[No Habit]

Why did you hold his gaze Vince? Did you have to prove something?

[Ostrogoth]

(06-04-2016 02:29 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 01:56 PM)Ostrogoth Wrote:  

^Tall, well-built dudes get mad dogged...

It's just human nature. You defer to the most alpha looking guy in the room, or they defer to you. When there is a conflict (real or imagined), then they'll try to correct it via intimidation or violence.

Hang out around normal adults in normal public places. If a low-life looks in your direction, which should be rare because you will rarely be in the same place, be too good for him.

Some time it's fun to roll around in the mud...

One of the reasons I left Europe is the place has become far too civilized.

[Artiste]

(06-04-2016 03:14 PM)Ostrogoth Wrote:  

^It may be bad advice for some...it depends on whether you can hold your frame.

I think they were stunned that a solo guy smaller than them would hold his ground.

It makes one think, "Why is he unafraid?". "Is he a crazy fucker that's going to stab me, or bite my ear off?".

In this situation, I think it was the better move. Backing down would have emboldened them, and invited a beating.

Your overall advice of "don't back down" is helpful in consideration of the principle of 'not showing weakness'. In some select cases I would suggest that guys display the characteristics of a psycho street bum to ward off vultures. For instance, when I could sense a gang approaching in the early hours of the morning, I would pre-emptively take on a ghetto limp, adopt street tone and slang, and ask "you gotta spare smoke mate? I fuckin lost mine when I was walkin' the tracks" (often others would 'start' you by asking for smokes or money hence the role-reversing question).

However, it violates another important principle of 'not provoking their pride', which you did as per the evidence of them jumping out of the car.

I cannot endorse this general opinion because it WILL get someone unnecessarily hurt.

If you (or others, in reference to their own context) can provide a more detailed breakdown of the relevant situation then I may indeed agree with you. Here, you are very likely to be correct, as(1) you have detailed knowledge about your particular situation, and (2) you got away without a scratch. However, as you have not provided a play-by-play description of the interaction it is difficult for me to comment with much accuracy about your specific case. As I noted, my advice is general and should not be applied without calibration to the context.

In any case, you definitely get my respect for not backing down in that situation, as it would take massive balls!

[Cattle Rustler]

I'm gonna act a fool! (Ludacris song)



It's good to see that the keyboard warriors have yet to come out.

[LEMONed IScream]

Would you here consider that you are less likely to be eyeballed that way if you're actually shorter/lighter?

I'm around 5'7/5'8 (172cm) and some 60 something kg (something between 135 and 140 pounds) and I don't recall these things happening to me. I haven't been picked on since I was in middle school. And back then I was taller than most kids.

[AnonymousBosch]

(06-04-2016 02:29 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Not in real life. Just in barter-town. My advice: don't be a guy who looks like, acts like, or is a denizen of barter-town. Hang out around normal adults in normal public places. If a low-life looks in your direction, which should be rare because you will rarely be in the same place, be too good for him.

Barter-town came to me.

When a bunch of Progressives move to your area to escape the overcrowding and hectic lifestyle of their city environment, then set about subverting all local levels of government, making policies that include the importation of violent populations that their wealth and privilege will keep them far away from, turning your town into a violent, overcrowded shithole to the degree most social infrastructures are collapsing, and which I expect the Progressives are already starting to flee from for somewhere less overcrowded and hectic, 'normal public places' become very violent.

Then couple this with a Police Force that serves Socialist Principles. What you saw in San Jose is our Normal: the cops exist to protect the [Marginalised Victim Classes] and overlook the most appalling behaviour in the name of the narrative, whilst the good, law-abiding people are on their own. Most likely, if there's a crime, they'll openly blame the victim.

Everywhere is going to become increasingly-feral. There are growing sections of the population who are well-aware that they won't be punished for breaking the law, so no matter where you think you can hide, violence is going to find you, because Civilised Behaviour is only valued in certain populations.

As such, I understand that, even taking a simple walk down to the supermarket near me, odds are good that someone could threaten me: "Ahhh ya white cunt , who do ya think ya are?" No-one around me will see what happens if violence starts, they will just glance at the ground and disassociate, then will probably be posting something a couple of hours later on Facebook to prove how Not Racist they are.

