[All or Nothing]

(05-20-2016 02:01 PM)scrambled Wrote:  

I was listening to a lecture on Nutrition (Paleo) and Weight training (High Intensity) and the speaker mentioned offhand that in approaching girls, it's really a DNA genetic match thing, and no technique you do will make a difference. I don't think what he said is really game denial, as he still implies that approaching, (and presumably, if you are approaching bettering yourself), is still valuable. It is just that in the end, it's up to your genes. It does help explain why "all game is a numbers game", as Roosh stated, and prevents chasing dead end sets.

Is the guy onto something? Or should he stick to Paleo brownie recipes?

He is half correct.

Your DNA, aka your physical look and smell and overall vibe that people react to is something that you inherit.

If we look at this from a sales perspective. The DNA part is the "product". Game is the "marketing" for the product.

If your marketing is shit, you will never complete the sale no matter how good your product is. A less polished product (being shorter or not as good looking) can actually outsell a more polished one with great marketing.

Game matters, so does DNA. They are just two parts of a larger picture that feed into each other.

[RedPillUK]

I don't know if Doug McGuff's HIT methods work or not, however there are a lot of really skinny nerds now warning you of overtraining and talking about how training once a week is best for your body because of people like him now.

[Phoenix]

(05-22-2016 07:54 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

Your post above is not trollish in and of itself but the pattern of posts you have created combined with the lack of value you have added to the forum while having a high post count has troll written all over it.

Yeah he just doesn't fit in here at all. Now he's spouting "a man is the same as a woman" stuff? As though we're attracted by the same things? This after his foreign vs American girl bullshit, I'd go as far as to say he's the stealthiest feminist we've had yet.

He's basically against everything we stand for and believe in, if you look at some of the things he says. Before I think I called him a "failed member", but you might be right in that he's just an under-the-radar slow-burning troll.

[Phoenix]

(05-22-2016 06:49 AM)F1l1pV Wrote:  

Phoenix mentioned that intelligence, energy, charisma, social skills and drive etc have genetic aspects. The fact of the matter is that the only thing of those that has a genetic component to it is intelligence. Things like energy, charisma, social skills etc are influenced by the individuals environment rather than its genetics. Of course we have a thing called epigenetics but that is poorly understood and most likely doesn't affect ones charisma or social skills. A very social, funny and charismatic person isn't that way because of their genes, they are that way because the environment they grew up in encouraged that behaviour. Young children adapt extremely well to their environment and the behaviours they see early on in their lives greatly influence their personalities later on in life. People who come from a big, loud and social family tend to be loud and social aswell.

Those aspects are actually affected by genetics.

http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v5/n7/f...1596a.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_p...ritability
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8776880

Those studies seem to say it's about half-half. The thing is, genetics are foundational, and "always on". If you're genetically-influenced to be more neurotic or introverted, you or your family may be able to stretch that, but by that time the extrovert guy is already off in the distance.

This is exactly where the talk of "naturals" comes from. Naturals are just naturally extroverted and open guys who learned game instinctively through rapid and subtle trial and error and high sensitivity to social tells/feedback.

[TigerMandingo]

Interesting theory, actually makes some sense though I can see how it can be construed as game denialism.

Also, never understood the policing types on this forum, always trying to sniff out trolls. Probably hitting the report every 10 seconds. It's a forum for chrissakes, go out and enjoy life and "add value" there once you're done posting your opinion.

[Valentine]

(05-22-2016 03:45 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

In essence, it's the same for both gender. It's called 'Chemistry'.
Have you heard about it?

If there is no chemistry, you simply move on.
Reading a strategy on gaming a woman, writing a thread about her (you see those frequently), watching youtube video won't change that.

Smells like Game denialism.

Game creates the feeling of chemistry for women.

"ohmigod he just came out of nowhere and said hi and he was so confident omg!!"

So you just believe in chemistry instead and let things 'happen naturally' then?

+1 on the alert

The more you try to figure out like this, the less you look attractive.
Ask women if they want to date a guy who analyze about women like this. they will run. I don't want to hangout with a guy who deeply get into something like this.
We all want to hangout with guys who are just 'chill' instead of saying shits like 'According to scientists...'

So instead men should give up trying to figure out women?

Women don't want to know that you work to figure them out, they want a guy who just gets it, but they still need you to spend time and effort to figure it out or they won't be attracted.

And you don't want to chill with guys who discuss Game? That's what this forum is about. It's what this very thread you're participating in is about.

I get the idea of newbies overanalysing everything being slightly annoying but you sound exactly like 'Agony Aunt' advice columns just telling people to be themselves.

By the way, I recommend spending your time chatting up with some girls instead of following some asian dude's posts. do you think what you are doing is attractive to women?

(05-22-2016 07:54 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(05-22-2016 06:41 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

"No technique you do will make a difference"

Just flip it around.

So this girl really likes you. But you don't find her attractive at all. Are you saying some type of her technique can make herself more attractive to you?
She just doesn't have 'it' but she is trying to come up with some 'Game', how would you look at her?

Game for men us different from game for women congruent to the correlation between attractiveness to a man being different from what attractiveness means to a woman. So essentially you missed the point.

I thought I had seen you make similar game denialism focused arguments before and it's true. Beyond Borders called you out not too long ago for this. I believe that since then you were consciously keeping under the radar. I had you marked down for the hunt back then. One thing I realize now about trolls is that they slip up. I just wait for it. Your post above is not trollish in and of itself but the pattern of posts you have created combined with the lack of value you have added to the forum while having a high post count has troll written all over it.

Relevant post here: thread-52526...pid1199483

I'll let the mods decide what to do of course. However, you have sure as heck made it to the top of my list of potential trolls that bring the forum down. Congratulations. I'll be in touch.