[RexImperator]

This was a decent article posted in the London thread: "Islam and the French Republic":

https://medium.com/@b_judah/islam-and-th....usm7e748c

[Fortis]

(07-14-2016 07:54 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 07:40 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

France and other weak western European nations should come together and become an islamic state named Cuckistan.

Just give up.

If you're not going to defend your people against this bullshit then at least give in the aggressor stops.

A few days ago, you want people banned for discussing race differences, now you want Europeans to forcibly remove millions of brown people?

So a joke about how Western Europe should rename itself to Cuckistan means I want to forcibly remove millions of brown people?

Right, buddy. Good try.

[budoslavic]

[1026]

Interested to hear what the French President has to say of this in his press conference...

I really need some sleep its approaching 4AM here.

[1026]

Interested to hear what the French President has to say of this his press conference.

[aeroektar]

(07-14-2016 07:59 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 07:48 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

Explain how you stop people who have devoted their lives to an ideology of bloodlust from plowing a truck into a crowd of innocent people, rigging up homemade explosives and wandering into public spaces, acquiring caches of weapons and opening fire on innocent natives that their god prescribes them to kill?

The following will do it:

1. Aggressive and intrusive operations inside the worst Muslim neighborhoods; as in, 30-50 special forces guys descending on a supposed "no go" neighborhood and cleaning it up, rounding up and detaining/deporting dozens or hundreds of suspects, known ISIS sympathizers, agitators, etc, killing quite a few of them in the process. Repeated many times.

2. The above followed by very aggressive policing of these neighborhoods. No more "no go" zones, no more free for all. Any mosques, schools, "community centers" and other places of gathering where propaganda was going on are shut down. A policy of zero tolerance for the spread of ISIS ideology.

3. Close the borders, no more "refugees" or "migrants". A substantial portion of current refugees (non-citizens) are deported, especially younger males.

4. A complete military defeat of the ISIS state on the ground, their army destroyed, their leaders and commanders killed, all their territory reconquered.

All of this is easily doable given the political will, it does not require "civil war", "genocide", or even a mass expulsion of all or most Muslims from Europe. The political will is a matter of a few more attacks on the scale of Nice.

None of that will happen under current leadership, even with a change of leadership its walking a tightrope trying to sort this out. Remember the raids after Paris, or even Boston when it was 2 guys? There's major resistance, shootouts and explosions, now imagine that times 1,000. Extremist cells throughout Europe would see the writing on the wall and blow their load, it would be war and large chunks of cities would resemble Aleppo.

Even barring the ISIS and extremist shitstains you still have the issues of a 1000% increase in rape, girls cant swim in public pools without some guy jacking off in front of them, unskilled unemployable people, the list goes on.

It just seems like its too far gone, and its saddening as someone of French and German and heritage.

[Nineteen84]

Video: Gunfire


Truck Video A

Truck Video B

[CJ_W]

Live Cnn feed on youtube. . .


Most important part are the live comments 99% of the comments align with what we talk about here lol Maybe the tide is turning.

[911]

The truck plowed through 2 kilometers of the crowded Promenade des Anglais seaside boulevard. The driver was shot dead at that point, the truck windshield is riddled with bullet holes.

78 dead, including one police officer and many children, 20 critically injured.

[porscheguy]

I'm not signed up to twiiter and thise assholes are trying to censor the videos. They want you to sign in to change your settings to allow the video to be seen. Fuck them. The videos are already getting posted on liveleak.

[Nineteen84]

   

[OCZ]

http://www.nicematin.com/faits-divers/in...mion-64855
The driver is suspected to be a 31 year old male from Tunisian origin. What a surprise! I wanna see those liberals and their flag and hashtags.

[RaccoonFace]

(07-14-2016 08:46 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 07:59 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 07:48 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

Explain how you stop people who have devoted their lives to an ideology of bloodlust from plowing a truck into a crowd of innocent people, rigging up homemade explosives and wandering into public spaces, acquiring caches of weapons and opening fire on innocent natives that their god prescribes them to kill?

The following will do it:

1. Aggressive and intrusive operations inside the worst Muslim neighborhoods; as in, 30-50 special forces guys descending on a supposed "no go" neighborhood and cleaning it up, rounding up and detaining/deporting dozens or hundreds of suspects, known ISIS sympathizers, agitators, etc, killing quite a few of them in the process. Repeated many times.

