[brokinetic]

Hey guys,
I am kinda in a dilemma right now. Been days gaming for the past 7 to 8 months. Have day gamed in a few countries and gotten fair amount of numbers. Recently, I have learned to better understand cue's of interest from girls and I rarely number close unless I get strong investment from the girl.

So far no problem. My numbers started replying me and I was getting better responses from my NBC's. I saw this improvement during my day game jaunt in Eastern europe. Had a couple of dates and 2 make outs during my vacation, no lays but was happy with my improvement(around 750 sets so far, a beginner and only daygame).

Here is the deal, I live in France and since coming back, I know my game has improved. Calmness,creativity, escalation, leading,plowing. All has gone up a level. I can engage a girl better compared to before. I number closed a couple of girls in the last 2 weeks. All flaked. Not only that, I realized that French girls flak more than any other girl. I did well in Lithuania. Belgrade was horrible for me, but I still managed to get instant dates and numbers(which only some flaked). I don't have looks advantage. I am dark skinned minority living in France for the past 7 years. Some people would say that I am French and you can see more interracial couples in France more than any other country. So I am not gonna put my ethnicity to blame here.

I am confused and wondering.

1) Is this just a hard period and upsets that every day gamers go through?
2) Is there any other french day gamers who can share their experience(I game in Lyon btw, this is a typical french city with lots of local french people)?
3)Or is this just the consequences from all the crimes and terrorisms in France which have lead to difficulty in winning over the trust of a stranger? Like a social collapse.

Dalaran 1991 posted some time ago about how hard gaming in France can be. Yes,you need very tight game here. I know that abundance mentality is vital. But the flakiness I am getting here is absurd(3/20). I rather a girl say to me that she doesn't like me or I look like a piece of shit rather than flaking later.

Nonetheless, I don't see any other guys daygaming in Lyon anymore. The local lair is basically dead. I guess they have all given up after getting very bad results. I seriously think that no 3 is the real reason. Or do the girls here get too much attention elsewhere which makes day game hard.

[Dalaran1991]

(10-20-2016 04:49 PM)brokinetic Wrote:  

Hey guys,
I am kinda in a dilemma right now. Been days gaming for the past 7 to 8 months. Have day gamed in a few countries and gotten fair amount of numbers. Recently, I have learned to better understand cue's of interest from girls and I rarely number close unless I get strong investment from the girl.

So far no problem. My numbers started replying me and I was getting better responses from my NBC's. I saw this improvement during my day game jaunt in Eastern europe. Had a couple of dates and 2 make outs during my vacation, no lays but was happy with my improvement(around 750 sets so far, a beginner and only daygame).

Here is the deal, I live in France and since coming back, I know my game has improved. Calmness,creativity, escalation, leading,plowing. All has gone up a level. I can engage a girl better compared to before. I number closed a couple of girls in the last 2 weeks. All flaked. Not only that, I realized that French girls flak more than any other girl. I did well in Lithuania. Belgrade was horrible for me, but I still managed to get instant dates and numbers(which only some flaked). I don't have looks advantage. I am dark skinned minority living in France for the past 7 years. Some people would say that I am French and you can see more interracial couples in France more than any other country. So I am not gonna put my ethnicity to blame here.

I am confused and wondering.

1) Is this just a hard period and upsets that every day gamers go through?
2) Is there any other french day gamers who can share their experience(I game in Lyon btw, this is a typical french city with lots of local french people)?
3)Or is this just the consequences from all the crimes and terrorisms in France which have lead to difficulty in winning over the trust of a stranger? Like a social collapse.

Dalaran 1991 posted some time ago about how hard gaming in France can be. Yes,you need very tight game here. I know that abundance mentality is vital. But the flakiness I am getting here is absurd(3/20). I rather a girl say to me that she doesn't like me or I look like a piece of shit rather than flaking later.

Nonetheless, I don't see any other guys daygaming in Lyon anymore. The local lair is basically dead. I guess they have all given up after getting very bad results. I seriously think that no 3 is the real reason. Or do the girls here get too much attention elsewhere which makes day game hard.

