[Excelsior]

I was just recently checking out Gmacs excellent blog, and I came across a post which touched upon the subject of becoming a sex god, and how beneficial it is.

I agree with it completely, and it got me thinking: wouldn't it be useful if we had one place where we could share tips, resources and wisdom that could prove useful in making younger men better lovers? I've seen a couple of other forums with sections/threads talking about this, but we don't have one here it seems.

Most guys are as clueless about sexual technique as they are about game (and how to apply it), and we all know that the ability to provide good sex can be just as potent in keeping a woman as good game can be.

So I created this thread in order to allow those who felt so inclined to share resources they'd found (online, books, etc) and ideas they had established (what to do, what not to do, etc) that could help guys become better gamers and lovers.

[Excelsior]

I'll start with one pornographic example I found quite useful personally: Pierre Woodman.

For those who aren't familiar with him, Woodman is a pretty prolific pornographer. He was the first guy to really tap into the Eastern European market for girls, and most of the bigger European names in porn that came about from 1990-Present were discovered by him.

He has a huge production company and has made a lot of big budget pornos, but those aren't very useful for observation. His best videos are his castings.

These videos are essentially amateur (the girls are new to porn, with many going on to become pornstars later), and I find them to be quite authentic.
You can see for yourself what they're like. Many more can be found online if you know where to look.

I feel there is a lot to be learned from observing Woodman's technique (position, tempo, hand placement, etc) judging from the reactions you can see from the women-they are either, unlike most women in porn, freakishly good actors (and somehow forgot this acting skill in the later pornos they make where they are visibly less enthusiastic/authentic) or this guy (who has had thousands of women) actually knows how to turn them on.

Either way, the guy seems to know what he's doing and cues should be taken from him IMO.

Another source I'm familiar with is Lee Jenkins' Female Orgasm Black Book, which you can download here (learn to use torrents if you don't already know how).
His advice is supposedly quite similar to the oral technique that Woodman uses.

[MrPink]

Quote:

I was just recently checking out Gmacs excellent blog, and I came across a post which touched upon the subject of becoming a sex god, and how beneficial it is.

Very true. For those of you who, like me, have terrible game, becoming a sex-god is a good shortcut to getting more pussy. You then only need to work on getting the girl to your bed, and the rest is history.

A while ago, I got hold of an eBook called "Secret Orgasm Tips", by someone calling himself "The Master".

Overall the book is too long for what it teaches so I don't recommend buying it. But there are a couple of useful bedroom skills to be learned that will leave chicks swooning after you've f*cked them.

You can PM me if you can't find a torrent for it.

[vinman]

I prefer to merge sex with MMA. Women love to be dominated (and rear naked choked). And highly educated women who use their education, positions, or status to intimidate are extremely likely to want to play the submissive.

[tenderman100]

You must learn to eat pussy. At some point I will find the Nina Hartley video where she talks about how to successfully go down and post the link.

One woman I was with had never orgasmed while she was being eaten. She did with me. Now, when she masturbates, she imagines me eating her.

When your technique is imprinted into a woman's imagination...well, you may not be a god, but close to it.

[MiXX]

One of the key things in these casting scenarios is that he has a local female present (fully dressed) - He could have gotten a male translator, but instead it is THE WOMAN present that builds the critical comfort to the point where girls undress, and since they are essentially talking to another woman, compliance will be easier. The woman pressent sends the message "It's OK, you are NOT a slut or whore if you do this" Let's not forget the fact that women are showing up to PRIVATE hotel rooms, and are usually cast while tehy are sitting ibn a bed...it does not take a scientist to figure out why you are there, and if she chose to go to a casting call, she has already agreed to sex in her mind. Now she just needs to be pulled through.

You can apply the same concepts on the street when you surround yourself with women or go out with Wing Girls....women make other women comfortable about having sex, becuase after all, it is women that cast girls as sluts - not men.

Notice how the first girl (that ran away) returned only after she talked with her girlfriend already doing it, and she told her it was "Ok". female pre-approved.

My point is that it's not that he is a sex god - he knows that female pre-approval is paramount factor to comfort and trust building.

Once a girls trusts and feels comfortable with you, she will do just about anything you ask....seriously.

Once she is undressed, its just a matter fo slowly touching a caressing....and she's yours.



Mixx

[Moma]

(07-31-2011 09:59 AM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

You must learn to eat pussy. At some point I will find the Nina Hartley video where she talks about how to successfully go down and post the link.

One woman I was with had never orgasmed while she was being eaten. She did with me. Now, when she masturbates, she imagines me eating her.

When your technique is imprinted into a woman's imagination...well, you may not be a god, but close to it.