2. The above followed by very aggressive policing of these neighborhoods. No more "no go" zones, no more free for all. Any mosques, schools, "community centers" and other places of gathering where propaganda was going on are shut down. A policy of zero tolerance for the spread of ISIS ideology.

3. Close the borders, no more "refugees" or "migrants". A substantial portion of current refugees (non-citizens) are deported, especially younger males.

4. A complete military defeat of the ISIS state on the ground, their army destroyed, their leaders and commanders killed, all their territory reconquered.

All of this is easily doable given the political will, it does not require "civil war", "genocide", or even a mass expulsion of all or most Muslims from Europe. The political will is a matter of a few more attacks on the scale of Nice.

None of that will happen under current leadership, even with a change of leadership its walking a tightrope trying to sort this out. Remember the raids after Paris, or even Boston when it was 2 guys? There's major resistance, shootouts and explosions, now imagine that times 1,000. Extremist cells throughout Europe would see the writing on the wall and blow their load, it would be war and large chunks of cities would resemble Aleppo.

Even barring the ISIS and extremist shitstains you still have the issues of a 1000% increase in rape, girls cant swim in public pools without some guy jacking off in front of them, unskilled unemployable people, the list goes on.

It just seems like its too far gone, and its saddening as someone of French and German and heritage.

While I agree with TLOZ's solutions this is a key point. Only the nationalist parties will enforce these kind of policies, they will never happen under the establishment left or right. Merkel, Sarkozy and Cameron belong to these so called 'right-wing' parties and they all said multiculturalism was a failure back in 2010, but look at what they did afterwards...

FN didn't win a single region in the second round of the regional elections in December. The French people failed themselves with that decision and as long as these keep electing establishment cucks, whether they are left or right wing, the solutions that TLOZ proposes won't happen and they deserve everything that's coming to them up until they elect Front National.

[Nineteen84]

(07-14-2016 08:53 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

I'm not signed up to twiiter and thise assholes are trying to censor the videos. They want you to sign in to change your settings to allow the video to be seen. Fuck them. The videos are already getting posted on liveleak.

Interesting - in the UK I am not signed in and I have this instead and just click 'view content':
   

[porscheguy]

(07-14-2016 08:56 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 08:53 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

I'm not signed up to twiiter and thise assholes are trying to censor the videos. They want you to sign in to change your settings to allow the video to be seen. Fuck them. The videos are already getting posted on liveleak.

Interesting - in the UK I am not signed in and I have this instead and just click 'view content':

That's the message here.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(07-14-2016 08:46 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

None of that will happen under current leadership, even with a change of leadership its walking a tightrope trying to sort this out. Remember the raids after Paris, or even Boston when it was 2 guys? There's major resistance, shootouts and explosions, now imagine that times 1,000. Extremist cells throughout Europe would see the writing on the wall and blow their load, it would be war and large chunks of cities would resemble Aleppo.

Not at all. European military/special forces/police can bring overwhelming firepower to bear when needed. These people would have no idea what hit them, sometimes quite literally. Any sporadic resistance to such policing/cleanup operations would be crushed very quickly and this would in no way require a "war" or destroy large chunks of cities. Sure, they would probably be able to pull off a few more attacks once they see their time is up -- and some of those could be nasty -- but after that they would be brought to their knees in short order.

ISIS is a paper tiger. It can be crushed -- and the Muslim population largely subdued -- with relative ease, given the political will. That political will, again, is a matter of a few more events on this scale. I don't know if this one will do it -- probably not -- but it's not the case that things will just go on in this way forever.

[Dusty]

Where do I go to sing Imagine?

[Teutatis]

(07-14-2016 07:59 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 07:48 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

Explain how you stop people who have devoted their lives to an ideology of bloodlust from plowing a truck into a crowd of innocent people, rigging up homemade explosives and wandering into public spaces, acquiring caches of weapons and opening fire on innocent natives that their god prescribes them to kill?

The following will do it:

1. Aggressive and intrusive operations inside the worst Muslim neighborhoods; as in, 30-50 special forces guys descending on a supposed "no go" neighborhood and cleaning it up, rounding up and detaining/deporting dozens or hundreds of suspects, known ISIS sympathizers, agitators, etc, killing quite a few of them in the process. Repeated many times.

