Quote: (06-01-2016 09:34 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
Quote: (06-01-2016 11:37 AM)Orion Wrote:
Quote: (06-01-2016 05:26 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
Show me a man who thinks marriage is a guarantee of misery and I'll show you a man who's mother was a shitty wife.
Hard truths, buddy.
This is a rather plain and obvious attempt to silence someone by way of shaming.
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If you want something with a bit more meat on the bones, then here we go.
The average man bitching about marriage being a raw deal is generally not living a life conducive to finding and keeping a good woman (a term I'm sure you will say is objective, because you can reduce all debates about human behaviour to drivel by invoking "objective standards").
I used to be that guy. I bitched about there being no good women but the truth was that I was a lazy, feckless piece of human driftwood washing about on the shores of humanity with the rest of the trash. Chances of finding a good woman there? Nil.
Guys expect a wife to be loyal, obedient, hard working, traditionally minded, proper in public, willing in the sack and capable of raising children.
How many guys bitching about a lack of women with such characteristics actually tick most of these boxes themselves? How many of them have ever stepped foot into a place where these values were fostered through dozens of generations, like for example, a frigging church.
So sorry, you can't have it both ways. You can't hoover up the debauchery of modern life on the east/west coast and then bitch about how women are lazy gold diggers. Millions of men are happily married and will be for life because they not only chose a good woman but they made themselves good enough to be chosen by one in return. Typically that involves removing yourself from human cesspits and setting up shop where the people are so terribly dull and boring, dull and boring being progressive code for "intolerably traditional yet happy".
What's the alternative plan? To bomb around bars and gyms hoping to stumble across a stepford wife with low expectations?
If we take as a starting point the very fact that "women" are indeed not at the center of the issue, then, and only then we can actually have a debate.
So only there we can agree, but unfortunately, that is where it all ends.
If we take as a starting point the realistic approach to nature of women, one devoid of all sentimentality and chivalry, then we can agree that male assessment of women is same here as is in Japan. Remember, not for whiteness, or being German or being rich or poor or successful or religious. Of being a woman.
That being said, the entirety of the debate gravitates about
how society defines marriage. Today's marriage perhaps is overwhelmingly defined by women, and that exactly is what we mean by current definition of marriage. While women are same everywhere, definition of marriage is not.
There are by no means, in any society, two definitions or three definitions of marriage. Unless some society has by miracle two parallel legal systems influenced by two parallel cultural foundations.
Delusional, false judgement that sanity of marriage today depends of "quality" of a chosen bride, is a straightforward affirmation of matriarchy and female centricity in domain of public life and is in direct opposition to judgment that traditional societies held, that we supposedly look to as inspiration. These societies defined marriage from purely idealistic, hence masculine viewpoint, stripped of all sentimentality, typical nordic chivalry, servility and submission. Women were objects of marriage, not a conditio sine qua non. The whole concept of marriage was a concept of woman being sold to a suitable groom, for the whole purpose of advancement of traditional families.
Hence, the attitude that we need to make work to make ourselves appear desirable to women, by displaying set of traits they find desirable, is completely disastrous.
Not only is women's judgment on what is important completely flawed and superficial, but males who try to achieve that standard are inevitably leading themselves to their doom. If not financial, than to spiritual doom, guaranteed. You see, it was women's father in past, that decided whether a man was suitable, and he surely didn't make that decision by trying to find out whether a man will willingly spend his hard earned property on amusements and how high is his social status among the plebs.
Anybody who figures out the above, has a rather easy task to figure out how such marriage, from bottom to top, leads to undermining, and ultimately destroying any society, and how a woman at it's center, acting as a completely independent agent with her own individual ego, is a dangerous foe. And how "choosing a right woman" is a completely delusional concept which does not at all grasp the scale of the problem, which surpasses any individual situation.
All of this being said, i completely support marriage and reproduction in their traditional form. But unfortunately, i cannot honestly, without issuing a grand lie, recommend it to anyone today, and still wish him fortune in life.
Quote: (06-01-2016 10:42 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
"No decent women" rings about as true as "no such thing as game".
Both read "unwilling to make compromises to my current lifestyle to achieve the things I want".
I believe even the owner of this website came to a conclusion that dropping your intellectual goals in order to submit majority of your 24 hour daytime and life to poosy chasing was a complete waste