The cops have told us to keep our doors locked during the daytime if we don't want people wandering in, to not leave our cars on the street at night if we don't want them burnt out, and to stay home at weekends if we don't want our houses robbed.

See how being victims of crime is now our fault? You have to think of the poor, oppressed minorities, who are victims of society.

Meanwhile, the local Greens member in the paper, praises how 'harmonious' and 'diverse' our community is, whilst saying we need to bring in more immigrants.

Our local court broke a record the other day of having three murder trials in one day. I remember a murder in 1988. It scandalised the entire community, because there hadn't been a killing since the 1920's.

You guys need to know how to make mad dogs think twice about attacking you, because, if Trump doesn't get in, my reality becomes yours.

[Foolsgo1d]

(06-04-2016 03:22 PM)Ostrogoth Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 02:29 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 01:56 PM)Ostrogoth Wrote:  

^Tall, well-built dudes get mad dogged...

It's just human nature. You defer to the most alpha looking guy in the room, or they defer to you. When there is a conflict (real or imagined), then they'll try to correct it via intimidation or violence.

Hang out around normal adults in normal public places. If a low-life looks in your direction, which should be rare because you will rarely be in the same place, be too good for him.

Some time it's fun to roll around in the mud...

One of the reasons I left Europe is the place has become far too civilized.

You sound like a man who has never been punched hard in the face.

[Ostrogoth]

(06-04-2016 06:42 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 03:22 PM)Ostrogoth Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 02:29 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 01:56 PM)Ostrogoth Wrote:  

^Tall, well-built dudes get mad dogged...

It's just human nature. You defer to the most alpha looking guy in the room, or they defer to you. When there is a conflict (real or imagined), then they'll try to correct it via intimidation or violence.

Hang out around normal adults in normal public places. If a low-life looks in your direction, which should be rare because you will rarely be in the same place, be too good for him.

Some time it's fun to roll around in the mud...

One of the reasons I left Europe is the place has become far too civilized.

You sound like a man who has never been punched hard in the face.

Actually, I've taken quite a few...I have a bump on my nose to show for it lol.

On the one hand, it kind of sucks. But I also never feel more alive than during a fight/brawl.

This is why I can hold my frame. If they back down, I'm cool. If they throw down, I relish the adrenaline rush. Either way, I'm happy with the outcome.

But not all men are like me I suppose...

[el mechanico]

I've never heard Mad Dogging before and reading the original post kinda made me sour.

If someone stares at me too long I consider it an issue and I engage them out of curiosity so I'd probably walk over and shake hands and ask why or whatever but I'm typing now in person I'd be able to read them.

Also my laptop is in my house I don't chill out at coffee places either.

[Vaun]

(06-04-2016 06:50 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I've never heard Mad Dogging before and reading the original post kinda made me sour.

Same here. Its sounds like a ridiculously poor choice of a dare. It would probably be good for the 'mad dogger' to keep doing it until someone knocks them out, or until they get into the first fist fight in their lives. Darwin and shit. Or when the 'mad dogger' gets too exhausted from explaining their way out of the huge amount of unintended gay sex propositions. No one that fights, has fought, or is willing to fight, is walking around everyday staring at other dudes. Sign of the times I guess, that men can prance around town these days sipping espresso, acting like little girls on the playground, without ending up injured or dead.

[cubanlinx]

Yo, I've never caught the term earlier as well. I thought this would be story of some dude running up and biting you.
With that said, I'm liking the responses. Personally I've been in a few street fights, young rascal that I was. But as soon as someone started flourishing chains and machetes and shit, I'd back off sharpish.
And I've never gotten jumped solo. In fact, one of the most fun I've ever had was when we surprised a horrible SOB of a master, and administered a beat down. We weren't identified, and he's still working. And his attitude didn't change a bit, ha.

[iRONIN]

(06-04-2016 08:01 PM)cubanlinx Wrote:  

Yo, I've never caught the term earlier as well.

I've always heard it as 'mean mugging'.

Mad dogging sounds like the angry version of raw dogging.

[Windom Earle]

Years ago when I was in the army, whilst talking to a good mate at a bar we used to frequent, a short/angry/very drunk guy came up and placed his hands on my traps - not saying anything at all, just giving me an angry stare.

Bear in mind, in comparison I'm 6'4" and weighed 105kg at the time, so I sensed this was merely drunken behaviour, not something he would've done in a sober state.

