[IronShark]

Nigel Farage, the former leader of UKIP, has resigned officially after Brexit referendum.

I understand that there is a thread for British EU Referendum. However, I believe we need a separate thread to discuss what is like to happen to UKIP after Farage's resignation. This is important because UKIP was the only party who campaigned for Leave despite all other parties voting for Remain, including Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, Green Party, and SNP on the other side of the Hadrian Wall.

The question we need to address now is not "who is going to replace him and become the party's new leader". The main issue is whether UKIP will have any future without him.

So, basically many people on our side want to see is someone with personality, backbone and a no-nonsense attitude take the helm, say Steven Woolfe for example, someone who will structure the party secularly with socially conservative foundations, promoting sound domestic policies, anti-globalism and etc. It's the perfect time to set the party properly on its journey to Westminster.

However, UKIP has started to become infested with limp wristed liberals such as Douglas Carswell et al, so they do fear they will see this as their opportunity to strike. Douglas Carswell, Suzanne Evans and Paul Nuttall are a triangle who can derail UKIP and cuck it. These guys are definitely the Troika of cucks. They will have to be watched very carefully.

On the underdog race there is another option, Raheem Kassam. And I personally want him to win. Raheem was Nigel's advisor till last year. He's now Brietbart London editor. He knows UK politics well. And also he is known to British media. There was a poll recently on Twitter, and he came out with the most votes, but obviously that's just Twitter. On the real ground, he doesn't have much support within National Committee who are bunch of Cucks. I also remember last year another UKIP cuck, Patrick O'Flynn, said Raheem gives "a thin-skinned Tea Party face" to UKIP.

The cucked committee will likely fan the flames of an on-going civil war within the party, leading to it being crippled. I can't really think of anyone else who would be suitable.

Looking at the party's talent pool and what they stand for, it seems to me that UKIP has no future without Nigel. He was the only "Alt-Right" guy there. I've personally been in few UKIP conferences. Not impressed at all. Unfortunately, there are too many gays and women holding key positions.

Our country is desperate for a real conservative party. The majority of people voted against what traditional parties told them despite all the lies they had been told. Mainstream political parties are so out of touch and fail to address the people they supposed to represent. In reality, The Labour Party doesn't like the poor and The Conservatives don't like the country. Can UKIP become the power to mobilisise them without Farage? I seriously doubt. In addition, it doesn't seem promising if UKIP has enough calibre to function as a party without Farage.

Also the insidious aspect of globalism is weaved heavily into each party; they're all so far removed from what they once were. If UKIP goes downhill what we'll see is low voter turnout, and a rise in street protest groups like the EDL, because there will be no proper channels for people to change things.

[Stadtaffe]

I really liked watching Nigel's speeches in the European parliament and in general he was fantastic. We need these parties like UKIP so badly, it's going to be a sorry situation if someone equally charismatic does not come to take his place. He wants his life back WTF isn't it duty for someone with such talent to lead?

It probably belongs in a different thread but will make brief mention, that there is some very unfortunate in-fighting in the Alternative für Deutschland party which has also weakened it. It's messed up the mainstream media and parties are so strong, our smaller conservative parties can't afford to go dropping the ball like this.. Especially when you are on a winning wicket after the Brexit.

[Fast Eddie]

UKIP has always been cucked. The sooner it goes the way of the Dodo the sooner a real nationalist party has room to emerge.

[IronShark]

That's very true. As I said apart from Farage, UKIP is pretty much a cucked party equivalent to mainstream Republican party.

Just look at one of their criterias on who can stand as their candidate:

"You will be vetted and your social media will be scrutinised. Please be aware that ‘liking’ or ‘sharing’ anything by a UKIP proscribed party will result in a failed vetting status. For the avoidance of doubt, the proscribed parties and organisations are:

British National Party
National Front
British Freedom Party
British People's Party
English Defence League
Britain First
UK First Party"

[IronShark]

This is what Colin Liddell has written about UKIP future after Farage:

"Now, with its best political asset gone, UKIP will stagger on for a while, driven by the career politicians it has attracted. It may attempt to rebrand itself and find new causes, but almost anything it does will reveal its effective redundancy in the aftermath of achieving its defining cause. This, combined with the delicious disarray in the Labour Party, means interesting times are ahead for British politics. This too may be remembered as one of Nigel's legacies, but, in effect, it is more a testament to the largely random nature of politics and human destiny."

