[Courage Reborn]

Congrats OP

Being that it sounds like you've spent some years in the game, what's your plan for long term monogamy? As the years go by, will you be ok with 1 vagina for the rest of your life?

[Dantes]

Thanks for sharing your story. Best of luck and I hope you keep this thread updated.

I may have missed this, but was your girl born in Eastern Europe?

[kikuyu1]

Thanks,OP! Imo,this place should help rooshvers find and chose a mate not just how to approach,escalate and f close librarian/goth/biker bitch and/or wiccan strippers.

[Bluto]

Congratulations in finding someone that you want to marry. I have not seen this sentiment just yet, but don't forget that the game never stops when you are married, it is just focused on one chick.

[StrikeBack]

(08-06-2016 08:21 PM)Herr Lucifer Wrote:  

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What are her FLAWS?

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There are no major flaws or red flags, else I would never marry her. While she naturally has a strong immunity against feminism and the likes, it is fortunate that we met while she's only been here for a short while and very young. Most of her flaws are that of a very sheltered and naive young girl who just moved from a small town to a big city. If you've ever watched old school movies where there's a pretty feminine girl doing silly things and saying dumb hilarious stuff from time to time, that's kinda her. She can't drive, can't read maps, hilariously misuses big words, is generally very trusting of people including mobile phone sales staff (!), doesn't understand big city women's cattyness and gets upset easily when those bitches are mean to her, etc.

If I have to pick some flaws that are significant in some way, they'd be:

- She used to have some learning difficulties in primary school, so she's rather insecure about her academic smarts and learning abilities (she gets High Distinctions at uni so is a smart girl). Occasionally she'd beat herself up about it, thinking that she's not smart enough for me, and I'd need to lead her out of that emotional pit.
- She's extremely eager to please me, to the point that she wanted to learn everything to be the perfect wife yesterday and faster. This can cause her at times to feel very upset that she's not somehow living up to my expectations. Same as above.
- She gets jealous easily because of the female attention I get, even though half of it (coming from pretty girls) is due to the very social selection from her being with me and the other half is from girls (5s and 6s) that are no competition at all to her. I suppose this is also half good because I have built-in dread game without having to do anything. Her jealousy is a pouty, sit in the corner feeling super sad that I might leave her kind. I deal with it by never apologising and always acknowledging that I know those girls like me, and if they have good qualities, I'd confirm them too, but let her know that I choose her, not them.

This requires me to basically have a full time job teaching her everything: some household skills (which I've outsourced half to my mother to teach e.g cooking), personal finance, learning methods, physical training skills, nutrition knowledge, and social skills to navigate this tricky world - basically selected Red Pill game techniques for women. I teach her those skills and lead her emotionally every day, and this is on top of my very intellectually demanding job and two competitive sports in boxing and powerlifting (by the way, she's very respectful of my male space and time with male friends).

That's what it takes even if you have yourself a rare girl like her. You will need to do a lot of work to mold her into the woman you want for a wife and mother of your children. I happen to love it - it is like putting all of my favourite Game lessons into practice - but many guys here may not be ready to put in that kind of work.

(08-07-2016 04:20 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

Congrats OP

Being that it sounds like you've spent some years in the game, what's your plan for long term monogamy? As the years go by, will you be ok with 1 vagina for the rest of your life?

Only time can really answer this 100%, but I'm happy with what I've done in the game. While nowhere near an international casanova, I've dated and banged a variety both in Australia and foreign, and I've seen and know how popular I am in certain traditional countries, that I believe I've got it out of my system. Besides, I believe I'm of a personality type that would rather focus on constant self-improvements and building a legacy than chasing strange. I remember there's an article on ROK that explains it very well about various types of men who are successful with women, but not all are the pussy hound type. My family has representatives of most types, and I know how their lives play out and what I identify with more. One of my uncles is the pussy hound type and he remains so well after marriage until he is wheelchair-ridden and his dick stops working. The other uncle stops fucking around after getting married to a good Polish woman and popping out three kids. I'm more like my great grandfather (a spitting image of him too) who got his wife as his helper for family life so he could build his business empire and raise good capable children.

(08-07-2016 04:22 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

Thanks for sharing your story. Best of luck and I hope you keep this thread updated.

I may have missed this, but was your girl born in Eastern Europe?

No she's born here in Australia, but from a mix of mostly EE and some Dutch / English background. She was born in a small coastal town and went to private Christian schools. She only moved to my city a few years ago for university and work. She looks and even talks very differently to a local Aussie girl, to the point that people at her university and work often ask which European country she's from. She used to answer "Australia" but since she's been with me, she now answers that she is Vietnamese (my background) and gives them her Vietnamese name (given to her by me as a birthday present).

[glugger]

When's the wedding?

[Agreddor]

(08-08-2016 02:34 PM)glugger Wrote:  

When's the wedding?

What kind of wedding will there be?

[JWLZG]

First of all,



Your story has been rather interesting and eye-opening. As you've said, these types of women simply don't exist Down Under, and, while I'm suspending my judgement about fate — and I don't mean in some sort of idealistic "until it works in my favour" — I can understand what you mean about how you both "found each other".

