majority of my fellow employees could only dream of. I was still doing shift work at close to minimum wage and would have been until I died. A LOT of old men gotta die before any spots open upstairs and those are barely better than the ones you move up from.

The only only way I would ever go back into security would be to start my own company. Depending on the location, security work is going to see a strong market surge in the decades ahead but unless you're at the head desk you're not going to see single extra dollar, since there's a steadily growing glut of useless fucks to stuff in uniforms and it will only ever pay minimum wage.

This man knows what he is talking about. At the time I left it was getting flooded by useless indians who were a warm body in a uniform. Worked with a couple of good people, but jesus is it an industry that attracts the most useless fucks you are ever likely to encounter.

[Peregrine]

(04-03-2017 05:15 AM)Bluey Wrote:  

This man knows what he is talking about. At the time I left it was getting flooded by useless indians who were a warm body in a uniform. Worked with a couple of good people, but jesus is it an industry that attracts the most useless fucks you are ever likely to encounter.

This is why I decided against starting my own security company. Outside of certain niches, security is a low margin, volume business that forces you to employ and deal with idiots 24/7 (literally).

[Constitution45]

(04-02-2017 05:23 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

^This

Even if you only join the police force with the strict intention of getting out after five years or so, your career prospects in the security industry will be considerable better than if you start off as a rank-and-file security uniform stuffer, where your prospects would be zero.

Understandably if you have a chequered past or you're a little over the hill then it might not be an option. If that's the case and you still want to get into that industry then I would suggest you pick a field in security where a small time player can build a business (mobile patrols for example). Join a security firm offering those positions, learn the ropes and pay special attention to the ins and outs of the business side. Study small business operation in your free time and then cut your ties and strike out on your own.

I knew a few guys that ran their own security business that was literally one guy. Themselves. They subcontracted themselves to larger firms when the need arose and the larger firms couldn't get any of their regulars to pick up the phone. For the larger firms it was simply the case that coming through for the client (reputation) was more important than getting a cut.

Those guys weren't millionaires but combined with some accounting voodoo they ended up doing half the work for about the same money.

Your prospects would be in a different league. Police officers in the U.K are now leaving after several years, same for those who work in the other government security services. It all depends what you make of it though however. By joining the police, you can always enter as a rejoiner, in a different force or an agency.

Plus if you get the necessary qualifications on the side, such as fraud investigation, financial investigation etc, then you can be making a mint for banks like Barclays or the Far East.

Most officers don't do this, because they usually join the job for the security and by the time they have families and kids. They usually end up losing the passion to move up and the imagination to try something different. Of course having that tyre weighing down your neck just adds to this.

Also from a red pill perspective joining the police and military helps yourself to self develop. You will be faced in a lot of confrontational situations which will make any job in security or even running a security company seem like a walk in the park.

Yes, there is a lot of political correctness and bureaucracy; however this is heavily subsidised and just turns out be another hurdle which you have to simply jump over.

[Easy_C]

(04-02-2017 05:23 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

^This

Even if you only join the police force with the strict intention of getting out after five years or so, your career prospects in the security industry will be considerable better than if you start off as a rank-and-file security uniform stuffer, where your prospects would be zero.

Understandably if you have a chequered past or you're a little over the hill then it might not be an option. If that's the case and you still want to get into that industry then I would suggest you pick a field in security where a small time player can build a business (mobile patrols for example). Join a security firm offering those positions, learn the ropes and pay special attention to the ins and outs of the business side. Study small business operation in your free time and then cut your ties and strike out on your own.

I knew a few guys that ran their own security business that was literally one guy. Themselves. They subcontracted themselves to larger firms when the need arose and the larger firms couldn't get any of their regulars to pick up the phone. For the larger firms it was simply the case that coming through for the client (reputation) was more important than getting a cut.

Those guys weren't millionaires but combined with some accounting voodoo they ended up doing half the work for about the same money.

What about military police? I'm ex military myself so I know that being a vet helps but would ex-MP be considered a double whammy with LE and military experience?

[Easy_C]

(04-03-2017 11:06 AM)Peregrine Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 05:15 AM)Bluey Wrote:  

This man knows what he is talking about. At the time I left it was getting flooded by useless indians who were a warm body in a uniform. Worked with a couple of good people, but jesus is it an industry that attracts the most useless fucks you are ever likely to encounter.

This is why I decided against starting my own security company. Outside of certain niches, security is a low margin, volume business that forces you to employ and deal with idiots 24/7 (literally).

Any info on what those niches are?

[Peregrine]

(04-04-2017 02:36 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 11:06 AM)Peregrine Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 05:15 AM)Bluey Wrote:  

This man knows what he is talking about. At the time I left it was getting flooded by useless indians who were a warm body in a uniform. Worked with a couple of good people, but jesus is it an industry that attracts the most useless fucks you are ever likely to encounter.