I merely reached out and mirrored his actions, all the while keeping a relaxed look on my face (I'm a happy drunk), telling the guy "it's ok". The bouncers came up to check on the situation, in which I told them the same thing, after which the short guy took his hands off me (and I did the same). In hindsight, I think the short guy, in his drunken reasoning, assumed I that I was a stranger to my army buddy and was threatening him somehow. Was a weird situation that I'm glad resolved itself.

[el mechanico]

I'm sorry if this sounds rude but when I hear the word "mate" I kinda disregard you as serious when taking about any type of structure or pecking order, I think about limp undernourished dudes getting drunk and acting a fool.

I could be wrong but that's how I read it.

[AnonymousBosch]

^ No worries, mate.

[churros]

I got on a crowded subway recently. Somehow I offended the guy behind me. When the doors closed, he loudly called me out in front of the entire train:

"Are you sleeping or what?"
["Schlafen Sie oder was?" He was Turkish, of course.]

I was accompanying my girlfriend to the airport, luggage and everything. His aggression immediately got my adrenaline pumping, and a million things ran through my head. Should I answer him? Should I get ready to fight?

But I didn't flinch. I held his gaze momentarily, as if I was observing him. Without altering my expression, and with the whole train anticipating my response, I slowly turned my head to the left. He calmed down.

Sounds like nothing. But maintaining frame was a deliberate effort. In hindsight, not responding to his question was crucial. Don't take on the responsive frame. In extremis, you need to take the initiative and reframe the encounter. Delicate move.

Actually, what el mech wrote is a good example of that.

[AboveAverageJoe]

If you guys would have told me you were RVF members, I would stop mad-dogging you and offer you a beer.

[The Beast1]

Just nod V.

Down up nod, wait for one back, get back to work. Guys always do this with me, so I like to hold it for a bit before I give an affirmative nod.

Is this beta?

[debeguiled]

True story.

I went to a nice little non-Starbucks once to sit and read and think. After a little while, I noticed that a pretty good sized guy about twenty feet away on my left was staring at me. I shrugged it off and kept reading. Every time I looked up though, he was staring straight at me, unblinking, like a Weimaraner.



I tried to ignore it for a while, though every time I looked up, and to my left, there he was, not reading, not using a laptop, just staring. And I started to get mad. This was a normal little college town, not a nasty neighborhood, so it seemed totally inappropriate to me.

After a while, I noticed he was getting ready to leave, so I resolved to say something to him as he walked past me to the door.

He reached into his backpack and took out and extended his collapsible white cane with the red tip and tapped his way past me and out of the cafe.

I didn't say anything when he walked by. Should I have clocked him?

And, to coin a phrase, was that beta?

[Laner]

Since the rise of fighter Conor McGregor I have been getting a lot more attention from people who are into MMA. I look like him, and almost every day/night that I am out I get at least one comment.

Now, I normally do not ever have any issues with other men. So this has all been new to me, and I have been able to study it and test out some things.

For the upside:

- I can be a gentlemen. People often expect that from a man who dresses well. But with my haircut and facial hair, its contrasted. This gives the high/low impression, which creates doubt in men, and curiosity in women. So I get to act like a gentlemen, and crack jokes like an asshole.

- Conor is a joker and nice guy. I can channel this too. At first I would hear guys talk behind my back, "Mad Dogging" so to speak, possibly looking for a reaction. Initially, my reaction was to be aware, ready, channel the adrenaline and keep a clear head- make out like I don't see or hear them. Now I smile, nod and shake hands and just go about that I am having a great night/life and wish them the best as well. Most guys mirror this, brighten up and become extra friendly. There might be a guy in the group who was hoping for more, but the odds are now against him for anything ever escalating.

Downside:

- ABosch posted about being "bastard sized" and I took this to mean that you are just the right sized of person to people who like to fight. Not too big, not too small. Not too soft but not hard as fuck. Confident, but also might cower. As I said, I do not get put into this category by other men, but have friends that do. Now, due to looking like a top fighter, I am somewhat in this category to men who have something to prove.

- It can throw my game off if the situation was not as easy to diffuse as I had thought. Adrenaline is hard to put away after it has come out. I am getting better, but if I get attitude when I am talking with a girl, being so calm after takes a lot of effort. And women notice this, they are attracted to danger somewhat, but when danger looks possible, most succumb to instinct and GTFO.