I noted how in the 'My thoughts on Roosh's "7 Things I Require in the Future Mother of My Child"' thread, you explained that, even when single, there was no way in hell she would give a "normal guy" the time of day. It might be something that others would call a "male unicorn", but I don't you you mean extraordinary in terms of being tall, wildly successful, extremely interesting and fun, traits that we might at first glance associate with being desirable.

Which means that 99% of the milliards of decent men working stable, middle-class jobs who catch up with the boys at the sports pub on Friday, and don't just sit on their arse collecting the dole, wouldn't even make the cut. My take is that because she's aware of her value, and that she's not like any other girl (certainly not Aussie ones), she understands that it's her prerogative to not give herself to just any guy, that her companionship and body is a prize to be valued, and that she's responsible to herself for selecting the very best.

Additionally, as you've said she's a example of prime femininity, she is after a partner of pure masculinity to complement herself. The following qualities:

(08-08-2016 04:40 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

There are no major flaws or red flags, else I would never marry her. While she naturally has a strong immunity against feminism and the likes, it is fortunate that we met while she's only been here for a short while and very young. Most of her flaws are that of a very sheltered and naive young girl who just moved from a small town to a big city. If you've ever watched old school movies where there's a pretty feminine girl doing silly things and saying dumb hilarious stuff from time to time, that's kinda her. She can't drive, can't read maps, hilariously misuses big words, is generally very trusting of people including mobile phone sales staff (!), doesn't understand big city women's cattyness and gets upset easily when those bitches are mean to her, etc.

If I have to pick some flaws that are significant in some way, they'd be:

- She used to have some learning difficulties in primary school, so she's rather insecure about her academic smarts and learning abilities (she gets High Distinctions at uni so is a smart girl). Occasionally she'd beat herself up about it, thinking that she's not smart enough for me, and I'd need to lead her out of that emotional pit.
- She's extremely eager to please me, to the point that she wanted to learn everything to be the perfect wife yesterday and faster. This can cause her at times to feel very upset that she's not somehow living up to my expectations. Same as above.
- She gets jealous easily because of the female attention I get, even though half of it (coming from pretty girls) is due to the very social selection from her being with me and the other half is from girls (5s and 6s) that are no competition at all to her. I suppose this is also half good because I have built-in dread game without having to do anything. Her jealousy is a pouty, sit in the corner feeling super sad that I might leave her kind. I deal with it by never apologising and always acknowledging that I know those girls like me, and if they have good qualities, I'd confirm them too, but let her know that I choose her, not them.

could be said to be prime features of femininity — feels deeply, is readily vulnerable unto her emotions, especially towards her man.

You could say that that was the reason you chose her in the first place.

It brings into question what it means to outwardly exude such model symbols of manhood. Maybe the Red Pill answer would be "If you have to ask, it ain't you". But one can't help but ponder the more philosophical issues of what it means to be a man. To extend on what you mentioned in the other thread:

- Bares no signs of weakness, physical or mental.
- Is strong, and takes pride in maintaining physical strength.
- Bottles up his emotions and never lets them get in the way of his actions.
- Is good with his hands and can make or mend anything at a workbench.
- Is able to fight in a variety of ways, and sees the necessity of doing so. Can and will defend his home and hearth with force without hesitation.
- Ploughs through pressure and adversity without breaking a sweat.
- Shows no fear, will leap off a boat in gale force conditions to rescue an overboard sail.
- Is a tearless pillar of stoicism in times of grief; especially for his woman.
- leads naturally. Calls the shots around the household and is a sage of wisdom and counsel for his woman.

Now I believe that Australia tends to glorify and covet masculinity and machismo. Despite our alleged rampant betatude decried on RVF, I think the 6 foot 4, full of shit alpha male beefcake, posturing on the sporting oval or on a night out, or beating up the bookworm in the schoolyard, still garners the most attraction. So, yes, on and off throughout my life, even while associating with feely SJW types, I've felt the pressure to express my own alpha tendencies. Yet I can't help but conclude that that's a different form of masculinity that the classical examples you've stated above. Insofar as these values are generally new to be as what we don't wax awe in Australian popular culture. It strikes a chord with me as I've been rejected twice majorly for what I believe to be lacking in manly traits (expressing arachnophobia, being violently ill over the space of a week). I've gone through a bout of existential crisis in terms of wondering what I had in terms of being a alpha man. Does that make me flat out unworthy of landing my own unicorn? After all, a masculine man, under those ideals, would never doubt himself, nor succumb to anxiety.

Your Game journey, then, appears to have come naturally up to and which your engagement was the culmination of. Key of which I can identify the creation of an abundance mentality over subsistence, and being able to express that naturally. The process of pre-selection/self-selection was an extension of that, to the point where you could flip the script and make it seem like you chose her rather than, or alongside, vice-versa, as she would've wanted in her man.
The other aspect was the fleshing out of your qualities as a man. I believe that Game is partly about empowering ourselves to be the very best we can be, and to supress hardship in favour of self. I've made myself see that as something to embrace, rather than shy away from.

[StrikeBack]

(08-09-2016 12:11 AM)Agreddor Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 02:34 PM)glugger Wrote:  

When's the wedding?

What kind of wedding will there be?