Bienvenue au jeux mon frere!

Funny, I wouldnt say day game in France is hard, but is certainly different. I would say its pretty rewarding.

I would really recommend you revisit my thread on France. Other French posters have given gold advice here.

As per your problems:

-First, throw anything about race out of the window. I'm Asian, and I know another RVF dark skin who came here and swoop a ONS from day game in the Louvre. So no excuses. Actually being minority in France is much much better than in any other western countries.

-Get used to flaking. US girls merely adopted flaking, French girls were born in it, molded by it. The French are champions in many arts, but they took the art of flaking to perfection, and this applies to both guys and girls.

Adopt the mindset that you can not be flaked on. You are in Lyon, so still a vibrant city. When girls are late I just take my time scouting out the neighborhood, read a book in a café terrasse, chatting up people, or go window shopping. Speaking of which:

-Get your style game in order. I can not stress this enough. I have not perfected gaming in France but I'm pretty damn well sure unless you are in a niche market you will not get laid if you dont dress well. For day game it is much more important because you dont want to be one of the "relou" guys. Dress in a smart casual way with some elegance, as if you just got out of a date in the Louvre (which is in fact what you would be doing if you are day gaming)

Zara gives a good compromise between style and money.

-Careful with being too direct and/or bravado. French girls still respond well to game, but their special brand of feminism render them somewhat condescending toward the bad boy attitude. You must still be an alpha bad boy while being funny and soft-spoken.

-I've discussed gaming here with other RVF and we come to the conclusions that beta guys get laid in Paris, quite often, and this is through social circle game. All the hype about French drama and intrigue are not false. You need to be somehow "vetted". Good thing is, its so easy to combine day game with social circle game in France. Join some organisation, social activities or become a regular at a cafe where you are vetted, etc.

-Girls here are fond of PDA, you should escalate physically more to screen out girls and move things faster.

-Do actually know some of the cultural stuff to talk about with them. I dont think the whole terrorism thing affect day game much. As far as they are concerned French chicks just care about the latest fashion week or if Karine Ferri won Danse avec les stars. You are expected to know this "chick" stuff if you are to day game. They dont give two fucks about how many people died.


Post your approach and game style here in details so we can better help you.

Bon courage,

[brokinetic]

(10-21-2016 02:18 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 04:49 PM)brokinetic Wrote:  

Hey guys,
I am kinda in a dilemma right now. Been days gaming for the past 7 to 8 months. Have day gamed in a few countries and gotten fair amount of numbers. Recently, I have learned to better understand cue's of interest from girls and I rarely number close unless I get strong investment from the girl.

So far no problem. My numbers started replying me and I was getting better responses from my NBC's. I saw this improvement during my day game jaunt in Eastern europe. Had a couple of dates and 2 make outs during my vacation, no lays but was happy with my improvement(around 750 sets so far, a beginner and only daygame).

Here is the deal, I live in France and since coming back, I know my game has improved. Calmness,creativity, escalation, leading,plowing. All has gone up a level. I can engage a girl better compared to before. I number closed a couple of girls in the last 2 weeks. All flaked. Not only that, I realized that French girls flak more than any other girl. I did well in Lithuania. Belgrade was horrible for me, but I still managed to get instant dates and numbers(which only some flaked). I don't have looks advantage. I am dark skinned minority living in France for the past 7 years. Some people would say that I am French and you can see more interracial couples in France more than any other country. So I am not gonna put my ethnicity to blame here.

I am confused and wondering.

1) Is this just a hard period and upsets that every day gamers go through?
2) Is there any other french day gamers who can share their experience(I game in Lyon btw, this is a typical french city with lots of local french people)?
3)Or is this just the consequences from all the crimes and terrorisms in France which have lead to difficulty in winning over the trust of a stranger? Like a social collapse.

Dalaran 1991 posted some time ago about how hard gaming in France can be. Yes,you need very tight game here. I know that abundance mentality is vital. But the flakiness I am getting here is absurd(3/20). I rather a girl say to me that she doesn't like me or I look like a piece of shit rather than flaking later.