You are right. I generally don't eat pussy but since my discovery of baking soda, I might sprinkle some on that gooch before undertaking..

[tenderman100]

Would it be worth posting links to some porn videos that show really good technique? I have a select few favorites that I'd be happy to share.

[Basil Ransom]

When making out and groping, find out what she likes. Give her a little of everything. French kiss, nibble and tongue her ear, bite her lip, choke her slightly, pull her hair, cup her jaw, grab the back of her head, squeeze her ass, lick her breasts, squeeze her hands, clasp her wrists, thrust her against a wall. You'll eventually find what she likes, and she'll let you know audibly.

See if she's a freak by fingering her and then putting the fingers in her mouth.

Fingering 101: When you finger her, have your palm face you and insert your middle and ring finger into her vag. Use your opposing thumb to keep her in place and maximize pressure with your fingers. Make a "come here" motion with your fingers. Feel for a spongy layer on the front wall of her vagina, the wall closer to you. That is her g-spot. Some girls respond very well to it, some not so much.

(07-31-2011 10:33 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

One of the key things in these casting scenarios is that he has a local female present (fully dressed) - He could have gotten a male translator, but instead it is THE WOMAN present that builds the critical comfort to the point where girls undress, and since they are essentially talking to another woman, compliance will be easier. The woman pressent sends the message "It's OK, you are NOT a slut or whore if you do this"

Not always. In the third vid he has a male translator.

The response he gets still astounds me. But the girls don't know they're being filmed until afterwards, where he tries to get their permission to release it. Woodman said he has loads of videos he can't release. Plus there may be a significant lapse of time between the initial meeting and the sex, as in months. Even the sex may be much longer than it is, where much of the 'warming up' is edited out. Woodman has amazing technique, truly a "rutting chimpanzee." It's strange how few male pornstars even try to ape him.

Question for everyone: Have you ever successfully gone down on a girl who has never banged you, and isn't ready to bang, and then after oral she consents to sex? This is after you've fingered her, and she's still saying no. In my experience, girls are very self conscious about oral, and going down on them too early can seem desperate. But I'm curious.

Edited question after Tenderman's response. Thanks for the response tenderman. And post those clips. Here are some interesting gym exercises, that are probably useful for enhancing your fuck muscles. Will try them soon. SFW.

Of course, barbell squats are great as well.

[tenderman100]

Also, remember Roissy's 14th Commandment of Poon:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixte...s-of-poon/

Quote:

XIV. Fuck her good

Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.

[tenderman100]

(07-31-2011 11:06 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

Question for everyone: Have you ever successfully gone down on a girl who has never banged you, and isn't ready to bang, and then after oral she consents to sex? In my experience, girls are very self conscious about oral, and going down on them too early can seem desperate. But I'm curious.

One night I was over at this woman's apt -- black chick, very sexy -- I cooked her dinner, and as I made my move, she said she was really interested in another guy.

I shrugged it off, and after a while gave her a shoulder massage...and started to kiss her on the neck. Then I whispered in her ear, "You know you'd love to get your pussy licked."

She relented, and said, "no fucking." "Ok," I said. Went into her bedroom, ate her out, she had a couple of orgasms, I crawled up to kiss her, made out, getting her to taste herself, rubbed her pussy, and said, "It will feel great if I slide it in there."

"Please!"

And I did.

[MiXX]

It's one thing to be an international playboy, and another to be a scam artist. This weasel scams his way to get sex, including paying other females to act as "translators" and hotel staff.

I was going to do something similar like this last year (In USA) to see if it was really true girls are so gullible, but I was not gonna go thru with the sex, it was just a field study. However, it seems more plausible in Eastern Europe and South America.

Albeit, the girls deserve it for being so stupid and naive. He still gets no respect from true Int'l playboys like me.

My .02

Mixx

[tenderman100]

In my view, this is one of the greatest porn videos of all time.

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=710211270

There's a brief snippet at the beginning from a previous contretemps, then it gets into the scene proper.

It's the great Manuel Ferrara. By the time the scene is over, the girl is a complete wreck. Manny follows Roissy's commandment to the letter.

[loosewin]

Interesting. Check out his wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Woodman

question: do you guys really go all out like this guy does in the videos for a one night stand?

Resource: E-book called Sex God Method. Not really for technique but more of the psychological aspect of sex. e.g. dominance etc.

[MiXX]

(07-31-2011 11:42 AM)loosewin Wrote:  

Interesting. Check out his wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Woodman

question: do you guys really go all out like this guy does in the videos for a one night stand?

Resource: E-book called Sex God Method. Not really for technique but more of the psychological aspect of sex. e.g. dominance etc.

Like I said: scam artists.

The girls are all PAID porn actors!