It will be in the coming summer down here when the weather is nicer.

It will be a small-ish affair, costing us as little as possible. The only people invited will be those who contribute positively to our lives. Those who bring negativity, even if they are family or used to be close friends, are not.

My fiancee will be making her own dress and my suit, because she can and loves to.

My mother, the retired chef, will help out a lot with the foods.

Flowers are kept minimal, likely we'll hold it in a garden with pretty flowers, so there will be no stupid wastage. Her father has all the connections for this.

Vows are going to be very old school and traumatically triggering to anyone with feminist tendencies, because we will be talking about wife obeying and submitting to her man, the husband is the head of the family and the likes.

We will improvise our own dance on the spot to a song of our choice, as we're both good dancers.

The trickiest part for us at the moment is finding a priest who understands and takes the Bible seriously, and not some hip cool weirdo who wants to fit in with a younger audience. I personally do not know any yet, so I will be searching.

Does that give you an idea what the wedding will be like?

[Thoroughbred]

(08-09-2016 12:53 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Does that give you an idea what the wedding will be like?

RVF table?

[StrikeBack]

Thank you brother JWLZG, and that is a very interesting post.

(08-09-2016 12:28 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Your story has been rather interesting and eye-opening. As you've said, these types of women simply don't exist Down Under, and, while I'm suspending my judgement about fate — and I don't mean in some sort of idealistic "until it works in my favour" — I can understand what you mean about how you both "found each other".

I don't think too much about fate or destiny either, because I believe our own free will can shape much of it, but you and I both know the Australian dating market, girls like her are very rare and the chance of running into one is exceedingly small.

Whether one believes in fate or not, I think we can all agree on one thing: that the man must really have his shit together when he runs into such a woman, if he's to have a shot.

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I noted how in the 'My thoughts on Roosh's "7 Things I Require in the Future Mother of My Child"' thread, you explained that, even when single, there was no way in hell she would give a "normal guy" the time of day. It might be something that others would call a "male unicorn", but I don't you you mean extraordinary in terms of being tall, wildly successful, extremely interesting and fun, traits that we might at first glance associate with being desirable.

Those traits are good, but they are not the top. They are sufficient for attracting lots of women, but to keep a quality one, I believe you need solid inner game and masculinity.

I've seen my fiancee be very cold towards normal men, usually at social dancing (when they ask her for a dance while I'm not by her side) or at work. She works in a prime inner city shop where lots of men drop by, PUAs included, to try run some Game on her. Sometimes I'd drop by for lunch on weekends or pick her up, and from where I sit and wait, I can observe it all without her knowing. She's very cold and professional towards them, cutting them off the moment they start anything not related to work.

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Which means that 99% of the milliards of decent men working stable, middle-class jobs who catch up with the boys at the sports pub on Friday, and don't just sit on their arse collecting the dole, wouldn't even make the cut. My take is that because she's aware of her value, and that she's not like any other girl (certainly not Aussie ones), she understands that it's her prerogative to not give herself to just any guy, that her companionship and body is a prize to be valued, and that she's responsible to herself for selecting the very best.

That is right. Her own father tried to introduce her to some men, and failed because she said she saw nothing in them, especially no leadership qualities.

I know a lot of the tall buff athletic Aussie guys through sports and gym. A lot of them are only alpha on paper, and while they are not going to struggle with women, many are really beta at heart and cannot lead to save their lives. You'll find lots of them with controlling or even obese girlfriends. Anonymous Bosch would have plenty of examples from his mates, I remember reading.

While I don't have the values to get lots of initial attraction as they can, I always know that I will be stronger within a relationship context than they are. You gotta know and be confident in your own strengths, and don't get obsessed with what you don't have. If I were to get stuck with the height thing for example, I'd never be able to get this woman. Not only she's taller than me (you've met me, I'm a short guy), her dad and brother tower over me, I'm not sure if I even come up to their shoulders. She is used to being around very tall men.

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It brings into question what it means to outwardly exude such model symbols of manhood. Maybe the Red Pill answer would be "If you have to ask, it ain't you". But one can't help but ponder the more philosophical issues of what it means to be a man.

I don't believe in this "if you have to ask, it ain't you" way of thinking. Masculine qualities can be cultivated. It is just hard to do so.

Your list below is great, and my fiancee takes special notices of these qualities. Here are some notes on how she assesses mine:

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- Bares no signs of weakness, physical or mental.

She always checks after any serious matter (work situations, family stresses, dealing with her emotions) how I am doing, if I'm tired, worried or upset. Not only I answer I'm doing great, she can see it for herself in my eyes and body language.

- Is strong, and takes pride in maintaining physical strength.

She really digs my strength and muscles from powerlifting, especially how I lift her up and throw her around like a toy. My strength in many ways negates my height disadvantage, because I'm so much stronger than the average guy, and in her case, much stronger than her dad and brother who are very tall.

- Bottles up his emotions and never lets them get in the way of his actions.

I don't bottle up my emotions, I channel them through a variety of ways, particularly boxing and powerlifting. I'm always in control of my emotions and make them work for my benefits, which she is most impressed with.

- Is good with his hands and can make or mend anything at a workbench.

She likes it when I fix things around the house.

