[Sidney Crosby]

^ How much did Invisalign cost you if you don't mind sharing.

[sonoran_]

ok i need a suggestion. I have 2 paths to take. (Im 24)

1) Looking back at pictures of when I was younger, Ive always had a big forehead plus in recent years there has been some recession at the hairline and temples. So in terms of my "unorthodox methods" I was looking to get a forehead reduction/ hairline transplant and maybe a chin implant.

If I do that however, it means I shouldnt start doing testosterone. This is obviously because I will start to lose hair and that hair line surgery would have been a waste of money.

2) If I start to do testosterone, I should not care about my hair, more so I should probably shave it off, but Im not sure if I have the skull shape for that. Other downsides is that Im already pretty hairy especially lower body and doing test will increase that. If I do take up test, it will be to get to a very athletic look and not to look like a bodybuilder.



The million dollar question is: Should I increase my facial aesthetics ( by focusing on my hair) and having a lean but average body or should I increase my body's aesthetics at the cost of facial aesthetics ( hair)?

[Stallion]

(05-06-2017 02:09 PM)sonoran_ Wrote:  

ok i need a suggestion. I have 2 paths to take. (Im 24)

1) Looking back at pictures of when I was younger, Ive always had a big forehead plus in recent years there has been some recession at the hairline and temples. So in terms of my "unorthodox methods" I was looking to get a forehead reduction/ hairline transplant and maybe a chin implant.

If I do that however, it means I shouldnt start doing testosterone. This is obviously because I will start to lose hair and that hair line surgery would have been a waste of money.

2) If I start to do testosterone, I should not care about my hair, more so I should probably shave it off, but Im not sure if I have the skull shape for that. Other downsides is that Im already pretty hairy especially lower body and doing test will increase that. If I do take up test, it will be to get to a very athletic look and not to look like a bodybuilder.



The million dollar question is: Should I increase my facial aesthetics ( by focusing on my hair) and having a lean but average body or should I increase my body's aesthetics at the cost of facial aesthetics ( hair)?

I would go for facial aesthetics.

You can get quite jacked without testosterone at 24, but there is not much you can do about facial aesthetics without the surgery. So by doing the surgery you can have both.


Plus, the hair they transplant doesn't fall if you ever decide to do test when you are older, so it won't be such a waste. Your hairline (where you still have hair now so they didn't transplant) will recede faster, but that just means you will need a second transplant, which most people need anyways (if you are really balding, expect 3 or 4 transplants in the space of a few years to have a "full head of hair"). It seems like a lot, but if you spread the cost over a lifetime, it's not a big deal. If such a small amount of money is a big deal, you need to work on your career/lifestyle first.

Also, a good hair transplant surgeon will always transplant extra hairs in areas where you are not bald yet, just to be safe in the future if you lose more hair.

Facial aesthetics are underestimated in this forum I feel, being muscular is very important, but so is doing the best you can for your face.


Unless you cut the bullshit and go for the shaved tough guy look, that decision is up to you.

[sonoran_]

It is an interesting point you raise about how the hair they transplant from the back and sides of your head are resistant to DHT induced hair loss. Do you know if this a fact or still a theory?

Im a short brown dude and I 100% dont have the genetics to become "jacked" naturally. I can with EXTREME effort get to a fit look, but even still its only noticeable when im shirtless.

I guess Ill save up for some forehead surgery and a chin implant ( cause my side profile is shit) and try to get to my natural potential for my body.

Then by late 20's or early 30's ill look into testosterone. How does that sound?

I wish I had the courage to go shaved head, jacked body, tough guy look, but Im not sure how that looks for short brown guys haha.

[Stallion]

(05-08-2017 12:48 AM)sonoran_ Wrote:  

It is an interesting point you raise about how the hair they transplant from the back and sides of your head are resistant to DHT induced hair loss. Do you know if this a fact or still a theory?

Im a short brown dude and I 100% dont have the genetics to become "jacked" naturally. I can with EXTREME effort get to a fit look, but even still its only noticeable when im shirtless.

I guess Ill save up for some forehead surgery and a chin implant ( cause my side profile is shit) and try to get to my natural potential for my body.

Then by late 20's or early 30's ill look into testosterone. How does that sound?

I wish I had the courage to go shaved head, jacked body, tough guy look, but Im not sure how that looks for short brown guys haha.

I know that the hair in the back of your head is different (more resistant to DHT) and never falls due to natural causes, no matter how bald you go. That's why they take it from there.

I also know that the hair they transplant doesn't fall even if you keep losing hair naturally. This is one of the reasons why bald guys need more transplants. If the hair keeps falling after the first transplant, but the one they transplanted stays there, they have a very weird looking gap that looks way worst than just being bald.

I assumed it was the same with "artificial" levels of DHT, but I have no scientific basis for this and I'm no expert, so definitely do your own research. This is an important decision so don't do it based on some random guy on this forum!



I'm also very short and we actually have it better to look jacked. I don't have the biggest muscles ever, but because I am short, my proportions seem bigger and I look like Conan the barbarian (at least until you put a tall guy next to me, then I look like a dwarf).

For a short brown guy, proportions like Surya Sivakumar (was that his name?) are way easier to achieve than for a tall guy (tall guys have more "space to fill with muscle").

