[Moma]

(04-15-2014 09:56 AM)JoyStick Wrote:  

Moma, have you heard Yo Gotti's version of started from the bottom? So much better than Drake.

Gonna check it out now. Okay, just listened to it, who's the originator?

[MidniteSpecial]

[Screwston]

His lyrics started getting to his head and he started believing his whole rap persona. Made some bad ass music though. I wouldn't be surprised if he was sucking dick on the low low after interviews in his younger years.

[JoyStick]

(04-15-2014 11:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 09:56 AM)JoyStick Wrote:  

Moma, have you heard Yo Gotti's version of started from the bottom? So much better than Drake.

Gonna check it out now. Okay, just listened to it, who's the originator?

drake

[Moma]

(04-15-2014 11:09 PM)JoyStick Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 11:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 09:56 AM)JoyStick Wrote:  

Moma, have you heard Yo Gotti's version of started from the bottom? So much better than Drake.

Gonna check it out now. Okay, just listened to it, who's the originator?

drake

I always gotta give it to the originator regardless of how I feel about him.
So it still stands that those are my two favourite songs by Drake.

[Jukes]

(04-15-2014 09:16 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 09:07 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Deluge, I grew up on hip hop..but that shyt looks extremely moist. I don't like to sound like a hater and I know hip hop is trying to touch different audiences and increase fan base..but the moist stuff makes my skin crawl.

The skirt wearing and the bitching..makes me just want to run off to a traditional beer drinking community and reset.

I'm embarrassed to admit I used to like his stuff a few years back. Drake is hip-hop for basic bitch middle class white girls.

I am ok with Drake . He is like the modern day LL Cool J . Rap to the ladies makes the panties and cash drop into his hands . That Good girl and you know it plus many others have the Jezebel turn into nuns and devoted housewives . On the downside , you have the average black dude believe that shit like Disney movies .

[Enigma]

This was meant for the other thread that's now closed, but I'll post it here:

People love to hate on Pac.

Yet listen to how Jada Pinkett talks about him to this day. She's been married to one of the most successful stars in the world for the past twenty years, but she's still in love with Tupac.

Then you have the "fake gangsta" claims. He definitely played up that image, but that was because he knew it would help him gain popularity with that demographic which he could then use to make positive changes in the black community. A lot of this was known before, but the phone conversations Monster Kody released recently between the two helped shed a lot of light on this.

Listen to this if you've never heard it. Really profound look into Tupac's pscyhe:

Related, funny how Tupac used to have casual phone conversations with notoriously ruthless LA Crips (Kody), yet he was "soft".

Another recent story gives some insight into Tupac's character, and that's the indictment of Jimmy Henchman. The truth about the extent of his extorting and strong arming rappers is being revealed, yet Pac was never intimidated by him.

Even after he had Tupac shot, it didn't stop him. Many of you probably remember this line from the song Against All Odds on Pac's last album: "Promised a payback, Jimmy Henchman, in due time".

[Lizard King]

When you have women throwing themselves at you just because of fame, wealth etc, you are going to see through the bullshit, and see the women for what they are(gold diggers, star fuckers).

[Pride male]

Cristiano Ronaldo transformation

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Obviously, he was a study in contradictions from "Sucka 4 Love" to "Hit em' up". He publicly dated/smashed everyone from Kidada Jones to Madonna (Quincy's daughter). Part of his transformation was probably environment and his associations, but to reach the urban audience he wanted to touch, he had to come harder.

In the later years, he wanted start a revolution

N.I.G.G.A. - Never ignorant getting goals accomplished. Brilliant turn of phrase

Dude took this ugly word and flipped it into a beautiful acronym

It's not how you start, it's how you finish

[Beyond Borders]

^ Not sure I like how he finished, whether you call it alpha or not.

His young heart lost sight of his old soul.

He had the potential for much bigger things but was seduced by the money, fame, and the image he'd conjured.

I don't hate on him for it - most of us would do the same given the same traps. But it was still a tragic misuse of potential.

[the high]

Yeah I think Pac was on the right track up until he signed to Death Row. There's an interview just before he gets out of prison where he is talking about implementing some real changes in the Black community. After he was released though he was thoroughly swept up into the gang culture under Suge Knight which ultimately led to his death.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Agreed.

It seems his original agenda had been pushed to the background when he signed with Death Row. The whole time anyone who knew his back story knew that he never fit into a nice neat box. He was always contradictory. Even more so during that period.