Nonetheless, I don't see any other guys daygaming in Lyon anymore. The local lair is basically dead. I guess they have all given up after getting very bad results. I seriously think that no 3 is the real reason. Or do the girls here get too much attention elsewhere which makes day game hard.

Bienvenue au jeux mon frere!

Funny, I wouldnt say day game in France is hard, but is certainly different. I would say its pretty rewarding.

I would really recommend you revisit my thread on France. Other French posters have given gold advice here.

As per your problems:

-First, throw anything about race out of the window. I'm Asian, and I know another RVF dark skin who came here and swoop a ONS from day game in the Louvre. So no excuses. Actually being minority in France is much much better than in any other western countries.

-Get used to flaking. US girls merely adopted flaking, French girls were born in it, molded by it. The French are champions in many arts, but they took the art of flaking to perfection, and this applies to both guys and girls.

Adopt the mindset that you can not be flaked on. You are in Lyon, so still a vibrant city. When girls are late I just take my time scouting out the neighborhood, read a book in a café terrasse, chatting up people, or go window shopping. Speaking of which:

-Get your style game in order. I can not stress this enough. I have not perfected gaming in France but I'm pretty damn well sure unless you are in a niche market you will not get laid if you dont dress well. For day game it is much more important because you dont want to be one of the "relou" guys. Dress in a smart casual way with some elegance, as if you just got out of a date in the Louvre (which is in fact what you would be doing if you are day gaming)

Zara gives a good compromise between style and money.

-Careful with being too direct and/or bravado. French girls still respond well to game, but their special brand of feminism render them somewhat condescending toward the bad boy attitude. You must still be an alpha bad boy while being funny and soft-spoken.

-I've discussed gaming here with other RVF and we come to the conclusions that beta guys get laid in Paris, quite often, and this is through social circle game. All the hype about French drama and intrigue are not false. You need to be somehow "vetted". Good thing is, its so easy to combine day game with social circle game in France. Join some organisation, social activities or become a regular at a cafe where you are vetted, etc.

-Girls here are fond of PDA, you should escalate physically more to screen out girls and move things faster.

-Do actually know some of the cultural stuff to talk about with them. I dont think the whole terrorism thing affect day game much. As far as they are concerned French chicks just care about the latest fashion week or if Karine Ferri won Danse avec les stars. You are expected to know this "chick" stuff if you are to day game. They dont give two fucks about how many people died.


Post your approach and game style here in details so we can better help you.

Bon courage,

Thanks for the reply,

[b]For style[/b]: I think I got it tuned up. I dress something like in the link below but I go with a brown leather jacket, bright t-shirt, and black boots.
http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=ht...3&biw=1366

For game

I have tried Roosh's indirect method. Found out that it doesn't suit my personality. Hence, I tried Krauser's LDM. It worked better for me. I added DHV's with this LDM. My DHV's:
1) My creativity: I can come up with a breezy fictional story quite easily. For example:
"Russian spy- I would say that the way she dresses/walks reminds me of a russian spy who has come all the way to France to save a geeky proffessor, destroy the whole underground mafia with her brute force and take all the money and escape"

I have other examples too, such as outer space journey, vacation to an isolated island, and so on. Basically, I engage in role play to create a fun flirty vibe. Girls I approached have told me that I am creative person and asked if I am a writer. I realized that this is one of my strengths and have started using it more which has helped in my initial conversation starter.

Generally, I tend to do well with girls who are into arts, music, business and engineering(i did engineering too anyway). While I repel of medical, finance and law students. I think the cretive aspects plays a part in this.

2) Travels: I have traveled and visited 20 countries in Europe. I can easily talk about other cultures. I use this quite often telling my experiences visiting other countries, the first time I traveled alone, volunteering and so on.

3) Language : I speak 4 languanges fluently, hence I use it as a DHV. Works amazingly well with girls who are into arts and literature.

4) body language: I can say that by body language is pretty good. I don't move unneccesaryly. I can make good eye contact and pass on that sexual vibe quite easily. My voice is deep and calm.No fidgeting and I stopped folding my hands.