From wiki:

"The scenes are typically filmed in hotel rooms, usually in Central Europe. The film scenarios present the actresses as if they do not really know what the porn director does. The storyline of the film presents Woodman as showing the girls a Private magazine or some pornographic images and invites them to do something similar. In some of the castings he can be seen twisting women's arms and slapping them."

No way a normal, average girl is going to show up to a private hotel room and see a porn magazine and be "softened" into sex with a hairy, out-of-shape, old french dude.

However, lots of guys dig in their wallets to buy his shit. So, more power to him for finding his gimmick that sells $$$ big, and his actresses are paid 1/2 of what Western ones make.

Mixx

[Gmac]

I thought of doing a technical write-up at some point but there are a lot of guys that have already covered the topic extensively (as discussed above). I'm not trying to re-invent the wheel if I don't have to.

The most important techniques to master in my opinion:

*Clitoral stimulation - All women like different motions (orally or not), so communication is critical. If she's getting really wet, you're at least doing something right. Work from there. Non-verbal cues can be tough to pick up on when you're starting out, and a lot of girls are so used to guys being bad lays they stop trying to teach men how they like it (or they don't know how to or feel comfortable with direct communication). ASK.

*G-spot stimulation - Like I mentioned on my blog post, you can achieve this with penetration if your dick is long enough (average) to reach it or with your fingers. Different positions work better than others, I prefer these: http://www.mademan.com/mm/5-best-positio...-spot.html (modified missionary, doggie, and reverse cowgirl being my personal favorites).

*Thrusting - Jack-hammering is great when you're trying to finish but thrusting or rotating your cock at different angles, going all the way in and out, and holding her in place if she's inexperienced goes a long way.

*Dominance - Unless you're experimenting with some BDSM stuff, don't be a submissive guy, period. Most women don't dig it at all. Take charge, be powerful, PULL HER HAIR, slap her ass hard, call her a dirty slut, and you'll succeed in really turning her on.

[tenderman100]

(07-31-2011 12:08 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

*Thrusting - Jack-hammering is great when you're trying to finish but thrusting or rotating your cock at different angles, going all the way in and out, and holding her in place if she's inexperienced goes a long way.

A great variation on this missionary style is what I would call the "plank" -- you get in a push up position, hovering over her...and you pound her hard, then rotate slow, then fast, the put it all the way in and don't move. Rinse, repeat, vary. She doesn't feel your weight on top of her, just your cock and only the necessary pelvic contact to get it in there.

Invariably she will feel the tension in your arms, your triceps flexed and hard. She will sense you are working to please her. It will turn her on.

[tenderman100]

Gmac Wrote:  

*Dominance - Unless you're experimenting with some BDSM stuff, don't be a submissive guy, period. Most women don't dig it at all. Take charge, be powerful, PULL HER HAIR, slap her ass hard, call her a dirty slut, and you'll succeed in really turning her on.

Can't emphasize this enough. The only time you cede control is when YOU let her have it.

[Excelsior]

(07-31-2011 12:00 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Like I said: scam artists.

The girls are all PAID porn actors!

In his defense, this isn't quite true.

Pierre gets the girls from modeling agencies and from contacts in these countries(some of whom are his old girls) who know girls that are interested in modeling (softcore or hardcore).

The girls are new to the industry in the videos you see-they haven't done porn before and can't quite be called "porn actors"(pornstars) yet. As you see them, they are simply girls looking (or thinking about) breaking into the softcore/hardcore modeling industry because it pays well. Pierre just find them, games them a little, and "initiates" them. Most of them obviously enjoy it, and some do become his girlfriends and "assistants" afterwards, helping him recruit new girls.

They're certainly not clueless-some of the girls are aware of Pierre's reputation and his job beforehand, and may have a rough idea of what to expect. Pierre has also arranged for some of them to get tested beforehand.

They're not actors, though. The sex is authentic, and the girls are (at the time) really just amateurs, which makes it useful for us because the technique is legit and not played up much for a camera (which many of the girls don't know is there, further adding to the authenticity).

As for his persona, I agree he can seem a bit sleazy, but we're not here to judge morality-afterall, wider society might assign the same labels to us just for posting the things we do on this forum.

And judging from what I know of Pierre's background and childhood(he has an HBO documentary out) and your own history, MiXX, you two actually might have a lot in common (save for some of the sneaky/sleazy stuff, of course).

[Neo]

(07-31-2011 11:06 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

Fingering 101: When you finger her, have your palm face you and insert your middle and ring finger into her vag. Use your opposing thumb to keep her in place and maximize pressure with your fingers. Make a "come here" motion with your fingers. Feel for a spongy layer on the front wall of her vagina, the wall closer to you. That is her g-spot. Some girls respond very well to it, some not so much.