This video is spot on:

Look at the guy who is talking. His muscles are quite small, but he looks big because of his small body. I don't know about your genetics, but it took me around one year to look like that guy, so you have no excuse!

[ComebackKid]

Linux,

What method did you use for mole removal?
How bad is the scarring afterwards?
Did you do anything for scarring post removal?

[Zyzz]

1) laser hair removal/electrolysis
2) stretch mark removal
3) an aesthetic haircut that fits your face and who you are as a person

[hooked_on_tonics]

Bumping this thread because I'd like to see more contributions.

I'm going to second tinting eyebrows a few shades darker. If you don't get it professionally done and choose to do it yourself, you should start off very conservative when selecting a shade, because you will look goofy if you overdo it.

I don't even think you need to have abnormally faint eyebrows to benefit. I have very dark brown eyebrows and bumped them up to light black and it draws attention to your eyes right away by framing them more boldly. If you look at most conventionally attractive men, they have bold facial features and I am convinced that this may actually be a relatively common practice amongst some male model circles.

It is one of those very subtle things that no one will ever be able to put their finger on, but to most people your face will just look a little better.

[TheKongoEmpire]

Bump because I'm planning to stay in CO for at least 6 months if everything goes straight.

[Northern Wastes]

I wrote a datasheet on it not too long ago but Accutane was a game changer. If you have severe cystic acne it's worth looking into. Soon I will start looking into scar removal.

For Eye bags cold pressed almond oil can work wonders.

For my teeth I've used Crest Pro White Strips before with great results, I've had braces so my teeth look good but when they were two shades whiter I was getting comments all the time. Unfortunately it seems like Crest has changed the formula and the packaging and the current ones they sell on amazon currently are shit.

Also for anyone missing teeth a partial is a great option.
I was born without the two teeth next to my canines so there are two big gaps between my front two big teeth and my canines. A partial is a type of plastic denture that connects to the roof. Mine fills in the gaps and I can eat with it which is huge. Eventually I'm going to look into implants, which are about 5,000 a piece. Hopefully insurance will be able to cover that.

[Hypno]

Good luck on the dental insurance. My experience is that dental insurance in the u.s. covers little.

You should explore getting an implant done overseas, like Hungary, Thailand, or even Mexico because the standard of care is comparable and the costs much lower.

[the Thing]

Signed up for Invisalign today for a very minor crowding issue that most people say they don't even notice (but it's crowded enough that my smile is only good when viewed from one side). My hands were a bit shaky signing that $8,000 check even though my insurance will cover 5k of it.

So I'm wondering what the deal is with some guys in the thread getting Invisalign and having to get braces afterwards? Did you not wear the trays all the time or didn't they work?

[JayD]

I got Invisalign few years ago, definitely recommend it..just on the pricey side.

After it was done, they put wires behind my teeth on the top and back and it’s held pretty good from 2 years ago. Haven’t really worn the retainers and it has had minor movement so far.

[LINUX]

(05-08-2018 06:08 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

Signed up for Invisalign today for a very minor crowding issue that most people say they don't even notice (but it's crowded enough that my smile is only good when viewed from one side). My hands were a bit shaky signing that $8,000 check even though my insurance will cover 5k of it.

So I'm wondering what the deal is with some guys in the thread getting Invisalign and having to get braces afterwards? Did you not wear the trays all the time or didn't they work?

Because people do not wear them correctly. I only wore mine at night so the realigning was never correct and I never wore a retainer afterwards. it was my own fault.

[doc holliday]

The Thing, you have to wear the trays 22 hours a day. You can take them out for 2 hours a day to eat, brush your teeth, eat pussy, whatever but they absolutely need to be in there those 22 hrs or else your teeth won't move quickly enough or far enough into the correct position to enable you to move on to the next aligner. Once you're done, you have to wear the retainers religiously, all day every day for 6 months and then to overnight wear for another 6 months to a year. They will work just fine but you have to wear them the way they are meant to be worn.

[Mig Picante]

The reason for wearing retainers for 12months+ following treatment is that once the teeth move, there are gaps in the bone where the teeth used to sit that take far longer too heal once the teeth have moved. If you don't wear retainers the teeth will return to where they were before easily as there is no bone in place.

Some people can get a wire attached to the rear of the teeth to hold the the teeth in place which performs a similar function.
I'm nearly 3 years post-invisalign and still wear retainers each night. It's likely I will have to indefinitely.

[Northern Wastes]

(05-09-2018 03:34 PM)Mig Picante Wrote:  

The reason for wearing retainers for 12months+ following treatment is that once the teeth move, there are gaps in the bone where the teeth used to sit that take far longer too heal once the teeth have moved. If you don't wear retainers the teeth will return to where they were before easily as there is no bone in place.

Some people can get a wire attached to the rear of the teeth to hold the the teeth in place which performs a similar function.
I'm nearly 3 years post-invisalign and still wear retainers each night. It's likely I will have to indefinitely.

I'm about 3 years post braces (for the second time) and I wear my retainer every night. I had them when I was about 9, lost my retainer about a year after and by 13 they had all moved back. I also have the wire attached to the back of my bottom 6 teeth. If you've had braces/Invisalign because you NEEDED them, you'll probably have to wear the retainer for the rest of you life if you want to keep your teeth nice.