5) Escalation: I do verbal and physical. If she forgets my name or some details about me that I told her, then I would say playfully" I started liking you a bit, but you just broke my heart". I do subtle hair touching, hold her hand after handshake and touch her fingers by looking at her rings and palm reading.

So based on my analysis,(I can be wrong) technically, I direct game. By being direct, I don't mean generic overtly sexual openers, I am good at observing and can immediately spot some authentic things I like about the girl. Her fancy jeweleries, gangster like jacket, shiny shoes, and so on.

Problems :

1) I have learned to better spot differnet genuine interest and attention seeking girls, and am still learning. A girl asking question about me, giving long replies to my questions,giving me compliance, looking at me while I am talking. I take these all as interest. However, I tend to fail at certain shit test:
(a). If a girls says to me that 'I have a bf". I would ignore her or say that "2 is better than 1" or "They call me the bf replacer". No problem with this. However, if she says,"My bf is this or that". I tend to assume that the girl really has bf as she is stating it out involuntarily. Do correct me if I am wrong.

(b) " I don't know you enough" shit test. French girls are experts as this. I have tried ignoring this and continued rambling then trying for the close again. Never works. And I am not talking about 3-5 minutes sets. I am talking about 15-20 minutes sets.

For some reason, girls shit test me like hell or shows no signs of interest(one word reply , no questions asked, looking away). Don't know why. Sometimes I fail, sometimes I get it right. But if I fail even once, she becomes completely uninterested after that. Big headache for me.

(2) As girls tend to flake a lot, I generally push for the instant date nowdays. i will be honest. I have done around 700 sets, no lays so far. 3 make outs(nearly missed out on SDL from these make outs as my game is pretty much below average ), around 30- 40 NBC(Nowdays i rarely ask for numbers unless I see a few signs of interest, but even these flak a lot). I have had 10 dates so far, and the best part or the worst part is that, only 2 of my NBC have come out for dates, the rest were i-dates. This is mostly because of weak text game. But majority of the girl don't even reply to my first text. So can't do much about that.

My text initation : Fun and light, I try to relate to the info she gave to me about her, or something that happened during the initial approach. Based on LDM.

(3) I tend to be very picky with my sets. I do around 10 approaches per session and make sure that they are at least 7's or 8s for me. I am thinking of lowering my expectations but I tend not to be enthuasistic when I approach like that.

(4) Sometimes i feel that I tend to overgame girls.

(5) Knowledge on "chick" stuffs aren't my strong point. It's something I should improve.


Sorry to say this, I not limiting my believe by telling that race plays a role. But it really does, at least for me. Out of those two i-dates I had, one of the girl told me she feels akward when I touch her as she had been harrased during her trip to Sri Lanka. She openly admitted that it's racist and a white guy touching her won't be a problem. Second i-date in Belgrade, the girl told me that a dark guy touching her would lower her status if anyone sees. I was nearly 40 minutes into the date then ejected. Recently, in Lyon a girl refused to give me her number once she found out that I am indian of ethinicity. However, there were girls who had told me that they are into indian guys and that they like me because of it, but the percentage is quite low. Lets say 1 in 100 sets.

Anyway,I still think my game has loop holes. So any advice from u guys would be a pleasure.

[Sidney Crosby]

I don't know any girls in Canada that would care or be turned on by some guy speaking Malay or Tamil, maybe it's different in France. English doesn't really count. So you are left with French, most likely with a strong accent.

Don't count on this being DHV.

[brokinetic]

(10-22-2016 03:13 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

I don't know any girls in Canada that would care or be turned on by some guy speaking Malay or Tamil, maybe it's different in France. English doesn't really count. So you are left with French, most likely with a strong accent.

Don't count on this being DHV.

I get your point. It's not a DHV that I use regularly. Only with girls who are into language and arts as it helps me to build rapport easier with them. My French does have a specific accent and the french used to be very critical towards me because of that(mostly friends making fun of me). It had improved over the last two years. I still have an accent but realized that people stopped making fun of me over it.