- Is able to fight in a variety of ways, and sees the necessity of doing so. Can and will defend his home and hearth with force without hesitation.

She really digs my boxing and gets very hot and wet when I do shadow boxing drills at home shirtless. Early in our dating, she witnessed and loved me schooling some guy saying the tired "I'm a lover not a fighter" crap with "I'm a lover and protector of my woman, and a protector should be able to fight."

- Ploughs through pressure and adversity without breaking a sweat.

Be it an active or passive shit test, she really pays very close attention to how I deal with pressure and adversity. I'm not sure if she really knows what she's doing there, I think it's more instinctive. She'd ask me all kinds of questions afterwards to see if I'm shaken or am I that truly confident. I find that pretty amusing, knowing what we know here about women shit testing her man.

- Shows no fear, will leap off a boat in gale force conditions to rescue an overboard sail.

She's seen me conquer very heavy weights in lifting competitions, and also come forward without fear of an aggressive boxer in the competition ring. One saying from me she absolutely adores is that "Men should only fear God, and nothing else."

- Is a tearless pillar of stoicism in times of grief; especially for his woman.

I've lead her through many trials already, and I make it seem easy. At times when she felt weakest and most scared, I'd look into her eyes, hold her and say calmly something along the line of "look at me, listen to me and use my strength. You will be fine, and this too shall pass." I've drilled into her that I am her rock to lean on, and she is my warrior's retreat. Those are our roles.

- leads naturally. Calls the shots around the household and is a sage of wisdom and counsel for his woman.

Leading comes naturally for me, not just her but also at work and in sports. She always defers to me and thanks me for the many things I teach her every day.

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Now I believe that Australia tends to glorify and covet masculinity and machismo. Despite our alleged rampant betatude decried on RVF, I think the 6 foot 4, full of shit alpha male beefcake, posturing on the sporting oval or on a night out, or beating up the bookworm in the schoolyard, still garners the most attraction. So, yes, on and off throughout my life, even while associating with feely SJW types, I've felt the pressure to express my own alpha tendencies. Yet I can't help but conclude that that's a different form of masculinity that the classical examples you've stated above. Insofar as these values are generally new to be as what we don't wax awe in Australian popular culture. It strikes a chord with me as I've been rejected twice majorly for what I believe to be lacking in manly traits (expressing arachnophobia, being violently ill over the space of a week). I've gone through a bout of existential crisis in terms of wondering what I had in terms of being a alpha man. Does that make me flat out unworthy of landing my own unicorn? After all, a masculine man, under those ideals, would never doubt himself, nor succumb to anxiety.

While you're searching for those answers, keep in mind that you are also very young. When I was your age, I had plenty of doubts and couldn't exactly control my emotions very well. I have been through similar things that you experienced. To develop into a masculine man, you must not fear failures and rejections but even welcome them as trials so you can grow. When I hit around 29-30, something snapped one night out and I suddenly stopped giving a shit about things and people that do not matter, and gain full control over my emotions. That was when I started to really become a masculine man. It will take time.

[Easy_C]

(08-09-2016 12:28 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Insofar as these values are generally new to be as what we don't wax awe in Australian popular culture. It strikes a chord with me as I've been rejected twice majorly for what I believe to be lacking in manly traits (expressing arachnophobia, being violently ill over the space of a week

Buy a tarantula. A Chilean Rose specifically since they are not aggressive. I am dead serious. Get one, keep it in a container and don't interact without aside from throwing food in every so often.

After you observe how it behaves a lot of the mystique will fall off them and spiders become somewhat mundane.

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Which means that 99% of the milliards of decent men working stable, middle-class jobs who catch up with the boys at the sports pub on Friday, and don't just sit on their arse collecting the dole, wouldn't even make the cut. My take is that because she's aware of her value, and that she's not like any other girl (certainly not Aussie ones), she understands that it's her prerogative to not give herself to just any guy, that her companionship and body is a prize to be valued, and that she's responsible to herself for selecting the very best.

Correct but to be fair the average has fallen pretty far.

From what I have seen most of the "parent approved" kinds of guys(steady jobs, goes to church, respectful, etc) are extremely boring. They generally behave and act like Mormon missionaries....it is a degree of female pedestaling, fear of judgement, that risk aversion that will turn just about any lady into the Sahara.


You need to be more than that. Learn how to integrate the best aspects those guys have to offer (respectability, spirituality, politeness) while embracing the aggressive and adventurous aspects of the bad boy personality.

If you want one there are two main challenges: You need to find that kind of girl which is not easy because they don't go out much. Second you need to be the kind of guy that can both give her tingles and be around her family.


Sounds easy but it is surprisingly rare in practice. Most true "good girls" are incredibly thirsty for guys like that.

[Chemistry]

Hell yeah, THIS is a model of masculinity I can get on board with. Congratulations.

[VincentVinturi]

This is awesome StrikeBack, big congrats brother!

One caution:

Are you sure you want to get married in Australia...?

Women change over time and I'd caution you against putting yourself in a position of weakness (legally/financially).

I do hope everything works out but I'd leave the country to get married or otherwise take precautions.

I believe there are also punitive laws around co-habitation, alimony, child support, etc.

