[godfather dust]

I landscape and help people move.

When a girl asks my job I say "criminal."

I used to be one so I can tell stories or whatever, semi-true at least.

Doesn't seem to elicit bad responses, I say it with a smile and good eye contact and whatnot.

[XXL]

Yeah, go J.Depp/Dillinger on her, tell you rob banks, if she ask you why you would tell her something like that you respond with "I'll never lie to you". She'll dig it. Come back and post results here.

[Fortis]

I tell them I'm an astronaut.

[Off The Reservation]

I had a conversation with silviophonic in person about this.

If memory serves we agreed a little evasive or comic answer worked best.

"As little as possible."

I have an office in x part of town but I don't remember the last time I went."

"I work nearby."

"You know people always think I am x but it's not true."

"That's a tough question to answer."

"Are you trying to size me up?"

Etc

[godfather dust]

Thank you off the reservation those are better answers.

[godfather dust]

(06-04-2016 06:20 AM)XXL Wrote:  

Yeah, go J.Depp/Dillinger on her, tell you rob banks, if she ask you why you would tell her something like that you respond with "I'll never lie to you". She'll dig it. Come back and post results here.

Na I just say criminal and then get completely non-specific " I can't get into that" etc.

I'm going to do off the reservations suggestion and be vague as fuck instead though.

[jbo]

Girl: "What do you do?"

jbo: "During the day nothing special. However, when the night falls I dress up in a bat costume and save people's lives"

[AboveAverageJoe]

"What job?" What you do for money should not define you or describe you. That is how I play it. Starts the hamster spinning.

[Caractacus Potts]

I'm a stunt cock for porn.

[Sombro]

Probably mentioned this before...

Either:

"I'm a counselor for autistic dolphins."

or:

Q: "What do you do for work?"
A: "Why don't you ask me what I do for fun?"
Q: "Okay -- what do you do for fun?"
A: "Work."

Mini-mindfucks always get a chuckle from chicks. Builds interest.

Also: "Rock'n'Roll Witness Protection Program." Because it's true. And works regardless.

[Off The Reservation]

(06-04-2016 07:41 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 06:20 AM)XXL Wrote:  

Yeah, go J.Depp/Dillinger on her, tell you rob banks, if she ask you why you would tell her something like that you respond with "I'll never lie to you". She'll dig it. Come back and post results here.

Na I just say criminal and then get completely non-specific " I can't get into that" etc.

I'm going to do off the reservations suggestion and be vague as fuck instead though.

I find the reasons those answers work well is you are telling her I don't give a fuck what you think about my job, and you won't be able to put me into little categories where you already have decided something about me based on that category.

Let's say a guy is an "Alpha" but his job is sitting in one of those little cubby holes in the bank answering peoples questions about why their debit card doesn't work and why the bank charged them fees etc. If he answers "I am a customer service supervisor at Bigbox Bank" the girl will immediately apply her mindless stereotypes to him and unconsciously start one of several reactions that may differ wildly based on her needs:

Boring guy reaction
Boost my linkedin reaction
Single mom paycheck alert reaction
Friendzone reaction

So lets say that same guy answers, "What do I do? Well until an hour ago when I came to this coffee shop I was working on my muscle car, how about you what do you do?"

This leaves her no way to activate one of the stupid "professional" or programmed reactions, and instead she has to deal with you as a MAN instead of a JOB.

[Switch]

The response to these types of questions should never be the actual answer. I'm in school so the question is always "what's your major?" It's a typical conversation question and comes up with every new girl, so why waste the opportunity to have a little fun and joke around? Game is about having fun, right?

"leisure studies"
"triple major in women's studies, gender studies, and african studies"
"math major with a minor in exotic dancing"

With work the formula is similar: anything outlandish, sarcastic, and obviously not true.

"dog walker"
"garbage man"
"ass model"
"itch cream tester"

the list goes on. Just don't tell them your real job the first time they ask. Second time, you can joke around again or actually tell them. If they ask a third time just tell them and move on.