[TripleG]

@Brokinetic, you gotta come back to LT...you were doing just fine there and I think your exotic look helped;
Use French knowledge to your advantage, when you ask girls during your set travel questions make sure to immediately throw in the fact that you are fluent French speaker. Use that to your advantage and hit up French-centric spots when you travel, especially French cafe's or bars. Finally, I think you can improve a lot on your style and dress....drop the leather jacket and t-shirt look! Try instead a custom fitted dressy shirt with tight designer jeans, this look comes to mind

[brokinetic]

(10-23-2016 04:10 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

@Brokinetic, you gotta come back to LT...you were doing just fine there and I think your exotic look helped;
Use French knowledge to your advantage, when you ask girls during your set travel questions make sure to immediately throw in the fact that you are fluent French speaker. Use that to your advantage and hit up French-centric spots when you travel, especially French cafe's or bars. Finally, I think you can improve a lot on your style and dress....drop the leather jacket and t-shirt look! Try instead a custom fitted dressy shirt with tight designer jeans, this look comes to mind

Oh God. I miss Lithuania!

[Fortis]

Dalaran, did you low-key quote Bane in your first post in this thread?

[Dalaran1991]

(10-24-2016 03:57 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Dalaran, did you low-key quote Bane in your first post in this thread?

Shhhh Fortis, discretion. Gaming in France is all about discreetion. No wonder you US guys do horribly here

Anyway OP, it looks to me like your standard game is pretty solid. You got lines and are able to flow, but here's my question: did you hook any of the girls before you spit?

I've learned that you can actually be the guy who organize all of Enrique Iglesias' parties, but if you can't hook the girls interest in you before you spit your game, they will just be like "Cool story nigga" then they would eject. In this perspective, I think the "I dont know you enough" can be both a shit test and a IOD.

IMO, I think your gaming style would be much more suited to night game and I actually think you would do well there. Tons of artsy bars in Lyon where your typical French girls next door go out for a night of whoring, so maybe look into that?

Not done it myself but something about direct game + day + France just dont sit well with me, especially if you are not the conventional handsome Zara guy type.

How do you hook her?

-She has to be interested in you. This I feel like you can do.

-She has to feel validated with you: French girls are much more social savvy than anglosaxon girls, and depends even more on how people view them than your Anglo slut. This is already evident in some of the stories you told.

Quote:

Second i-date in Belgrade, the girl told me that a dark guy touching her would lower her status if anyone sees. I was nearly 40 minutes into the date then ejected.

Where have I NOT seen that before? Typical French bitch.

Since she cant be seen in public with you, this leaves little room for day game. Unless you have already been validated by your environment. Then she can sup in the same validation as you.

This is why its better to day game inside a large social circle game. This whole I dont know you / you are not good enough concern of hers could be easily eliminated if you day game on a campus for example.

You do have to change your style however, sorry to say this. That looks + your race puts you squarely into the "racaille" category, and unless you are ready to pull girl's skirt and go (back) to prison like a real street prowler, aint gonna work.

Your clothes and style must do the validation for you.

This means wine-colored blazer (looks great on dark skin), designer jeans or slim chinos, casual dress shirt and chaussures de ville. No sneakers allowed.

Those changes in style did more for me than 100 approaches ever did.

About race: it matters A LOT, no shit nigga. But since we cant change it there's no point talking about it.

All this comes down to just mean that you have to work 10x harder for the same reward that effy looking white guy is getting;

With French girls once you get her hooked you run the risk of wasting time with attention whore girls. They are wayyyy better at faking interest than your simple Anglo bitch.

I said in the other thread that I stopped cold approaching a long time ago because it just doesnt work when you are Asian AND 5"4 in Paris. Cold approaching in a large social circle however works wonder.

Or you could target the segment of French girls who are anglomaniac, but who wants that? Wouldnt even count as a French flag IMO.

I wish you luck bro. French girls are horrendously annoying and bitchy but its those qualities that make them awesome lays, and they can be very very sweet in a relationship. AND they wear kick ass lingerie. Make Victoria Secret look like white trash hoes.

