[Qwerty]

I am curious about suggestions or guides for dealing with women in a group who behave in a beta way. I am thinking of women who do things typical of a beta male who buys food and drinks and gives approval to an attractive woman for her attention. I have gotten into organizing some small groups and events to help me socially. There are often older lower smv women who show up and work to get my attention. I feel like I am the hot girl taking advantage of thirsty guys. Part of me says just go with it and enjoy the shift in smv. Another part is concerned about hurt feelings or anger toward me if they are expecting something. I do give them attention. Maybe that's enough. Attention is a drug for women. I imagine they are glad for any attention they can get in their age even if it's someone just listening to them for a few minutes. I do get some value in listening to them. I like seeing the results of certain female behavior in the latter part of life.

Please post a link to a thread if this has already been discussed.

[stefpdt]

I just look at those situations as a way to really push the limits of your game. Its kind of like open mic night at a comedy club. You can really get away with outrageous shit if you want to, and if you look like a clown, then it's no big deal. I think this happens kind of naturally when most guys feel extra entitled.

[WestIndianArchie]

This alpha beta stuff is polluting your game.

A woman who treats you well from the very beginning should be the NORM. Using red pill propaganda is distorting your reality.

Further, if a chick is treating you nice to get your attention realize that this is just *one* of her strategies. There are plenty of less attractive chicks that use the bitch/sassy strategy to get your attention.

Do not be fooled.

WIA

[RatInTheWoods]

Female Beta orbiters are a thing, they are great for pumping up your self esteem, doing little chores and back up lays.

Think of it like equality, just like feminism wanted.

[EDantes]

I think "Beliebers" is probably the best female equivalent to that phenomina.

Personal opinion is that while gifts are "voluntary", people who sycophantically give gifts of either sex are subconsciously "expecting" something in return, so they're technically manipulating you slightly into feeling like you "owe them" something; even if this is totally subconscious rather than intentional.

My personal decision would be to either decline gifts I don't need (especially if they're from those I don't trust) or, simply give back some "small" thing in return just so you won't feel "indebted" to them, even just a generous compliment is enough; then if they continue to act "entitled" to you it's them who are now being greedy rather than you being stingy.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Some of those older, lower smv women will simply be looking to validate themselves by sleeping with a younger, higher smv male. It's normal to get a sense that when a woman puts out for you that you owe her something in return, but that's a throwback to a different time than the one we live in now.

Still, biology will run its course. Some of these women might get the sense even subconsciously that they can get their hook into you, and if that happens then shit is going to get complicated. They will be driven to secure your balls for their own private usage and although they might not have the sexual magnetism of an 18 year old hostess you would be wise to be leery of them. Where they lack youth and beauty they sometimes gain cunning and sheer will.

If you start bedding these women then you will need to coat yourself in teflon, and the second you get the sense that one of them is quietly constructing walls around you, then...