[GlobalMan]

I've always thought it's a very strange question to be asked, especially so early in meeting someone, as happens in the USA/CAN/AUS/UK. It doesn't really happen near as much outside the anglosphere

For some reason people in these places have come to associate what you do to earn money with the essential "you-ness", instead of your interests or personality etc. Which is strange

Besides that, it's a very personal question. You are basically being asked "how do you make your money".

It's one aspect of our culture (among many) that I particularly dislike.

[fighter]

They keep asking no matter what I tried. Women these days aren't embarrassed to seek for a provider.

[cosworth]

" as little as possible for the maximum amount of money "

[WestIndianArchie]

If you're just going for a quick laugh with these one liners, you're missing an opportunity to run top shelf game.

WIA

[XXL]

Side question.. why do guys still worry whether this question is some big sneaky shit test? That must be the case since there are threads about good answers. It's just a question. There are certain questions that almost every human being will ask you within first 10 minutes, what do you do? where do you go to school? who are you here with? Even guys ask me that rather quickly even though they don't really want to befriend me or anything. It's just what people automatically ask when they meet someone new.

If you want to do it "right" then describe what you actually do in an interesting and original way [including her in that short story is cool] and you're good. Coming up with silly shit is fine maybe once, but after 2nd time or more the girl sees you're hiding something out of fear which is worse than saying something boring.

[Built to Fade]

@ WIA.

Your cliff hanger response has me hooked.

How would you play this?

[Lagavulin]

Also interested to hear WIA's take on this.

[XPQ22]

Yep, Western women don't make a lot of bones about saying "Would you show me the Carfax already?"

I've tried using silly "one liners" about my job and my age like this before. But in my experience - women are hip to this. There's a pretty good chance they're just going to think you're insecure, or hiding something in a bad way, rather than being "mysterious" if you don't play it just right.

Regarding age questions here's what I plan on doing from now on: Just tell them my real age, and then turn it back around, because I find it to be slightly offensive when a girl asks this after knowing me for only ten minutes. She likely wouldn't stand for it if the tables were reversed.

"I'm thirty <real number>. But I'm pretty sure you knew that I'm in my 30s. Is that last digit something that deeply concerns you? (intentional ambiguity as to who we're talking about now)"

Regarding work, I'd just explain to them what I really do, but in an indirect fashion which makes them curious.

"I'd tell you all about it, but it would take a while, and it seems more like you're out to have fun tonight than hear me go on about it. But I'll tell you this: I love it, and I hope I never have to retire. They'll have to pry my tools out of my cold hands!"

I haven't tried the first "line" yet, but I've said a variant of the second on first dates with two girls from online, who seemed particularly curious about my work. Both of them ended up "good dates", so there ya go. YMMV.

[WestIndianArchie]

Answers

1. Criminal

Not necessarily a bad answer, but I can tell that there's not much thought behind it.

2. Astronaut

Not a bad answer at all either. But there's little context to break down when it would be great, versus when it would just be good.

3. Evasion/Comedy

Much better answer because it shows personality and it also says you don't take her that seriously to be serious.

But doesn't address context, nor does have an obvious transition.

4. Non-Specific/Evasion

Generally not good answers because
- they drive questions
- questions that are often not answered.
- suggests that something is being hidden

Neglects feminine imperative/reality that she HAS to KNOW.
Depending on the setting, this will just pass, or it will blow a guy out if a chick won't let go of the thread.

5. - Batman - answers the question, by not taking her seriously
- Nice. It might end the questions
- It suggests a playfulness.

6. What Job?

- don't take her serious, throw it back on her. Basically a live hand grenade.
- depending on the tone, this could put her on the defensive in a good way, or in a bad way.

7. Stunt Cock
- yes it's comedy (or not, could be Lexington Steele posting)
BUT
- it's sexual. SEXUAL moves the ball forward. Shows personality and being comfortable with sex. It's a bold move, but it could be rewarded handsomely
- but what's the context
- and how do you transition?