2. The above followed by very aggressive policing of these neighborhoods. No more "no go" zones, no more free for all. Any mosques, schools, "community centers" and other places of gathering where propaganda was going on are shut down. A policy of zero tolerance for the spread of ISIS ideology.

3. Close the borders, no more "refugees" or "migrants". A substantial portion of current refugees (non-citizens) are deported, especially younger males.

4. A complete military defeat of the ISIS state on the ground, their army destroyed, their leaders and commanders killed, all their territory reconquered.

All of this is easily doable given the political will, it does not require "civil war", "genocide", or even a mass expulsion of all or most Muslims from Europe. The political will is a matter of a few more attacks on the scale of Nice.

I don't disagree but this will never happen under the current western zeitgeist, but assuming that it did, it would lead to massive muslim attacks on the police and population, leading eventually to a "civil war" and/or "genocide" as muslims would never accept these measures adn would revolt. No, Europe is lost because the only way to deal with the muslim sickness is to destroy and eradicate it from the continent, which is something no one is willing to even discuss, much less do.

[tomtud]

French Tunisian citizen ID found in the truck. Doesn't look like some Buddhist from Tibet.

[Disco_Volante]

the CNN headline : Truck driver kills 70+ in Nice. No mention of terror, Islam,....

[RaccoonFace]

(07-14-2016 09:03 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

Where do I go to sing Imagine?

I lost a lot of respect for (((Shapiro))) during the last few months, but this is a great breakdown of that cringe worthy song.

[YossariansRight]

The French president, the same pile of shit that endorsed Hitlery! is speaking now. France may fall to the Mohammadens soon. Yep, let's elect someone that's in any way remotely politically aligned with that garbage.

[aeroektar]

(07-14-2016 08:59 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 08:46 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

None of that will happen under current leadership, even with a change of leadership its walking a tightrope trying to sort this out. Remember the raids after Paris, or even Boston when it was 2 guys? There's major resistance, shootouts and explosions, now imagine that times 1,000. Extremist cells throughout Europe would see the writing on the wall and blow their load, it would be war and large chunks of cities would resemble Aleppo.

Not at all. European military/special forces/police can bring overwhelming firepower to bear when needed. These people would have no idea what hit them, sometimes quite literally. Any sporadic resistance to such policing/cleanup operations would be crushed very quickly and this would in no way require a "war" or destroy large chunks of cities. Sure, they would probably be able to pull off a few more attacks once they see their time is up -- and some of those could be nasty -- but after that they would be brought to their knees in short order.

ISIS is a paper tiger. It can be crushed -- and the Muslim population largely subdued -- with relative ease, given the political will. That political will, again, is a matter of a few more events on this scale. I don't know if this one will do it -- probably not -- but it's not the case that things will just go on in this way forever.

I agree that ISIS can be crushed fairly easily in the middle east with the political will to do so, it just seems more complicated when hundreds of thousands with the same extreme ideology are living amongst natives in European cities.

Only time will tell.

[RexImperator]

Assuming this is ISIS, the appeal and drawing power of ISIS stems largely from the fact that they control physical territory which is the declared caliphate. There was an article in the Atlantic (I believe), linked in the ISIS thread, which was quite good in explaining their ideology.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(07-14-2016 09:04 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

I don't disagree but this will never happen under the current western zeitgeist, but assuming that it did, it would lead to massive muslim attacks on the police and population, leading eventually to a "civil war" and/or "genocide" as muslims would never accept these measures adn would revolt.

Not so. This ISIS stuff is a fever -- it needs to break, and the only way it will break is when they are defeated in the Middle East and beaten and bruised in Europe.

You are assuming that the Muslim population has some sort of deep commitment to this specific ideology that will survive any punitive measures and facts on the ground. That's not the case.

Many current ISIS sympathizers and even actual terrorists were completely secular not so long ago and can easily be so again. It's an ideological fever that exists for a number of reasons which are essentially psychological and sexual in nature. It can be broken and the Muslim population in Europe can be largely subdued and pacified. They will also have greater respect for the west -- and a greater desire to assimilate -- once they encounter something like a firm hand in response to their out of control loser antics.