[farka]

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http...rQfv4cy4Aw

Out of curiosity I wanted to objectively figure out what a good-looking person is. Now in this forum we have people from different backgrounds who have been to different countries; different characteristics are considered attractive in different cultures. I'm curious how a person who looks a certain way will do across the world. How good would the first person be perceived if he were to travel across the world? He's this big Korean-American celebrity named Dennis OH, the story is that he tried to find work as an actor in the U.S but couldn't get anything so he went to Korea and became a big star because he was considered EXTREMELY good looking in that culture. Same with this guy named Daniel Henney, except this guy only managed to get a role in X-men origins:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http...AQ&dur=206

Now lets take two other people from a different ethnicity:
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http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http...Aw&dur=747

Both are of Indian origin, but unlike the two actors listed previous, these two guys managed to land roles in MAJOR television series. The first one was in LOST, and the second was in Heroes and Covert Affairs. Would these two Indian guys be considered very attractive? Something I have noticed is that a lot of white women find these two Indian guys very attractive. In fact some women (american/white) in real life and online, have stated that the first guy was more attractive PAIRED against the stereotypical alpha good looking white guy in a MAJOR television series (LOST). How good would these two Indian guys fare across the world and in different cultures? Ignore the fact that all these people are major celebs and pretend they are regular people visiting. What is objectively attractive, and how would a really attractive person from different cultures look?

[Roosh]

Can someone tell me why Indian and Asian dudes put more energy into worrying about their appearance than working on their game? I really don't get it.

farka: Read #2 http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5522.html

[farka]

I was actually not trolling with that intention but I guess I phrased this question improperly. I just want to know whats universally attractive across cultures besides height.

[ANACONDA]

(07-26-2011 09:44 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Can someone tell me why Indian and Asian dudes put more energy into worrying about their appearance than working on their game? I really don't get it.

farka: Read #2 http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5522.html

because they believe that one who is good looking ..he swoop more girls than average looking guy.

[Moma]

(07-26-2011 10:17 AM)farka Wrote:  

I was actually not trolling with that intention but I guess I phrased this question improperly. I just want to know whats universally attractive across cultures besides height.

A muscular body and a long thick penis.

[ANACONDA]

if you have alpha traits...no matter how you look...people find you attractive.

[georgec]

I think the problem is youre focusing on a physical quality called *prettiness*, as distinct from *looks*, and which is not that important to women. I dont think anyone can deny that the Korean guy is *good looking* - I bet if you corner a white girls shed admit that much - but his *looks* carry powerful suggestions about his personality and what kind of guy he is and that might not be attractive and might cancel out his prettiness. What your *look* says about your personality and status varies from country to country and is highly context dependent. In Korea, his *look*, which is one of well-groomed prettiness in a very vanilla cookie-cutter way, suggests elite status, wealth, mainstream accomplishment, etc. In other words Korean culture is such that his appearance suggests elite attributes and his prettiness becomes an added benefit.

Not so in America. In America his appearance suggests weakness, femininity, blandness, ordinariness, lack of masculinity, immaturity, so despite his undeniable good looks he is not seen as attractive.

I would divide appearance into two categories 1) Prettiness 2) What your appearance says about your personality and status. Of the two, the second is vastly more important and also culture-dependent. Mere good looks is probably the same all over the world.

(Im very surprised though to hear that that Indian guy is considered attractive - in fact I rather doubt it. In Asia or South America he would be considered villainous looking.)

I think its HUGELY important to understand what kind of *look* is suggestive of attractive attributes in which part of the world - getting this wrong can seriously hurt the best looking guys chances.

[farka]

I'm sorry which Indian guy are you talking about? The one in Heroes or the one from Lost? Thank you for not dismissing me and being able to actually understand what I was asking. Its not like the question had no relevancy whatsoever but of course everyone has to think this is a troll.

[AJ]

(07-26-2011 09:44 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Can someone tell me why Indian and Asian dudes put more energy into worrying about their appearance than working on their game? I really don't get it.

farka: Read #2 http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5522.html

Let me shed some light. What those Indian/Asian dudes are really asking is "Am I doomed to be undesirable?". You can say "no go work on your game" but in their mind that notion is still abstract and not guaranteed success because

Mainstream culture is reinforcing racial desirability (movies, TV, ads, etc..)
Peers are reinforcing it (peers will make fun of anyone trying to break the mold)
Their experience is reinforcing it
They have not seen a tangible success story first hand. Internet boasting does not count.

It's hard to explain but a rough analogy would be trying to explain to an inner city kid that if they worked hard at school they can achieve anything. In our minds it's very straightforward however you are discounting their cultural milleiu which is a very powerful force and keeps all but the most determined out.

I had a similar mindset when I was younger but broke out and it was a big mindfuck as you just don't notice the constraining shell once you are in it.


GeorgeC. I like your post.

My belief is that there is some genetic component to it but like most of biology, it is vague and messy. Attractiveness to your genes is symmetry and healthiness and that seems to be it.

Culture is such a powerful force that I think it is the main determinant of what constitutes attractiveness but you don't notice it. If you just look at the different perceptions across the world such as the long necks in thailand , or the fatties of polynesia you see that perceptions of attractiveness are diverse.

In western society, certain appearances lend to stereotypes and symbols for males. Blacks - badass/rebel, Asian - effeminate/asexual, etc..

When you see a certain race you receive a subconscious reaction that affects your behavior. this trailer is interesting in that, although hardly scientific, there's young child pointing at a cartoon girl differently shaded. To the young girl's mind the darkest cartoon girl is the dumbest, ugliest, etc.. but she probably can not articulate why that is so.

So like GeorgeC said, I'd lean towards the explanation that your appearance evokes unconscious cultural stereotypes in the viewer's mind which then they incorporate to evaluate beauty.

This theory explains a lot of the phenomenon I've seen across the world.

Although I agree, the OP's post was written sort of as troll, I find this topic fascinating.