8. Autistic Dolphin - Flippant Answer
- might make the hamster spin, more likely to annoy depending on the context

9. Turnabout/Grenade
- slightly different because it's a neg (it's a subtle comment on the banality of her question), but it's also a command.
- there is a transition
- there is a pay off - but it's a small one.

10. Misinterpretation with small bait/frame leading
- I just finished working on my muscle car

By misinterpreting the question, showing some "alpha" traits (+1 for the physical labor -1 for working on a "muscle car"), and being alpha by redirecting the question

- Alpha male signal!
- puts her on defense/makes her consider her Questions and Answers
- however this one does put him the driver's seat for the next part of the interaction.

OTR is killing it.

But what's the context?
Where's the transition?
How do you use her question to get closer to her pussy?

11. Multiple Flippant Cascading Answers
- considers one possible context
- sends the message, subtlely
- understands that it will lead to more questions
- increases the tension, and then releases.
- shows personality
- frame reversal/power play

Good shit.

But where does it go?

12. As Little as Possible - an evasive non-answer that's too clever by half.
- not much in way of context
- not much in way of changing control
- no good segway

13. Questioning whether this is a test! Being aware of social reality

XXL gets at what more seasoned players recognize.

This girl might just be shooting the shit, so you shouldn't automatically go into defense mode. This is why you should be reading all of his posts. Constantly drops wisdom.

14. XPQ22
- silly one liners provoke a common response
- likens the occupational question to the age question
- turns the tables, putting him the driver's seat, her on defense, and increases the tension.
- exhibits passion for the job, w/o telling her what it is.

_________________________________________________

A lot of serviceable answers. But as you can tell from my breakdowns (which may be wrong, and are open to interpretation) here's what I think about


1) What is the setting that she's asking me this question?
- networking event
- happy hour downtown
- mega dance club
- book store
- daytime
- night time

One factor for me is how "fun" the atmosphere is. If it's a foam party and we're on the dance floor that tells me one thing. If I'm at morning meeting for fellow white collar professionals, that tells me something else.

The veteran recognizes not only the question, but the SUB-COMMUNICATION.

2) What's the interaction been like so far?
When does this question come up?
Is this immediately after I started talking to her?
Is she trying to screen me out?
Is it hostile in nature?
Is she looking at me like I'm the sun, and she's really enamored?
Is she seeking rapport?
Is she just passing the time?
How serious is she about getting an answer?

3) Will my literal answer change her mood?
Will it sub-com the wrong thing?
What it is her likely reaction?
Will it be something she hates?
She loves?
She puts me in the player box?
Puts me in the provider box?

How can I use this question/my answer to
- show more personality
- build more attraction
- build rapport
- build comfort
- seduce her?
- Can I move the ball forward? (An American football reference for the international players out there)

__________________________

This is one of those that always comes up, and rather than have a stock answer to get through to the next topic of conversation, take it as an opportunity.

I am a boring white collar professional. The field is prestigious, my particular job is not. The copy tech @ Goldman Sachs is technically in Investment Banking. I'm his intern.

I tried to milk my job for some provider mileage, hoping to convert on the back end. And that worked in so far as I fucked quickly, but I always have a sneaking suspicion that these chicks are saving their Ava Devine versions of themselves for players.

So now, I have her play a game.

The same gambit from the age question

Chick - "So how old are you?"
Player - "Guess"

Chick - "28"
Player (real age 37) - Wow your sharp. Have you always been this sharp? Lemme start asking you questions...(inner chuckle)

If you know it's coming, you can prepare for it. You can set it up so that you're always right, she's always right, everything is all good.

...
Chica - "What do you do?"

WIA - "I'll tell you. I like smart girls. So let's play a game, it'll be easy"

I put my hands up, or my put hands out, I prefer up.

"Feel my hands"
^1) command, 2) take the frame, 3) she breaks the touch barrier

"Are they rough or soft"
"dry?"
"do I need some lotion?"
"Do you have some lotion"
"Get me some lotion"
"Put some lotion on me?"
"Calluses?"

"So do I work with my hands?..."

That's basically how I start something like that.