Full article is available on Alternative Right blog. Please click here.

[britchard]

(07-10-2016 02:38 AM)IronShark Wrote:  

That's very true. As I said apart from Farage, UKIP is pretty much a cucked party equivalent to mainstream Republican party.

Just look at one of their criterias on who can stand as their candidate:

"You will be vetted and your social media will be scrutinised. Please be aware that ‘liking’ or ‘sharing’ anything by a UKIP proscribed party will result in a failed vetting status. For the avoidance of doubt, the proscribed parties and organisations are:

British National Party
National Front
British Freedom Party
British People's Party
English Defence League
Britain First
UK First Party"

That's just to stop any smear campaigns on their candidate and party. Having links with any of those groups mentioned would be a serious problem in UK politics.

UKIP can legitimately claim that it isn't a racist party, and this is accepted by the electorate bar the Corbyn supporting young champagne socialist types. However the other parties are so tied in with ultra-nationalist and even neo-nazi movements that they could never be accepted by the British public. The majority of their members may not be neo-nazis, but those parties do have a few nutters in there.

As for the UKIP leader, I think Nuttall or Kassam wouldn't be bad choices. Just not Carswell or Evans.

[IronShark]

(07-10-2016 03:26 AM)britchard Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 02:38 AM)IronShark Wrote:  

That's very true. As I said apart from Farage, UKIP is pretty much a cucked party equivalent to mainstream Republican party.

Just look at one of their criterias on who can stand as their candidate:

"You will be vetted and your social media will be scrutinised. Please be aware that ‘liking’ or ‘sharing’ anything by a UKIP proscribed party will result in a failed vetting status. For the avoidance of doubt, the proscribed parties and organisations are:

British National Party
National Front
British Freedom Party
British People's Party
English Defence League
Britain First
UK First Party"

That's just to stop any smear campaigns on their candidate and party. Having links with any of those groups mentioned would be a serious problem in UK politics.

UKIP can legitimately claim that it isn't a racist party, and this is accepted by the electorate bar the Corbyn supporting young champagne socialist types. However the other parties are so tied in with ultra-nationalist and even neo-nazi movements that they could never be accepted by the British public. The majority of their members may not be neo-nazis, but those parties do have a few nutters in there.

As for the UKIP leader, I think Nuttall or Kassam wouldn't be bad choices. Just not Carswell or Evans.

Nuttall is not standing for leadership and has given an official statement. And it seems that Kassam is backing Steven Woolfe

[rotekz]

Nigel is hosting a show on LBC radio right now for the next two hours.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/listen-live-3578

He's currently talking about Leadsom being stitched up by the establishment. Later on he will cover why he stepped down as UKIP leader.

[Going strong]

UKIP should ask Marion Marechal-Le Pen to become a British citizen and then name her as its new leader... Or, seriously, if they have a quite young, intelligent, fiercely conservative, beautiful woman within their ranks, they should promote her. Such is the nature of today successful politics: the Right needs charming, disarming female leaders, to force the media into accepting them (MSM media can't go that hard against a young woman)... (see the new anti-globalist mayor of Roma, too, and for example)

[IronShark]

Here is Raheem Kassam's latest analysis on the race.

The UKIP Leadership Contest: What’s REALLY Going On?

The short answer to the question is: no one really knows. And to the Douglas Carswells and Suzanne Evans of the world reading this: you don’t know either.

[I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE]

Can someone explain for someone NOT from the britbong islands why Farage resigned?

It seems bizarre for an outside observer. Wasn't Farage's life mission to rail against the EU and for a Brexit? So why is he throwing in the towel now that this has happened?

[rotekz]

Nigel has decided that his task of getting the democratic mandate to leave the EU has been fulfilled. He sees the ball as being firmly in the court of the majority holding conservatives and wants to step back and chill with his family. He's been fighting hard for a long time now and his family have suffered with all the hate that he gets.