Just watch your ass my friend...

[JWLZG]

To comment further on StrikeBack's OP; I think this anecdote is noteworthy regardless of where you're at in the game and what your intentions for it are. Sure it's easy to eschew the idea of marriage/settling down, especially if you've swallowed the SJW Kool-Aid and are of a background that is most susceptible to it (middle class and upwards — the working classes are still marrying and having kids; these strata is lauded in the manosphere for being more Red pill), and where it's derided in much of popular culture; in Paper Towns, the female lead scorns the male protagonist's expressing an ultimate goal of settling down with a family by 30 ("Really? Is that all you wanna do with life?").

I admit to having been influenced by that bandwagon, but to be fair, it's easy to do so when one has been torn between wanting to sleep with as many attractive girls he sets eyes on, and wanting a settle for a LTR. I make no apologies for leaning heavily towards the former, but my belief is: what will be, will be.

Especially because heaps of peer pressure is thrown around to feel like your notch count in inadequate. My turning 28 in a few weeks makes the pinch felt even more.

(08-09-2016 02:15 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

I know a lot of the tall buff athletic Aussie guys through sports and gym. A lot of them are only alpha on paper, and while they are not going to struggle with women, many are really beta at heart and cannot lead to save their lives. You'll find lots of them with controlling or even obese girlfriends. Anonymous Bosch would have plenty of examples from his mates, I remember reading.

Yeah I've read about the paper alpha idea elsewhere on RVF. Yes it does seem to spike the male competition, not to mention drive a penis rat race, but a lot of them won't be able to identify with the manly values I posted above. It was something that rang a bell to me, having started Army officer training. I remember reading this from a letter Erwin Rommel wrote to his son:

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Be an example to your men in your duty and in private life. Never spare yourself, and let the troops see that you don't in your endurance of fatigue and privation. Always be tactful and well-mannered, and teach your subordinates to be the same. Avoid excessive sharpness or harshness of voice, which usually indicates the man who has shortcomings of his own to hide.

So much of battlefield leadership is equally applicable to the LTR. Vincit qui se vincit.

Having worked in supermarkets once upon a time, you hear this "she who must be obeyed"/"the boss" reference way too often. I'll never forget my senior lecturer saying at enrollment day: "We'll have to wrap this up soon; my wife will crucify me if I'm not back by 7."

I'm not sure if it's a SJW thing though. The "wife wearing the pants in the marriage" trope must've been around for decades, going by the ages of the guys who voice these sentiments. I've read it in Asterix comics from the '60s!

(08-08-2016 04:40 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Most of her flaws are that of a very sheltered and naive young girl who just moved from a small town to a big city. If you've ever watched old school movies where there's a pretty feminine girl doing silly things and saying dumb hilarious stuff from time to time, that's kinda her. She can't drive, can't read maps, hilariously misuses big words, is generally very trusting of people including mobile phone sales staff (!), doesn't understand big city women's cattyness and gets upset easily when those bitches are mean to her, etc.

[...]
This requires me to basically have a full time job teaching her everything: some household skills (which I've outsourced half to my mother to teach e.g cooking), personal finance, learning methods, physical training skills, nutrition knowledge, and social skills to navigate this tricky world - basically selected Red Pill game techniques for women. I teach her those skills and lead her emotionally every day, and this is on top of my very intellectually demanding job and two competitive sports in boxing and powerlifting (by the way, she's very respectful of my male space and time with male friends).

That's what it takes even if you have yourself a rare girl like her. You will need to do a lot of work to mold her into the woman you want for a wife and mother of your children. I happen to love it - it is like putting all of my favourite Game lessons into practice - but many guys here may not be ready to put in that kind of work.

I remember my Dad actually commending me and my brother to do exactly that; to find a girl that was "raw" (my words) and building her up. That is, someone who was still a bit ignorant or green to the ways of the big, bad world, rather than being one already headstrong and independent in her own values and strengths. From what I gathered of his rationale, the purpose of this was both in parts your execution of your duties as your partner's man, but also to mould her in your image (not literally, but the image of your ideal partner).

I may have taken objection, silently, not out of some pro-leftist zeal, but because my preferred partner (as a benchmark criteria) is university-educated, or at least engaged in some form of "in" pursuit — athletes, models, actresses, creative types.

Maybe this flies against the manosphere idea that women are inherently unintelligent/unoriginal/uninteresting.

Then again, my Dad has a lot of Red pill beliefs. He has praised the practice of Japanese women walking 3 steps behind their husbands (I don't even think they do that, but certain Muslim cultures?), in very disdainful of SJWs, and isn't supportive of my little sister lifting.

On the other hand, I've toyed with some RP ideas as well, even before discovering RVF. I'd thought that my eventual wife would ideally be a Christian, or at least raised at one (despite my being an atheist), and engaged in a feminine profession - nursing, teaching, fashion design.

(08-09-2016 04:14 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 12:28 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Insofar as these values are generally new to be as what we don't wax awe in Australian popular culture. It strikes a chord with me as I've been rejected twice majorly for what I believe to be lacking in manly traits (expressing arachnophobia, being violently ill over the space of a week

Buy a tarantula. A Chilean Rose specifically since they are not aggressive. I am dead serious. Get one, keep it in a container and don't interact without aside from throwing food in every so often.

