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The elites pushing this insanity would absolutely agree with you in private that in fact these people are simply mentally ill.

But there's this:

And this, this, and this.

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(02-04-2018 04:49 PM)Brother Abdul Majeed Wrote:  

I've often thought of a scenario that mirrors the transgender movement.

One day I'll show up at work wearing a gorilla costume. My boss will ask me WTF, why are you in a gorilla costume? I will tell him that my proclivity for having fun is my "orientation" and that he can't discriminate against my orientation. Furthermore, I will be able to sue my clients who no longer want to work with me because I wear a gorilla costume because the federal government supports my position. If I feel like a gorilla, then I should respectfully be treated as such without any negative impact upon myself, no matter how ridiculous it seems to anyone else. I will use the law to ensure that I don't suffer any consequences and force people who don't want to put up with my delusions to continue employing and/or working with me. The fact that they might think that I think of myself as a gorilla should be irrelevant to them as far as trusting my judgement goes. It's perfectly normal that I should think of myself as something that I'm not.

I really can't see a difference between this scenario and the times we live in, where I'm supposed to believe that humans who were born with a penis believe themselves to be women and I'm forced to accept that (despite everything I can see with my own two eyes). I know a very obese man with a 5 oçlock shadow who rides around on an electric wheelchair who proclaims himself to be a woman. It's grotesque. It's a joke. But that's the state of affairs these days. I could just as easily could put on a monkey costume and declare myself a gorilla, and then expect the law to reinforce my delusion.

Luckily Gerald Broflovski blazed the path for you and other transpecies individuals with his dolphinoplasty.

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(02-04-2018 11:10 PM)Different T Wrote:  

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The elites pushing this insanity would absolutely agree with you in private that in fact these people are simply mentally ill.

But there's this:

And this, this, and this.

And this and this.

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(02-04-2018 08:49 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

But there's this:

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“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

― Theodore Dalrymple

So when they say "concede to Transgender rights or lose your job", ^this is what that's really about.

This also describes female shit tests, especially inside a relationship, which is why we have to pass them, and why the SJWs hate Jordan Peterson and all his only tell the truth crap.

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(02-05-2018 11:52 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

This also describes female shit tests, especially inside a relationship, which is why we have to pass them, and why the SJWs hate Jordan Peterson and all his only tell the truth crap.

Actually, in his 12 Rules interview with Rubin, JP says "Don't lie more than you have to."

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(02-05-2018 12:22 PM)Different T Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 11:52 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

This also describes female shit tests, especially inside a relationship, which is why we have to pass them, and why the SJWs hate Jordan Peterson and all his only tell the truth crap.

Actually, in his 12 Rules interview with Rubin, JP says "Don't lie more than you have to."

The only reason he says this is because he realizes that no one really knows the absolute truth. He is making that allowance. At least don't say things you know to be untrue.

He isn't in favor of lying. He is in favor of telling the truth as best you can. You are misrepresenting his position.

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(02-05-2018 12:42 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

The only reason he says this is because he realizes that no one really knows the absolute truth. He is making that allowance. At least don't say things you know to be untrue.

He isn't in favor of lying. He is in favor of telling the truth as best you can. You are misrepresenting his position.

No. He wants to nest "truth" inside "Darwinism." You do not UNDERSTAND his position.

Its at 14:30.

To avoid the obfuscation charge: eg. Peterson has always said that the West was unique in focusing on the individual and developing the tradition of the hero.

However, for what appears to be political (Darwin) reasons, he now says the West was based on the "sovereign individual." This is a lie. It is unlikely he isn't aware of this; as AFAIK he never used this term before the past 6-12 months.

The very word sovereign, according to this, is from the early 14th century (well into Western history) and was a political (relating to the structure of authority) term, basically meaning the anglo equivalent of something like king. No, the West wasn't based on every individual being "king."

And, of course, remember; JP "is very careful with his words."

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(02-05-2018 12:53 PM)Different T Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 12:42 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

The only reason he says this is because he realizes that no one really knows the absolute truth. He is making that allowance. At least don't say things you know to be untrue.

He isn't in favor of lying. He is in favor of telling the truth as best you can. You are misrepresenting his position.

No. He wants to nest "truth" inside "Darwinism." You do not UNDERSTAND his position.

Its at 14:30.

To avoid the obfuscation charge: eg. Peterson has always said that the West was unique in focusing on the individual and developing the tradition of the hero.

However, for what appears to be political (Darwin) reasons, he now says the West was based on the "sovereign individual." This is a lie. It is unlikely he isn't aware of this; as AFAIK he never used this term before the past 6-12 months.

The very word sovereign, according to this, is from the early 14th century (well into Western history) and was a political (relating to the structure of authority) term, basically meaning the anglo equivalent of something like king. No, the West wasn't based on every individual being "king."

And, of course, remember; JP "is very careful with his words."

Seems like you have a lot to say about Peterson, and if so, you should put it in the Peterson thread.

My reference to Peterson was tangential at best, and the point of what I was saying was to build on what Mr. Neubache was saying with his quote of Dalrymple, that it ain't about truth, it is about humiliation, and making people do and say things they don't believe in to avoid punishment.

You are picking a weird place to have an eruption of specific and wide ranging nitpicking of Peterson and you seem triggered in some way.

Your post reminded me of this:

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(02-05-2018 01:22 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

My reference to Peterson was tangential at best, and the point of what I was saying was to build on what Mr. Neubache was saying with his quote of Dalrymple, that it ain't about truth, it is about humiliation, and making people do and say things they don't believe in to avoid punishment.

Or, IOW, it's about domination and implementation of a certain individual's or group's will/goals, kinda like what? Darwinism, maybe?

(02-05-2018 01:22 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Your post reminded me of this:

That's to be expected. Here's what your post reminds me of: