[deerhunter]

Marriage is an awful contract for a man to enter into. The guys with great plans about finding the right woman and training her properly are clueless to the reality of "family law". Been there, done that. Got my two boys after a wasteful and expensive court battle, she moved 3,000 miles away but I still pay child support and alimony. You will have to reimburse her for her claimed but not verified attorney fees.
My 2 sons live with me thankfully.
Think the college false rape accusations are a one sided set up? Nothing compared to how the feminist family courts will treat your ass in a divorce. You will be an A.T.M. at every turn. Do not enter into this contract, no matter how bullet proof you think you are.
I don't care if she is from a rich family, that won't help you. I read that men pay 97% of the child support and alimony in the united states, but don't have a reference. I pay child support to a woman who abandoned her kids and rarely sees them, and yes I did have an expensive lawyer who did the most the law allows.

[Sensei Creation]

^ My worst nightmare . Did you have some sort of prenup ? I read somewhere recently that even those can be overturned by Judges in certain circumstances

[SpiderKing]

Look for a wife?

I'd rather go blind.

[rudebwoy]

Gosh this thread was hurting my head, until Deerhunter spoke.

You guys need to realize all women are the same, you will stand a chance only if you don't live in western countries.

[YossariansRight]

(12-18-2014 12:36 AM)deerhunter Wrote:  

Marriage is an awful contract for a man to enter into. The guys with great plans about finding the right woman and training her properly are clueless to the reality of "family law". Been there, done that. Got my two boys after a wasteful and expensive court battle, she moved 3,000 miles away but I still pay child support and alimony. You will have to reimburse her for her claimed but not verified attorney fees.
My 2 sons live with me thankfully.
Think the college false rape accusations are a one sided set up? Nothing compared to how the feminist family courts will treat your ass in a divorce. You will be an A.T.M. at every turn. Do not enter into this contract, no matter how bullet proof you think you are.
I don't care if she is from a rich family, that won't help you. I read that men pay 97% of the child support and alimony in the united states, but don't have a reference. I pay child support to a woman who abandoned her kids and rarely sees them, and yes I did have an expensive lawyer who did the most the law allows.

Much respect; you've earned a place of happiness in the afterlife.

Your post should be "stickied" as a reference.

So, so, SO FUCKING GLAD I never married, especially in the USA.

[Geomann180]

I want four kids. So in my mind, I want to get married in the future.

So the following are my thoughts - it makes sense to me right now where I stand at this point in time. I understand that my views may change.

However, there are several things I won't do:

1) I won't marry in a country where English is the native language.
2) I won't marry while I'm in the military
3) I won't live in my home country (the US)

I will try my best to marry a girl who:

1) Is a virgin before we meet
2) Comes from a good, traditional familiar
3) Is in her prime (16-21 years of age)
4) Has the qualities to make a supportive wife and a good mother
5) Is a good cook
6) Has a nice ass

I understand that some people may consider it to be looking for that all elusive unicorn, but I disagree. I think such girls do exist - you just need to know where to find them and to have enough for the girl and her family. I know they risks of getting demolished in family court - hence my remarks about not marrying in an English speaking country (though you could probably include any "Western" country) or while in the military. Despite my plans, there are still risks. Despite them, I still plan to get married. I accept the consequences, for ill or not.

That being said, everyone's entitled to their own opinions. This is mine.

G

[Rawmeo]

(12-19-2014 01:30 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

I want four kids. So in my mind, I want to get married in the future.

So the following are my thoughts - it makes sense to me right now where I stand at this point in time. I understand that my views may change.

However, there are several things I won't do:

1) I won't marry in a country where English is the native language.
2) I won't marry while I'm in the military
3) I won't live in my home country (the US)

I will try my best to marry a girl who:

1) Is a virgin before we meet
2) Comes from a good, traditional familiar
3) Is in her prime (16-21 years of age)
4) Has the qualities to make a supportive wife and a good mother
5) Is a good cook
6) Has a nice ass

I understand that some people may consider it to be looking for that all elusive unicorn, but I disagree. I think such girls do exist - you just need to know where to find them and to have enough for the girl and her family. I know they risks of getting demolished in family court - hence my remarks about not marrying in an English speaking country (though you could probably include any "Western" country) or while in the military. Despite my plans, there are still risks. Despite them, I still plan to get married. I accept the consequences, for ill or not.

That being said, everyone's entitled to their own opinions. This is mine.

G

I agree with that, and it's not an elusive unicorn, in Thailand there are plenty of girls who satisfy all your criterias. I have 2 girlfriends and they satisfy all that. Pretty much any SE Asia country has this kind of girls. However in the West you will never find that.

[Noir]

Long way away, but I would probably look for someone within my cultural boundaries. Mediterranean/Eastern European.

[Lance Blastoff]

You are fucking insane to want to get 'married.' There is absolutely no upside to it for a man. All obligations and no special benefit. Trust me, if she's "the one" then she'll accept not getting married. If the tradition is so important to you, depending on your state (or country), it may be an option to live publicly as "man and wife," with a ring, the same last names, but not be legally married. In others you may find that this results in a "Common Law Marriage." In many states (California, for example) prenups aren't enforced if the judge doesn't like it and decides it's "unconscionable."

Effectively, if you decide to get married, you basically have just chosen to give the family courts (a total fucking star chamber) jurisdiction over you life and decided to become your new wife's bitch, day one. There was a time when marriage offered some benefit to men (e.g. dowries, it entitled him to sex, etc) but that's no longer the case. Honestly, can you think of a single tangible benefit to a man to get married? For most of the last 40-50 years, the only reason to get legally married was respect for tradition. Since the 1970s, the state has used the courts as a mechanism to redefine marriage and in 2014, the institution bears little resemblance to what our traditions celebrated. In the last few years, the only reason why a man would get married is because he's relented to emotional extortion and is endlessly optimistic.

My plan with my current girlfriend is that we will become "married" if we decide to have children (she'll be 26 when she's finished with her professional training in four years) and then we can enter into a "Cohabitation Agreement," which in some states essentially trumps any palimony or "Marvin claims." We can then express exactly what our expectations are of each other in a contractual agreement that allows me to terminate the relationship without unknown consequences. I don't want her to work (but I do want her to have a career that can be a "fall back") so, in that agreement, I'll essentially reward her with a percentage of my income as the years pass, and allow her to accumulate separate assets so that she wouldn't be destitute if we broke up. A "Cohabitation Agreement" would allow us to establish what our rights and responsibilities are to each other, in advance; As opposed to some (probably crazy, liberal) loser family court judge, in retrospect.

(She would, naturally, prefer to get legally married, but she also understands how much horrific power this would give her over me, and how it would ultimately ruin our relationship - and consequently it's why I'll never agree to get married.)

I've learned over the years that that women's inherent nature requires you to maintain some leverage over her. Hypergamy is a fact of life, and living with women; It's part of accepting the red pill. If you don't have power over her, she'll lose all respect for you. Women want to feel safe and secure. Any guy who would voluntarily let himself be made into a bitch doesn't come off as the best decision-maker, and thus, protector. Women don't want you to surrender to them. Legally, the only real leverage you have is to dump her. The institution of marriage does nothing but deprive men of that power.

A great litmus test on a woman is to explain to her what the modern institution of marriage does to a man and about the alternative of "cohabitation agreement." If she still wants to get legally "married" then you know she's not a keeper.

[heavy]

Virgin, 18-22, parents still married, conservative family, loves her dad

Oh, that's what I did, to no avail:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-42999-...#pid896612

[Phoenix]

(12-18-2014 12:36 AM)deerhunter Wrote:  

Marriage is an awful contract for a man to enter into. The guys with great plans about finding the right woman and training her properly are clueless to the reality of "family law". Been there, done that. Got my two boys after a wasteful and expensive court battle, she moved 3,000 miles away but I still pay child support and alimony. You will have to reimburse her for her claimed but not verified attorney fees.
My 2 sons live with me thankfully.
Think the college false rape accusations are a one sided set up? Nothing compared to how the feminist family courts will treat your ass in a divorce. You will be an A.T.M. at every turn. Do not enter into this contract, no matter how bullet proof you think you are.
I don't care if she is from a rich family, that won't help you. I read that men pay 97% of the child support and alimony in the united states, but don't have a reference. I pay child support to a woman who abandoned her kids and rarely sees them, and yes I did have an expensive lawyer who did the most the law allows.