To add to this one thing I've done which girls have loved is to gently press with your other hand palm down over the top of her pussy(imagine trying to touch the palm of the hand pressing down on top with the fingers inside her) It helps increase the pressure on her g-spot.

I've found overall with most girls that gentle clitoral stimulation works best at first to amp her up by gently rubbing her clit up and down. Then once she's really turned on and her clit is engorged rubbing in a faster circular motion can get her to orgasm or get her close to it.

The advice in this thread matches my experience. Even the most innocent girls I've been with all eventually liked getting banged hard, having their hair pulled and being dominated. Some may just need to be 'trained' to get to that point.

Giving a girl the good dick pretty much trumps everything else in my opinion. Once you bang her well she'll keep coming back for more and you can pretty much do whatever you want.

[Excelsior]

(07-31-2011 12:08 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

*G-spot stimulation - Like I mentioned on my blog post, you can achieve this with penetration if your dick is long enough (average) to reach it or with your fingers. Different positions work better than others, I prefer these: http://www.mademan.com/mm/5-best-positio...-spot.html (modified missionary, doggie, and reverse cowgirl being my personal favorites).

Fantastic article. A couple of things I wanted to add for anyone else reading:

-Modified missionary is absolutely essential-you have got to get her legs up and her butt off the ground to make the most out of the position and allow you easier access. You don't need a pillow all the time, though-I find simply leaning forward and forcing her legs back with my arms (as Pierre often does) to be quite sufficient in raising her hips and improving the angle of entry.
tenderman's "plank" is awesome too.

-When in doggystyle, I find putting my hands on her shoulders to be quite useful.
A. It tests her for submissiveness, and helps with the dominance angle you need to portray.
B. Allows for an even easier and firmer rhythmic stroke via greater control of her body relative to mine.
C. Can create a slightly greater arch in her back, which, in my experience, makes it even easier to hit her more sensitive spots.
Using her hair can have these effects too, at least to some extent.

-Face down, ass-up is a highly underrated position as well, in my experience. I find it highly effective, and it is easy to transition to from a more conventional doggie.

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*Thrusting - Jack-hammering is great when you're trying to finish but thrusting or rotating your cock at different angles, going all the way in and out, and holding her in place if she's inexperienced goes a long way.

It seems as though a lot of dudes just can't use their hips in any meaningful way. Surf on over to Xvideos and you'll see it in many of the amateur/euro/asian vids-guys just have no stroke/rhythm, and will either jack hammer or go soft on it. Training for hip strength and flexibility ought to be a priority for any guy who wants to become a good lover. Barbell squats are your friend.

That whole talk about the "motion in the ocean" is really quite accurate.

[Excelsior]

Visuals of what basil and Neo were talking about regarding fingering:

[Screwston]

Can every girl squirt? I made one girl do it and that shit was crazy.

[Excelsior]

[amistod]

Here is my method:

I have studied much game, NLP and have had experiences with girls of a variety of slut levels. This is what I have developed for use with mini-relationships or girlfriends. I do not know how well this would work in a ONS situation.

I feel like I have perfected this move with the virgin I am laying now.

I basically use a Pavlov meets NLP technique to brainwash them in to doing what I want.

When you are both lying in the bed, position yourself to be the big spoon. Put your left arm underneath her neck, wrapping around to fondle the breast and use your right arm on top of her to loosen clothing/stimulate her clit.

Start kissing her neck, breathing heavily in her ear and nibbling her neck until she is writhing. In that hot whisper voice hit her inner ear with: "I have been thinking about your XXXXX all day long. It drives me crazy". Just make this up, if you have to. Once she is feeling it, you can start stabbing her some in the rear.. no penetration...yet.

Once you have her sufficiently warmed up, you say: "I bet that XXXXX is just dripping wet with anticipation". Move your right hand between her legs. When she jumps in excitment, you then go rigid, holding her in place with your left arm and pressing her in close to you. You can even throw your right leg over to keep it tight. Keep hot and heavy on her neck, ears and breast.

You know that place a girl goes on her way to orgasm? Like those minutes before, where it almost seems like a lucid dream state? Work her up to that level by doing what I stated above. This is when I hit her with the real dirty talk, whatever I feel like doing that night.

I am basically trying to create salivation when topics I choose are brought up.

Another good example is to always rub her when she is going down on you.. tell her how naughty she is because she gets this wet doing this.. Eventually, it becomes accepted that A triggers B and when she needs to get wet for sex she will start by going down. (doubles as getting you wet for you raw doggers)

As far as the G spot stuff goes.. I really like lying down, woman on top.. then get her to lean very far back. Your head can feel that spongy part, too.

Hope that was clear, love to hear your thoughts and questions.