After you observe how it behaves a lot of the mystique will fall off them and spiders become somewhat mundane.

That's a slightly less extreme remedy than what an old school friend went through: jungle warfare training in the Army at Canungra (in Far North Queensland). He said that after 2 weeks, you got so used to giant Goliath bird-eating spiders dropping on you that it was just routine to pluck them off your helmet and toss them away. Not before he saw his Corporal drop his rifle and run away screaming from one.

(08-09-2016 04:14 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

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Which means that 99% of the milliards of decent men working stable, middle-class jobs who catch up with the boys at the sports pub on Friday, and don't just sit on their arse collecting the dole, wouldn't even make the cut. My take is that because she's aware of her value, and that she's not like any other girl (certainly not Aussie ones), she understands that it's her prerogative to not give herself to just any guy, that her companionship and body is a prize to be valued, and that she's responsible to herself for selecting the very best.

Correct but to be fair the average has fallen pretty far.

From what I have seen most of the "parent approved" kinds of guys(steady jobs, goes to church, respectful, etc) are extremely boring. They generally behave and act like Mormon missionaries....it is a degree of female pedestaling, fear of judgement, that risk aversion that will turn just about any lady into the Sahara.


You need to be more than that. Learn how to integrate the best aspects those guys have to offer (respectability, spirituality, politeness) while embracing the aggressive and adventurous aspects of the bad boy personality.

If you want one there are two main challenges: You need to find that kind of girl which is not easy because they don't go out much. Second you need to be the kind of guy that can both give her tingles and be around her family.


Sounds easy but it is surprisingly rare in practice. Most true "good girls" are incredibly thirsty for guys like that.

Sure. You see stacks of smokeshows dating "average"- or "everyday"-looking dudes out and about. My housemate is a barber and is dating a model. But I don't want to be liked for being average, partly because that's not in my psyche. Maybe I'm a bit of a narcissist, and more seriously, because I come from a culture and social class where you're pushed to be, and to think of yourself as special, better than everyone else, and to frown upon weakness and privation. Not just in terms of height and physical attractiveness; though I've attracted professional models during daygame and social circle, so I can't be lacking in the looks department. My life shows that — I've travelled extensively, hitchhiked; studied abroad in Europe; learnt guitar in South America; volunteering in Nepal and trekking the Himalayas; sailing across the Atlantic. I've DJed, taught skiing, and won awards for basketball and sailing; and generally jump into endeavours outside my comfort zone. I can move rather seamlessly between hipster and athletic social milieux.

I can even be outwardly cocksure of that, and my sister is at the same time critical and proud of my self-belief ("It's good that you're confident in yourself JWLZG, but you need to put that all into perspective.")

Given my CV, I mightn't need to validate the idea that I'm interesting — and not in a fraudulent Baron Münchhausen/NASA Test Pilot way — as much as exuding that in person; let alone a Tinder profile, and reconciling those qualities with my wanting the best in a girl (and maybe my standards are lofty).

(08-09-2016 02:15 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

While I don't have the values to get lots of initial attraction as they can, I always know that I will be stronger within a relationship context than they are. You gotta know and be confident in your own strengths, and don't get obsessed with what you don't have. If I were to get stuck with the height thing for example, I'd never be able to get this woman. Not only she's taller than me (you've met me, I'm a short guy), her dad and brother tower over me, I'm not sure if I even come up to their shoulders. She is used to being around very tall men.

And I won't lie; I think some of these limiting beliefs still hang above me to this day, when I'd thought I'd qualms relating to height and race shelved away. I've bartended at venues that draw in tall, huge meatheads and willowy model types. Standing at 181 cm (me) can be squarely below average on an all right night. I can see why one can feel out of his depth at times in terms of self worth. And with mindsets like this, sure, even bartenders can cop rejections, or not be motivated to close.

I hope I'm not turning this thread towards myself — I guess its content is a reflection of where Game might take me in half a decade or so.

(08-09-2016 02:15 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

While you're searching for those answers, keep in mind that you are also very young. When I was your age, I had plenty of doubts and couldn't exactly control my emotions very well. I have been through similar things that you experienced. To develop into a masculine man, you must not fear failures and rejections but even welcome them as trials so you can grow. When I hit around 29-30, something snapped one night out and I suddenly stopped giving a shit about things and people that do not matter, and gain full control over my emotions. That was when I started to really become a masculine man. It will take time.

There's really more to game than the 'toolbox' of attracting and closing a girl. I've gone through times when I've studied it to the neglect of everything else in life. Your reply shows that there's really a holistic concept to it, including inner game. I'm still trying to find the sweet spot (vis-à-vis the other areas of life). My sense of urgency is more regarding how it's been a journey that's taken years (see my first paragraph) coupled with my noticing lately that many of the best girls get snapped up young.

[Kid Twist]

(08-09-2016 04:14 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Correct but to be fair the average has fallen pretty far.

From what I have seen most of the "parent approved" kinds of guys(steady jobs, goes to church, respectful, etc) are extremely boring. They generally behave and act like Mormon missionaries....it is a degree of female pedestaling, fear of judgement, that risk aversion that will turn just about any lady into the Sahara.