Fucking raw. Wow.

[Dantes]

(12-19-2014 10:02 AM)Lance Blastoff Wrote:  

You are fucking insane to want to get 'married.' There is absolutely no upside to it for a man. All obligations and no special benefit. Trust me, if she's "the one" then she'll accept not getting married. If the tradition is so important to you, depending on your state (or country), it may be an option to live publicly as "man and wife," with a ring, the same last names, but not be legally married. In others you may find that this results in a "Common Law Marriage." In many states (California, for example) prenups aren't enforced if the judge doesn't like it and decides it's "unconscionable."

Effectively, if you decide to get married, you basically have just chosen to give the family courts (a total fucking star chamber) jurisdiction over you life and decided to become your new wife's bitch, day one. There was a time when marriage offered some benefit to men (e.g. dowries, it entitled him to sex, etc) but that's no longer the case. Honestly, can you think of a single tangible benefit to a man to get married? For most of the last 40-50 years, the only reason to get legally married was respect for tradition. Since the 1970s, the state has used the courts as a mechanism to redefine marriage and in 2014, the institution bears little resemblance to what our traditions celebrated. In the last few years, the only reason why a man would get married is because he's relented to emotional extortion and is endlessly optimistic.

My plan with my current girlfriend is that we will become "married" if we decide to have children (she'll be 26 when she's finished with her professional training in four years) and then we can enter into a "Cohabitation Agreement," which in some states essentially trumps any palimony or "Marvin claims." We can then express exactly what our expectations are of each other in a contractual agreement that allows me to terminate the relationship without unknown consequences. I don't want her to work (but I do want her to have a career that can be a "fall back") so, in that agreement, I'll essentially reward her with a percentage of my income as the years pass, and allow her to accumulate separate assets so that she wouldn't be destitute if we broke up. A "Cohabitation Agreement" would allow us to establish what our rights and responsibilities are to each other, in advance; As opposed to some (probably crazy, liberal) loser family court judge, in retrospect.

(She would, naturally, prefer to get legally married, but she also understands how much horrific power this would give her over me, and how it would ultimately ruin our relationship - and consequently it's why I'll never agree to get married.)

I've learned over the years that that women's inherent nature requires you to maintain some leverage over her. Hypergamy is a fact of life, and living with women; It's part of accepting the red pill. If you don't have power over her, she'll lose all respect for you. Women want to feel safe and secure. Any guy who would voluntarily let himself be made into a bitch doesn't come off as the best decision-maker, and thus, protector. Women don't want you to surrender to them. Legally, the only real leverage you have is to dump her. The institution of marriage does nothing but deprive men of that power.

A great litmus test on a woman is to explain to her what the modern institution of marriage does to a man and about the alternative of "cohabitation agreement." If she still wants to get legally "married" then you know she's not a keeper.

Good points. Seems like you have done your homework.

Most quality girls in their 20's are not going to accept this "Cohabitation Agreement". Women have their own self-interests. They understand the situation and the power they have. Power is not given away easily. Our foolish great grandfathers gave it away and we are paying the price.

I don't buy that there will be any empathy for men once the unfairness of the legal system towards men is explained. You should anticipate that she will do everything to convince you to marry her. The question is will you be willing to walk away if she insists on marriage.

[BiggNastee]

I would stop

[Lance Blastoff]

(12-20-2014 11:04 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

The question is will you be willing to walk away if she insists on marriage.

Nail = head. But this applies to every damn situation with a woman. You must always be able and willing to walk away. The legal institution of marriage denies you that.

[Mentavious]

I wonder how many dudes think they are fucking virgins in Asia. If there is such thing as a male hamster it's dudes rolling through SE Asia and believing that these hoes are virgins.

Comeon now, ya'll know the game.

[Lance Blastoff]

(12-22-2014 05:56 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  

I wonder how many dudes think they are fucking virgins in Asia. If there is such thing as a male hamster it's dudes rolling through SE Asia and believing that these hoes are virgins.

Comeon now, ya'll know the game.

It's much clearer and black and white than the US; If you met her in a club, she's almost certainly a whore. If you were introduced to her by friends from church, then she's likely a virgin.