This is why I decided against starting my own security company. Outside of certain niches, security is a low margin, volume business that forces you to employ and deal with idiots 24/7 (literally).

Any info on what those niches are?

The only one I have experience with is close protection.

[Easy_C]

Makes sense. There's both a higher paying client and much less room for idiots.

[CallSignBigRed]

I am going to write this again do not join the military in hopes of nabbing a security contract. If you are not in the game now, its a waste of time. The big boy contracts such as PSD with constellis , SOC, Garda and Aegis are main stream DOS/DOD contracts who have the middle east. Do a google search for WPS 2.0 budget and you will see who won what and how much, I believe Sallyport is number 1 on the list but I hear awful shit about the company. I believe PSD is paying anywhere right now 375-415. Static is average 60-80k

Garda world is trying to recruit static in Afghanistan for like 60-70k a year which is fucking stupid. You can make 70k doing PSD in Washington DC no joke, peddling stupid fucks around Arlington. They called me up last month to ask me if I wanted to run a team of 5 in Afghanistan doing PSD for fucking 85k....years ago this shit would be 200k and up.

Unless you have the connections and timing I seriously wouldn't even have a second thought about this world. Plus they lowered the requirements so much that they're people there that really don't belong.

Oh by the way you will be treated like a second class citizen and liability is high af.

[Robert High Hawk]

(06-16-2017 07:20 AM)CallSignBigRed Wrote:  

I am going to write this again do not join the military in hopes of nabbing a security contract. If you are not in the game now, its a waste of time. The big boy contracts such as PSD with constellis , SOC, Garda and Aegis are main stream DOS/DOD contracts who have the middle east. Do a google search for WPS 2.0 budget and you will see who won what and how much, I believe Sallyport is number 1 on the list but I hear awful shit about the company. I believe PSD is paying anywhere right now 375-415. Static is average 60-80k

Garda world is trying to recruit static in Afghanistan for like 60-70k a year which is fucking stupid. You can make 70k doing PSD in Washington DC no joke, peddling stupid fucks around Arlington. They called me up last month to ask me if I wanted to run a team of 5 in Afghanistan doing PSD for fucking 85k....years ago this shit would be 200k and up.

Unless you have the connections and timing I seriously wouldn't even have a second thought about this world. Plus they lowered the requirements so much that they're people there that really don't belong.

Oh by the way you will be treated like a second class citizen and liability is high af.

Sadly this is true. Unless you have some niche skill or special employment opportunity, the good ol' days of contracting are gone. Sure you CAN make money, however, you are totally at the mercy of the ebb and flow of the war and contracts being awarded or underbidded.

It's still worth looking into but here are some things to consider:

1. Time Lost
You may be in some crappy location where you have zero dating/female/professional opportunities. Some guys use the time very well, read a lot, get into sick SICK shape, or make good friends. But that time, up to a year or more, is simply wiped out from your life.

2. Savings
If you are not an idiot, even a not so good salary contracting in some shithole can be good because you can save 100% of it. No expenses at all. Factor that into your financial calculations as well.

3. Career
Unless you crack into management, these part time stints are going to be your only means of getting by year after year. There are MANY people already in this industry with lot of experience and willingness to lead this life. Brits, Kiwis, Ozzies, South Africans, all who are driving the price down and increasing competition.

[Jones]

Suits hit it right on. Couple other comments:

Every girl I've worked with either smoked or was lesbian. A couple were attractive and had boyfriends, but carpet munched on the side or regularly. One lesbian was known to have to the magic touch to bring straight girls to the gay side. A girl showed up to the job, engaged to a guy she had been with for years. A few months later after hanging out the with the Magic Dykeness, goodbye future-husband, hello Pussyland.

Most guys fall into 2 categories, a) in shape, hit up the gym, police officer potential. b) obese, simple minded, video-game addicted, security lifers. Most of the first category have girlfriends/wives and are decent guys.

Customer service is most of the job. Watching what you say around clients, keeping level headed, and (if working night-shifts) staying awake are all key. I'm bored as hell and feel like a piece of furniture, so I likely won't be working this for too much longer. It's not for everyone, but some guys love it.

[Hypno]

(04-01-2017 06:32 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

I had an exchange with Peregrine via PM, very insightful answers he agreed to let me share here (with redactions for personal info.)

Godfather dust:
I have a couple questions:

1. I have a sealed criminal record. Will this pop in a background check? I doubt any of my previous bacgkround checks have been super in depth. My google is clean.


Peregrine

A sealed record will pop but one needs a judge's order to see it.

An expunged record is less likely to pop, but select folks like law enforcement may be able to read it unless its also sealed.

If its critical, you might be able to get the offense expunged, which hides the fact of the record. This is a formal process with the government. Ask a criminal defense lawyer what your chance are of getting it expunged and what he would charge. Of course, with modern databases the fact of the conviction might be on too many private computers now.