He had sold his soul to the devil with Suge Knight. To me he was little more than hamming it up for his new business associates and he had a huge debt to pay off in exchange for his freedom

I remember being disappointed by All Eyez on Me because his previous work before going in was a more balanced display of his talent - Me Against The World

What some people don't realize is that with his last project, he had paid his obligation off to the label and was looking to become his own boss and move towards a different musical and social direction

Too bad he never got the chance

[Moma]

Suge was the only guy who was reaching out to him during incarceration so you go with those who are down with you when you don't have anything..

[dads]

Is there any reading material on Tupac and all this stuff that's being said on this thread? I'd love an Oral History or something on the guy if anyone has any recommendations.

[rudebwoy]

Tupac persona and his real life seems like two different things to me.

He signed a deal with the devil but tried to go against it, that is why he was ultimately killed. It has nothing to do with the East Coast vs West Coast the media was trying to portray.

[urbannomad]

(01-02-2015 12:46 PM)dads Wrote:  

Is there any reading material on Tupac and all this stuff that's being said on this thread? I'd love an Oral History or something on the guy if anyone has any recommendations.

Frank book " I got your back" is really good book with details about the last few years of his life and personality.

[Pride male]

Tupac was not on the right path before Death Row. He was in and out of jail for assault and drug related crimes. He was hanging out with dangerous dudes like Henchmen and Haitian Jack. He got shot before Death Row. Watch Tupac Resurrection. Death Row only accelerated his downward spiral.

And about Frank. He got a bullet in the head for his troubles.

[Sourcecode]

(01-02-2015 04:15 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

Listened to the whole thing...
Damn

[coverdoc]

My favorite quote from this guy: "If you fucking with a cool female, that's all good. BUT if you fucking with a bitch you need to break her ass and shake her ass"

[Quintus Curtius]

(01-02-2015 10:04 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

^ Not sure I like how he finished, whether you call it alpha or not.

His young heart lost sight of his old soul.

He had the potential for much bigger things but was seduced by the money, fame, and the image he'd conjured.

I don't hate on him for it - most of us would do the same given the same traps. But it was still a tragic misuse of potential.

I agree with this.

I remember seeing Tupac in the early 90s when he was with Digital Underground. Then he seemed to vanish for a while, until coming back with his solo career.

I never knew anything about his music. What impressed me about him was his acting. I'm a big movie watcher and caught a few of his movies from the 90s:

Juice
Gang Related
Gridlock'd
Poetic Justice

These movies may not have been great, but there was something about this dude that made you sit up and take notice. Especially his role in "Gang Related" with Jim Belushi. I was really impressed with his acting style. He was able to convey vulnerability, intensity, and fear all at the same time.

I don't think he got enough credit for his acting abilities. That's my opinion.

But in his personal life, you just got the impression that he got in with a bad crowd or something. It was like he got enmeshed by this spiders' web of evil: bad characters, bad lifestyle, bad choices, all of that.

It was almost like he had some sort of death wish. Like some deep-seated self-esteem issues that could never be resolved. I thought that was really sad, and really tragic.

The saddest thing in life is when talented people head for the edge of the cliff, and while no one is able to stop them.

[Lizard King]

(01-02-2015 10:29 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Suge was the only guy who was reaching out to him during incarceration so you go with those who are down with you when you don't have anything..

Let's not confuse Suge Knight's dealings with 2Pac.

He reached out to him to further himself. His ruthlessness is widely documented. He is by no means an altruistic person, like Pac was when he was younger.

Every penny he paid getting Pac out of jail he earned back and more.

Not arguing with you, just trying to highlight a point.

[speculator]

It seems like Tupac dumped Madonna because the latter fucked with athletes and other rappers on the side. And the fucking media turned this into a race thing claiming "he dumped her because she was white." In an exclusive letter written in jail published on TMZ, Tupac admits that this was "eye for an eye" because she hurt his ego. Even though she was the sex symbol at the time, he was too proud to let that happen. I think he is the only guy who has rejected Madonna.

Tupac's Letter to Madonna

Even if he was racist in his remarks, I, as a white guy, completely understand his point. He was a counterbalance to cucks like Tiger Woods who become so enamored with their trophy white wives and girlfriends that they lose all their dignity. I have nothing against interracial marriages but I think one of the reasons of tensions between black males and females is this trend of famous black guys disproportionately marrying white chicks. This is another tactic to break up black families and seems like Tupac was aware of this.