She's giving me a gift if she asks me that question, because I know that I can get
- attraction
- qualification
- rapport
- increase tension and the release tension
- frame
- comfort
- compliance
- build a bubble
- break the touch barrier
- throw in some negs.
- social proof as people watch
- it has places where it can go naturally, by her asking questions, or you staying on topic

All of that with maybe 45-90 seconds of banter.

I had kernels of this idea for a long time. I used to do thumb wrestling and that hand slapping game with girls at clubs. You tap into the child like energy and get compliance and break the touch barrier and build comfort. Hand measuring is very effective as well.

There are basically all of these tools that speak sub-communicate and communicate.

So why not combine "kino" with comfort/rapport/attraction with passing shit tests and having her buy in to your frame?

Why give a chick a one-liner, hoping to get pass that hoop when you can dump her into a pool like a trap door?

There are a ton of game principles and psychology out there.
Stack em
Layer em.
Pack as much game into the 3-5 minutes you have in approaching a chick.

That's my take on it at least.

WIA

[Off The Reservation]

(06-08-2016 09:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Answers

1. Criminal

Not necessarily a bad answer, but I can tell that there's not much thought behind it.

2. Astronaut

Not a bad answer at all either. But there's little context to break down when it would be great, versus when it would just be good.

3. Evasion/Comedy

Much better answer because it shows personality and it also says you don't take her that seriously to be serious.

But doesn't address context, nor does have an obvious transition.

4. Non-Specific/Evasion

Generally not good answers because
- they drive questions
- questions that are often not answered.
- suggests that something is being hidden

Neglects feminine imperative/reality that she HAS to KNOW.
Depending on the setting, this will just pass, or it will blow a guy out if a chick won't let go of the thread.

5. - Batman - answers the question, by not taking her seriously
- Nice. It might end the questions
- It suggests a playfulness.

6. What Job?

- don't take her serious, throw it back on her. Basically a live hand grenade.
- depending on the tone, this could put her on the defensive in a good way, or in a bad way.

7. Stunt Cock
- yes it's comedy (or not, could be Lexington Steele posting)
BUT
- it's sexual. SEXUAL moves the ball forward. Shows personality and being comfortable with sex. It's a bold move, but it could be rewarded handsomely
- but what's the context
- and how do you transition?

8. Autistic Dolphin - Flippant Answer
- might make the hamster spin, more likely to annoy depending on the context

9. Turnabout/Grenade
- slightly different because it's a neg (it's a subtle comment on the banality of her question), but it's also a command.
- there is a transition
- there is a pay off - but it's a small one.

10. Misinterpretation with small bait/frame leading
- I just finished working on my muscle car

By misinterpreting the question, showing some "alpha" traits (+1 for the physical labor -1 for working on a "muscle car"), and being alpha by redirecting the question

- Alpha male signal!
- puts her on defense/makes her consider her Questions and Answers
- however this one does put him the driver's seat for the next part of the interaction.

OTR is killing it.

But what's the context?
Where's the transition?
How do you use her question to get closer to her pussy?

11. Multiple Flippant Cascading Answers
- considers one possible context
- sends the message, subtlely
- understands that it will lead to more questions
- increases the tension, and then releases.
- shows personality
- frame reversal/power play

Good shit.

But where does it go?

12. As Little as Possible - an evasive non-answer that's too clever by half.
- not much in way of context
- not much in way of changing control
- no good segway

13. Questioning whether this is a test! Being aware of social reality

XXL gets at what more seasoned players recognize.

This girl might just be shooting the shit, so you shouldn't automatically go into defense mode. This is why you should be reading all of his posts. Constantly drops wisdom.

14. XPQ22
- silly one liners provoke a common response
- likens the occupational question to the age question
- turns the tables, putting him the driver's seat, her on defense, and increases the tension.
- exhibits passion for the job, w/o telling her what it is.

_________________________________________________

A lot of serviceable answers. But as you can tell from my breakdowns (which may be wrong, and are open to interpretation) here's what I think about


1) What is the setting that she's asking me this question?
- networking event
- happy hour downtown
- mega dance club
- book store
- daytime
- night time

One factor for me is how "fun" the atmosphere is. If it's a foam party and we're on the dance floor that tells me one thing. If I'm at morning meeting for fellow white collar professionals, that tells me something else.