My desired learning outcomes are to be able to remain calm for much longer so I don't have to deal with adrenaline. I have had 0% violence, so it's not likely to happen. This will have a positive outcome for life in general, so I want this.

I also want to keep up the friendly and fun projection. I can look like like an asshole at rest, which is fine, but having a more fun default setting for social environments will be great to have.

[Ingocnito]

I don't bother with the stare downs anymore. Why? I just don't have fucking time for it and it proves nothing. I have however broke a few stare downs - was this letting them "win?" I think not - and on occasion walk straight up to the fucker and said: What's up? or Hows it goin?, not once have I gotten anything but positive affirmations, because they know deep inside, the real badass doesn't even start passive aggressive stare downs in public where they know 99.9% of the time nothing's gonna happen anyways.

If they remain shitty faced I then say something to the effect; "Seems like there's something you wanted to say..." That usually extracts the bullshit and sets it aside instantly. I also have a naturally mean son of a bitch look to my face that implies "we can do this, but at your peril, so go ahead bitch..."

Despite dropping 30 lbs in past few years, 15 in the last 3 months due to lack of lifting, at 6'4" 210-220 depending on my last big shit and feeding habits, I remind myself 1) I'm not sore 24/7 from lifting, I'm totally healed, 2) I'm very agile, probably more fight-worthy carrying less weight yet at 85-90% of my lifting-schedule power anyhow, 3) Can walk into most MMA gyms and hang - to some extent - with many guys who train consistently at it, and recognize the "MMA code" for not injuring people isn't ingrained in my head like theirs.. I will break your fucking arm off your torso on the street and enjoy it, and 4) Fear no man.

I'm in that size range where I'm a magnet for people looking to start shit. I'm also certain having spent 8 solid years in the lifting, tough guy, fighting community MOST guys, somewhere around 80%+ aren't into lifting, MMA, et al because they're becoming thee badass they project themselves, but rather they like the communal aspect, and are using it to address an internal insecurity by joining group to "belong to," just like the herd mentality of most bitches.

So run the numbers, even if the stare down escalates into an actual fight. There's a good chance your intuition, witt, skill, and strength applied will squash the guy - even much bigger guys - because his fag pussy-minded thought of being a hardass in a "protected" society by starting a stare down with a stranger warrants such results. Nothing like handing a big mouth (what starers are without words) a bruised ego and hospital visit. Then again, it's not worth the risk or time anyways.

[Kona]

I thought mad-dogging meant you were drinking this:


Now that I know it means "giving the stink eye" here's a bold suggestion:

Get a face tattoo like this:



I got a few friends with them, and oh wow, nobody will make eye contact with you at all. People you see on the streets will call the cops if you look at the. Just stick your toungue out and grunt, then do a little warrior dance if somebody stares.

Aloha!

[PartManPartMonkey]

(06-04-2016 06:50 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I've never heard Mad Dogging before and reading the original post kinda made me sour.

Here is some real life footage of a mad doggin'.

[Rush87]

(06-04-2016 05:38 AM)elimanning Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 03:49 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

Joe Rogan said it best: The most unassuming dude could be the baddest man on the planet. Imagine seeing this guy staring you down… Escalate and you book yourself into a hospital bed.



That being said: My theory is to never back down, but never escalate. I will hold the look for an extended beat, then resume what I am doing.

If someone is mad doging you, he's probably a white belt, or an insecure person.

A well train martial artist and a professional athlete don't have time to play little games, I doubt someone like Rory McDonald would mad dog anyone, he's is too busy counting his money and looking forward to meeting his hot girlfriend.

Most people live a busy life.

You'd like to think that, but it's sadly just not true. I've done martial arts for the better part of 15 years now and there are some real dicks in the ranks. I'm not sure if anyone follows the sport, but as a for instance, there was an MMA fighter [Who actually fought at UFC 199] over the weekend, who I won't name out of respect, but who mad dogs routinely.

Unfortunately some people are just dicks and martial arts doesn't change that.

[H1N1]

^ Agreed. Fighters by and large are some of the nicest and most humble people you could hope to hang around with. But there are some guys who fall into it because they just love hurting people, and will take any opportunity to do so. A very small percentage of fighters are highly trained, highly unpleasant individuals, but they do exist.