UKIP have very little sway now with only one treacherous lame duck MP ...until the next GE. They have to find their legs without him. UKIP cannot rely on Farage going forward, as good as he is.

[IronShark]

Raheem Kassam on LBC: Suzanne Evans Just Insulted Entire UKIP Membership

[RexImperator]

Not sure if there is a general Nigel Farage thread elsewhere (if not we should start one), so I'll post this here:

[Rocha]

^^ I will give the first € to erect a statue to this Man.

[puckerman]

Nigel is the man. He is a great Brit.

[RatInTheWoods]

Wow he really serves it up.

How have they not assassinated him yet?

[Teedub]

For all the good he does in these speeches, I've lost a lot of respect for him recently. It's clear to me that Nigel Farage's biggest concern is simply Nigel Farage. He wrote an article saying that "racists almost took over UKIP" regarding Anne Marie Waters' failed bid to become leader.

She's fiercely against Islamisation and is a friend of Tommy Robinson et al. I'm thinking of joining her new party 'For Britain' - which has had a big upsurge in members since a recent tv hit piece and from UKIP defectors. Nigel on the other hand clearly doesn't really stand for anything apart from his own ego, happy to see Europe become Eurabia as long as he doesn't get called "racist".

[H1N1]

I don't know that Farage is 'selling out'. I think the problem for Farage is that people have always ascribed a more radical set of beliefs to him than I think he actually has. He's a free market capitalist, a staunch defender of the individual, and a proud Englishman. It is possible to be all of those things without holding any particularly reductive or extreme views on racial purity. Farage has also always been politically savvy - his position is that one needs to be able to have a debate about immigration etc. He recognises that stating a position prematurely in a debate that one is not yet allowed to have in the public domain, is simply imprudent. I'd be inclined to agree. Self immolation has not proven tremendously effective for the monks of Burma, and I doubt it should prove any more so for Western politicians, much as it might be nice to see a few of them give it a go.

[Teedub]

(11-29-2017 05:21 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

I don't know that Farage is 'selling out'. I think the problem for Farage is that people have always ascribed a more radical set of beliefs to him than I think he actually has. He's a free market capitalist, a staunch defender of the individual, and a proud Englishman. It is possible to be all of those things without holding any particularly reductive or extreme views on racial purity.

I'm not talking about race but Islam...something he used to openly discuss but appears to have retreated from. Not just retreaded from, but has now insisted that criticism of it is racist, as evidenced by the article I linked to, which he wrote.

If he's not prepared to discuss one of the most important issues in European politics, then others will - and he can't be surprised that he'll catch flak from former supporters.

[RexImperator]

I do recall during the Brexit campaign that he said once it was out, the U.K. could take more immigrants from India and Pakistan (former British Empire) and fewer from Europe, which was a very cucky thing to say...I suppose he wanted to deflect from being called a racist.

[budoslavic]

Report: Steve Bannon Meets with UK Grassroots Leader to Discuss How Populist Conservative Movement Can Win

Quote:

Former Trump chief strategist Steve Bannon met in London on Thursday with Jacob Rees-Mogg, Conservative Member of Parliament and “a favourite among Conservative members to be the next party leader,” according to The Guardian.
Breitbart London Editor in Chief Raheem Kassam set up Bannon’s meetings with Rees-Mogg and other UK political figures, including former UKIP leader Nigel Farage, to discuss how the populist conservative movement can win in Britain.

Rowena Mason and Heather Stewart report in The Guardian:

Asked about the meetings, Kassam said: “Brexit and the election of President Trump were inextricably linked, so the discussions focused on how we move forward with winning for the conservative movements on both sides of the pond, how you build movements, on the ground and digitally, and what Steve’s brand of economic nationalism – which puts the interests of ordinary people first – can do in the US and United Kingdom.”

Rees-Mogg’s “Moggmentum” followers have attracted comparisons with the US Tea Party as they champion rightwing ideas, grassroots activism and shaking up the conservative establishment.

The Tory MP has previously expressed support for Trump but backtracked on that before the presidential election. In mid-September last year, he said that he would “almost certainly vote for Trump if I was American”.

…

Since the election, Rees-Mogg has developed a substantial following among Tory activists looking for their own populist leader to take on Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn.

Read the rest here.