You need to be more than that. Learn how to integrate the best aspects those guys have to offer (respectability, spirituality, politeness) while embracing the aggressive and adventurous aspects of the bad boy personality.

If you want one there are two main challenges: You need to find that kind of girl which is not easy because they don't go out much. Second you need to be the kind of guy that can both give her tingles and be around her family.


Sounds easy but it is surprisingly rare in practice. Most true "good girls" are incredibly thirsty for guys like that.

I've been thinking a lot about this lately. The culture just doesn't produce women to be good wives, they produce workers who end up being wives, if they so choose, or are pressured by family or biology. By the way, the culture in the West rarely produces good husbands, just to be fair. The problem is that there isn't an incentive for the guys to be traditionally masculine because the women aren't feminine really anymore; beyond that as many have said here and on other threads, they've been sabotaged with feminism from the society, [single] moms etc. This is what you get from cultures that have lost religious faith and are focused on materialism, though.

The last two days I've thought a lot about this frustration and conundrum. I'm still fitter and more successful than 99% but if the idea is anywhere near a unicorn, what's the point? In a way I hope this doesn't happen but I'm thinking right now, why would I commit to someone who isn't all that great, laws are stacked against me, I'm gonna be good looking and wealthy for some years to go ... I'll just travel and meet real, feminine girls who are worth interacting with.

NOT fatties who are obsessed with entertainment and get attention that have no business receiving ... it's a damn shame.

[Tengen]

Man, I have so much I want to write about this because I'm in a very similar stage in my life right now. But first of all, my sincerest congratulations, StrikeBack!

(08-07-2016 04:06 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

How we met: it's a combination of Game and luck.

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- I was at the perfect stage in my life where I was ready for this. While never a serious player, I got it out of my system and wanted to find a good woman.
- I was well prepared in skills and Game, so that the moment I had the opportunities, I could strike successfully
- I was very clear with myself what I wanted from my woman, and was communicating very frankly, without care that I might damage my chance of getting laid.

You have to be smart and experienced enough to be lucky.

Imagine yourself maybe ten years ago before SJW thinking became mainstream. There were probably a lot more "marriageable" women back then, but you were probably too young and inexperienced to appreciate them and know how to handle them. Even the nicest girl will roll her eyes at a greenhorn who doesn't know what they're doing.

So you read up on game. You go out, approach girls, bang a few, read up on style and self-improvement... as those ten years pass and you come to today, you are now the wiser and more experienced version of yourself that girls have always wanted. Just as important, you have gained perspective on exactly what type of woman you want to spend your life with.

(08-08-2016 04:40 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 04:22 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

I may have missed this, but was your girl born in Eastern Europe?

No she's born here in Australia, but from a mix of mostly EE and some Dutch / English background. She was born in a small coastal town and went to private Christian schools. She only moved to my city a few years ago for university and work.

This is also important, because as it's been discussed here time and again the Big City life seems to corrupt young, innocent, marriageable girls very quickly. Outside of leaving for another country and getting married, your second-best bet is to find marriageable girls that are coming to your city, and catching them before it's too late - another reason why game is essential.

Even if they resist the call to become a tinder slut, the Big City will put ideas in her head of being a Strong Independent Woman ™. Case in point - a friend of mine called me to catch up over drinks recently, and I hadn't seen them in months. Turns out he had just broken up with his girlfriend of 4 years, simply because they couldn't see their professional life paths being compatible. I know them both and can say that they are wonderful people; imagine how much worse it would be if either/both were more depraved.

I've found a great girl as well now. Don't want to post up too much about it here for personal reasons, but suffice to say that she ticks Roosh's 7 boxes as well, even including his refinements.

Cheers to you once again, StrikeBack!

[StrikeBack]

(08-09-2016 04:14 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Correct but to be fair the average has fallen pretty far.

From what I have seen most of the "parent approved" kinds of guys(steady jobs, goes to church, respectful, etc) are extremely boring. They generally behave and act like Mormon missionaries....it is a degree of female pedestaling, fear of judgement, that risk aversion that will turn just about any lady into the Sahara.

My fiancee had a few of those guys introduced to her at church and via her father. She thinks they're too young and too weak.

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If you want one there are two main challenges: You need to find that kind of girl which is not easy because they don't go out much. Second you need to be the kind of guy that can both give her tingles and be around her family.

The hardest part is actually finding her because this type of girls like you said doesn't go out much. My fiancee was incredibly shy after just moving to the big city for university, that she did not go out at all after 7pm for her first year.

(08-09-2016 09:03 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

This is awesome StrikeBack, big congrats brother!

One caution:

Are you sure you want to get married in Australia...?

Women change over time and I'd caution you against putting yourself in a position of weakness (legally/financially).

I do hope everything works out but I'd leave the country to get married or otherwise take precautions.

I believe there are also punitive laws around co-habitation, alimony, child support, etc.

Just watch your ass my friend...

Thanks brother

On the financial side, most of my assets are under my parents' names. There's no alimony in Australia, and child support here is a fixed value, not a percentage of your potential income.