[brokinetic]

(10-24-2016 06:49 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 03:57 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Dalaran, did you low-key quote Bane in your first post in this thread?

Shhhh Fortis, discretion. Gaming in France is all about discreetion. No wonder you US guys do horribly here

Anyway OP, it looks to me like your standard game is pretty solid. You got lines and are able to flow, but here's my question: did you hook any of the girls before you spit?

I've learned that you can actually be the guy who organize all of Enrique Iglesias' parties, but if you can't hook the girls interest in you before you spit your game, they will just be like "Cool story nigga" then they would eject. In this perspective, I think the "I dont know you enough" can be both a shit test and a IOD.

IMO, I think your gaming style would be much more suited to night game and I actually think you would do well there. Tons of artsy bars in Lyon where your typical French girls next door go out for a night of whoring, so maybe look into that?

Not done it myself but something about direct game + day + France just dont sit well with me, especially if you are not the conventional handsome Zara guy type.

How do you hook her?

-She has to be interested in you. This I feel like you can do.

-She has to feel validated with you: French girls are much more social savvy than anglosaxon girls, and depends even more on how people view them than your Anglo slut. This is already evident in some of the stories you told.

Quote:

Second i-date in Belgrade, the girl told me that a dark guy touching her would lower her status if anyone sees. I was nearly 40 minutes into the date then ejected.

Where have I NOT seen that before? Typical French bitch.

Since she cant be seen in public with you, this leaves little room for day game. Unless you have already been validated by your environment. Then she can sup in the same validation as you.

This is why its better to day game inside a large social circle game. This whole I dont know you / you are not good enough concern of hers could be easily eliminated if you day game on a campus for example.

You do have to change your style however, sorry to say this. That looks + your race puts you squarely into the "racaille" category, and unless you are ready to pull girl's skirt and go (back) to prison like a real street prowler, aint gonna work.

Your clothes and style must do the validation for you.

This means wine-colored blazer (looks great on dark skin), designer jeans or slim chinos, casual dress shirt and chaussures de ville. No sneakers allowed.

Those changes in style did more for me than 100 approaches ever did.

About race: it matters A LOT, no shit nigga. But since we cant change it there's no point talking about it.

All this comes down to just mean that you have to work 10x harder for the same reward that effy looking white guy is getting;

With French girls once you get her hooked you run the risk of wasting time with attention whore girls. They are wayyyy better at faking interest than your simple Anglo bitch.

I said in the other thread that I stopped cold approaching a long time ago because it just doesnt work when you are Asian AND 5"4 in Paris. Cold approaching in a large social circle however works wonder.

Or you could target the segment of French girls who are anglomaniac, but who wants that? Wouldnt even count as a French flag IMO.

I wish you luck bro. French girls are horrendously annoying and bitchy but its those qualities that make them awesome lays, and they can be very very sweet in a relationship. AND they wear kick ass lingerie. Make Victoria Secret look like white trash hoes.

Dressing style:
ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF. I can't stop laughing at myself. I was too stubborn to try a classy casual style, so finally decided to get my dark blue blazer and chinos out of my wardrobe. I went something like thistoday.Only that I wore a black dressing shoes and a cardigan inside and a red scraf as it was a bit cold.

It flipped the script all together. I got nearly 0 direct blowouts or girls ignoring me. Did 9 sets today, 2 good NBC. Could have plowed a bit more on another 2 girls but one of them was visiting Lyon for only a week, and I ejected on the other one(my bad). Another 2 had bf's so couldn't do much(I plowed for like 10 minutes, but no hook point). The rest were not interested anyway.

I still remember Triple G telling me about my dressing style and should have changed it a long time ago. I guess I was too stupid and stuborn. I was checking out Krauser's video on belligerence vs smoothness. I realized that I am somewhat belligerant, plus with this ,the 'racaille ' or R -dressing style(according to Krauser) over amplifies my vibe and energy which in return scares of the girls and make me look unatheuntic. The R-dressing style (bad boy dressing style) works well if you are white and have a baby face and not the other way around.