The veteran recognizes not only the question, but the SUB-COMMUNICATION.

2) What's the interaction been like so far?
When does this question come up?
Is this immediately after I started talking to her?
Is she trying to screen me out?
Is it hostile in nature?
Is she looking at me like I'm the sun, and she's really enamored?
Is she seeking rapport?
Is she just passing the time?
How serious is she about getting an answer?

3) Will my literal answer change her mood?
Will it sub-com the wrong thing?
What it is her likely reaction?
Will it be something she hates?
She loves?
She puts me in the player box?
Puts me in the provider box?

How can I use this question/my answer to
- show more personality
- build more attraction
- build rapport
- build comfort
- seduce her?
- Can I move the ball forward? (An American football reference for the international players out there)

__________________________

This is one of those that always comes up, and rather than have a stock answer to get through to the next topic of conversation, take it as an opportunity.

I am a boring white collar professional. The field is prestigious, my particular job is not. The copy tech @ Goldman Sachs is technically in Investment Banking. I'm his intern.

I tried to milk my job for some provider mileage, hoping to convert on the back end. And that worked in so far as I fucked quickly, but I always have a sneaking suspicion that these chicks are saving their Ava Devine versions of themselves for players.

So now, I have her play a game.

The same gambit from the age question

Chick - "So how old are you?"
Player - "Guess"

Chick - "28"
Player (real age 37) - Wow your sharp. Have you always been this sharp? Lemme start asking you questions...(inner chuckle)

If you know it's coming, you can prepare for it. You can set it up so that you're always right, she's always right, everything is all good.

...
Chica - "What do you do?"

WIA - "I'll tell you. I like smart girls. So let's play a game, it'll be easy"

I put my hands up, or my put hands out, I prefer up.

"Feel my hands"
^1) command, 2) take the frame, 3) she breaks the touch barrier

"Are they rough or soft"
"dry?"
"do I need some lotion?"
"Do you have some lotion"
"Get me some lotion"
"Put some lotion on me?"
"Calluses?"

"So do I work with my hands?..."

That's basically how I start something like that.

She's giving me a gift if she asks me that question, because I know that I can get
- attraction
- qualification
- rapport
- increase tension and the release tension
- frame
- comfort
- compliance
- build a bubble
- break the touch barrier
- throw in some negs.
- social proof as people watch
- it has places where it can go naturally, by her asking questions, or you staying on topic

All of that with maybe 45-90 seconds of banter.

I had kernels of this idea for a long time. I used to do thumb wrestling and that hand slapping game with girls at clubs. You tap into the child like energy and get compliance and break the touch barrier and build comfort. Hand measuring is very effective as well.

There are basically all of these tools that speak sub-communicate and communicate.

So why not combine "kino" with comfort/rapport/attraction with passing shit tests and having her buy in to your frame?

Why give a chick a one-liner, hoping to get pass that hoop when you can dump her into a pool like a trap door?

There are a ton of game principles and psychology out there.
Stack em
Layer em.
Pack as much game into the 3-5 minutes you have in approaching a chick.

That's my take on it at least.

WIA

touch my hands...

[WeekendCasanova]

"When people ask me what I do for work, I answer: whatever it takes" - grant cardone aka papa g.

[egionesco]

Hot damn WIA on another level. I mean, so many solid responses, but he killed as usual. Look how he gamed us too by making us ask for it.

[General Stalin]

Through reading WIA's post I actually forgot this thread was even about how to answer the banal "what do you do?" question...

That's powerful.

The biggest takeaway from what WIA is saying here is don't treat it like some shit test you have to "pass" - treat as just another great opportunity to flirt with her, joke around, get her smiling, get her touching you, etc. You can do all of these things and the question she asked is 100% irrelevant and you likely never answered it and she likely completely forgot she even asked you.

That's game. Taking stock conversation and making it fun and building a connection with it.