(08-09-2016 09:20 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I remember my Dad actually commending me and my brother to do exactly that; to find a girl that was "raw" (my words) and building her up. That is, someone who was still a bit ignorant or green to the ways of the big, bad world, rather than being one already headstrong and independent in her own values and strengths. From what I gathered of his rationale, the purpose of this was both in parts your execution of your duties as your partner's man, but also to mould her in your image (not literally, but the image of your ideal partner).

I may have taken objection, silently, not out of some pro-leftist zeal, but because my preferred partner (as a benchmark criteria) is university-educated, or at least engaged in some form of "in" pursuit — athletes, models, actresses, creative types.

Maybe this flies against the manosphere idea that women are inherently unintelligent/unoriginal/uninteresting.

Your Dad is a wise man. There's nothing wrong with women being inherently unintelligent, unoriginal and uninteresting, if you judge them by men's standards. They don't need to be intelligent, original and interesting to nurture us, relax us, entertain us and please us.

I work with some women who have PhDs, including STEM degrees, and they're still boring as bat shit, on top of being out of shape, ugly and having feminist attitudes.

My fiancee will be university-educated, but I couldn't care less about her degree, and since she met me, she said she'd rather not go to uni and spend time serving me instead.

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Then again, my Dad has a lot of Red pill beliefs. He has praised the practice of Japanese women walking 3 steps behind their husbands (I don't even think they do that, but certain Muslim cultures?), in very disdainful of SJWs, and isn't supportive of my little sister lifting.

I really like your Dad now. My fiancee always walks behind me (not that far, as she wants to hold on to my arm with both of hers), and also stands behind me when photos are taken of us. She does this all by herself, I don't even need to say anything. I get a lot of hateful looks from the HR-hairdo or neon-coloured haired feminist freaks walking down the streets, with her walking behind, head down and holding onto my right arms while I practice shadow boxing with my left arm, not fully paying attention to her.

I'm a powerlifter, I have coached many people including women to lift weights, but I do not coach my woman to lift, and she knows she doesn't want to either. I however teach her plenty of exercises using bodyweight and bands to improve her fitness and shape her body to please me.

Lifting heavy weights not only changes women physically but mentally in a masculine direction. You don't want that.

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And I won't lie; I think some of these limiting beliefs still hang above me to this day, when I'd thought I'd qualms relating to height and race shelved away. I've bartended at venues that draw in tall, huge meatheads and willowy model types. Standing at 181 cm (me) can be squarely below average on an all right night. I can see why one can feel out of his depth at times in terms of self worth. And with mindsets like this, sure, even bartenders can cop rejections, or not be motivated to close.

Get stronger physically, those will melt away. I'm all of 170cm and I never have any problem next to those taller guys, and one thing that helps a lot is that I tend to be much stronger than they are, so I don't feel smaller.

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My sense of urgency is more regarding how it's been a journey that's taken years (see my first paragraph) coupled with my noticing lately that many of the best girls get snapped up young.

While it is true that the best girls get snapped up young, the right response to this is to find and date young girls. Rushing yourself while you're only still 28 is not the right response, and the extra eagerness might just scare them off. Those quality young women love older established men. My fiancee and the older women in her family were very happy when they learned that I'm almost 10 years older than her.

[kikuyu1]

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Buy a tarantula. A Chilean Rose specifically since they are not aggressive. I am dead serious. Get one, keep it in a container and don't interact without aside from throwing food in every so often.

I'm sorry for derailing a unique thread but what the actual fuck!? There's a reason Normal Human People keep away from creepy crawlies,I'm in Africa;I know.

[Kid Twist]

(08-09-2016 03:50 PM)Tengen Wrote:  

This is also important, because as it's been discussed here time and again the Big City life seems to corrupt young, innocent, marriageable girls very quickly. Outside of leaving for another country and getting married, your second-best bet is to find marriageable girls that are coming to your city, and catching them before it's too late - another reason why game is essential.

Even if they resist the call to become a tinder slut, the Big City will put ideas in her head of being a Strong Independent Woman ™.

This is the killer for those of us who live in bigger (northern) cities.
That "tm" superscript made me chuckle.

[John Michael Kane]

Just out of curiosity, what are your respective ages when you two first met? And now? Also, how long was the total amount of time you knew each other/dated before getting hitched?

[StrikeBack]

She was 22.5, I was 32. I'm turning 34 next year. Total amount of time: close to 1.5 years, we were engaged after 9 months in.

[tlan76]

Sounds like piss poor planning to me...who proposes (or commands in your words) without a ring? And what does being Christian have to do with "submitting to her man?" You sound like a total tool who needs his woman to "submit" to him or a woman he "commands".

[Mercenary]

(12-26-2016 01:42 AM)tlan76 Wrote:  

Sounds like piss poor planning to me...who proposes (or commands in your words) without a ring? And what does being Christian have to do with "submitting to her man?" You sound like a total tool who needs his woman to "submit" to him or a woman he "commands".

[eskimobobseal]

Nice of the troll to bump an awesome thread I haven't seen before.

If OP is still around, congratulations. Your story is inspiring.

For everyone else, this is yet another reason why you need to find a true bible believing woman if you want to get married. You guys already know this, but submission (referenced multiple times in Ephesians) is something these women take very seriously.