Social circle

I was studying in Grenoble before this, and all my social circles were based there. I moved to Lyon couple of weeks ago, and have not established a wide/large social circle here. Hence, I can't really depend much on this right now, furthermore, most of my friends are not into game and the local lair as I said is dead here in Lyon. Hence, social circle game is more of a long term target which I can only build slowly.

Night game
I tried night game, but I lack the high energy vibe to do a proper game in the bar or club. Another problem is that bar and club game in France can be very clicky(correct me if I am wrong) unless it's a student party(I am not a student any more, so nothing doing here).

I have done better with wing mans as it also helps to build a good social proof in the bar or club, but as I said, I don't have a big social circles with any gamers here in Lyon.

I checked out articles on going solo's, but as I have limited experience in night game. Some advice on this will be great. Especially night games in France.

Some analysis on my game

I improvised two things to my game :
1.My story telling

I decided to write a breezy story about my life experience, taking into account french culture:

"When I decided to come to France, my mom said  « No,no,no !  You will not go there »

Do you know why, she said? Because in France, they will put you on a guillotine, chop your head off. Then feed you lots of cheese, cigarettes and coffee.

I said,  « No,no,no I don't care. I will go to France.So I took the flight. It was a tiring 13 hours flight. I was once a little boy coming from a small town and I was really excited because that was the first time I came out of my country. I landed in France, it was a bit cold,lots of people in the airport, everyone speaking French and I could not understand a word French except, except for « Bonjour » and « Au revoir ».

« I was a bit scared, but they did not cut off my head, some cheese, some cigarettes but no coffee. I still love tea. "

Told with the right energy and body language this story bloody works with them. I managed to get two girls who said they wanted to leave by spitting this out. I din't get their number, but this got their attention.

2.Making fun of myself:

Another problem with my game is that, all the DHV's make me look good and high quality. But at the same time, my theory is that the girls start thinking that I am very proud of myself and probably arrogant.Many people have said before that I do somehow have an arrogant look. I also believe that lots french guys, can't take it when people make fun of them(most of my friends are like that).

So I started telling stupid things about me such as:

I am not very intelligent, sometimes I say stupid things like a baby 

I like animals. My favorite is panda bears. At night I dance like one before I sleep. It's fun. 

 I can be very naughty. Once I made my teacher cry.

My French accent is really bad. I sound like a dying parrot.

These really softened the girls. They became more relaxed and started asking me questions about me. One girl today, even said that I had a good accent(not sure if its true or just a compliance).

Thanks a lot for the advice on style. Any other opinion will be really valuable to my game.

[Dalaran1991]

Yeah, if I have an euro every time telling people changing their style would help them. Ego is the first thing you need to throw out while gaming.

I know a lot of people buy into Krauser's, thats fine but remember its a system of guideline. Following it too closely wont work for you. First off, he's white and tall and bald. It actually makes a huge difference in the early stage of game, unless you are really smooth with word.

Appearing arrogant isnt the problem, so long as girls are attracted to you before they think you are arrogant. Speaking of, its pretty clear with your post that you are too much into yourself. In an approach you need to get the girl talking, not you.

Get this: no one gives a shit about your story. Its just one of the many tools to get the girls talking. Every girl cares only about her story, and her story alone.

You need to get her talking. Cold reading is an example. Then only jump in to get her talking more. Else why would she cares about a brown proletariat's shitty travel story? Throw in bits and pieces that let her know you are on the same side, the same social class. Funny, for a socialist society French girls are the most class-ist.

Your direct, forward game might work in Lithuana / FSU where girls are more traditional, but here in France where bitches still think they invented the enlightenment, that abrasive attitude wont work. Or it does work, but later.

I wont say it again: change your shoes.

I think thats all I can give you. You should be able to find your way from here.

Good hunting,

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^ Fyi, I've met Krauser, he's average height. Also, by his own public assessment, he's a potato-head. So I wouldn't say his looks are helping him, though I wouldn't say they're hurting him either.