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Field report from a rock bar
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Field report from a rock bar

Allright, slow day at work, so I will write up a field report. Just a fun night for me, not many game lessons here, nor questions either.

OK, so last night I went to Lumiere's favorite bar in Sofia, Bulgaria - Rock'n'Rolla. I've been to that place a few times, but always with friends - not to pull. That job I'd rather do alone, since most of my friends (although good guys) are either older and married, or younger and inexperienced. So they most often not only do not help, but actually hinder me either by acting beta or sometimes even cockblocking.
I remember I once went out with this guy whom I picked up in my car since he lives closeby, and then when I was going to give this girl I met a ride to her place, he got in the car with us because he wanted a ride too. I was like dude, why don't you take a cab, but he said what's the big deal, I'll ride home with you after you drop her off. How do you explain to such people that the whole point of giving a ride to a girl is not to waste gas around town, but to try to weasel your way into her place, and you don't need him to ride along to help you do that?!?

Anyway, so last night I went out to a beer garden with some people from work first, and when they left I checked out a few places but they were not really going strong, it being Tuesday and mid-summer when a lot of people are out to the beach. So I headed to Rock'n'Rolla which is a pretty decently decorated place, not like a biker's bar despite its name and the music it plays (hard rock and heavy metal). It is actually pretty refreshing to spend a night listening to such music, as most other clubs in Sofia seem to play either Balkan Folk, or 80s-90s music, with the occasional house/techno night thrown in. So here is how it went.

12:30am I head in and am surprised at the ratio, since one would expect mostly guys and metal-heads, but actually around half the people are girls, and not bad-looking either. There are two big mixed groups of 10-15 people, and several smaller mixed sets (5-6 people or so). There is even one group of 5-6 girls alone. I am not the type of guy to approach within 3 seconds of spotting a girl - I like to observe who is with whom first. So I head to the bar.

1am I am posted at the bar and had my first beer and checking out the dynamics around. I am warmed up by opening two sets, one was girls who were dressed in black tops with the requisite rock accessories so I opened with something like "I could tell this bar is where you were headed if I saw you on the street" and the other was girls who were dressed in regular club clothes so I opened with "I would not have thought you listened to rock if I had not met you in this bar". However, none of these interactions went much further than 3-4 lines back and forth, so I ejected.

1:30am Having my second beer and talked up a girl who just gave me the hand motion meaning "go away". It is pretty loud, Bon Jovi is singing some crap about someone being shot down. How appropriate.

1:45am I moved to a different part of the bar because I saw a group of 3 girls walk in, sit at the bar, and order a bottle of Johnnie Red for themselves. I did not at first talk to them, but talked to a girl next to them - she was with another girl and a guy, obviously a couple. I figured she'd be bored, but she turned out either not interested in me, or pretty shy, or short of wit, because she just stared and didn't talk back. The other girl actually smiled at me though, so I busted the first one's balls a bit in front of her friend. The friend said no, she's not shy, she just couldn't hear well, it's so loud, but go on, talk to her, dance with her. Whatever. That girl did not dig me.

2am I have moved into the set of 3 girls with the bottle of Johnnie, using Roosh's line "Seems like you're the person who's having the most fun in this place -because I thought that person was I..." which I have found works great everywhere and in all languages I know. The girls are kind of stuck up a bit at first, but as the bottle is being progressively emptied, they warm up somewhat.

2:15am I go to the bathroom and fill my empy beer bottle with tap water. I don't do this because I can't afford another beer (it's only $2 in Bulgaria anyway) but I have my car with me and I've already had 4-5 beers. I have found by experience 1 beer per hour is fine for me, as I metabolize it and if I get pulled over the Breathalyzer shows something positive but below the legal limit. So rather than getting water from the bar in a water glass and looking square for drinking water in a rock bar, I just fill my beer bottle from the tap. That way I can keep partying and saying cheers (people say cheers pretty frequently in Bulgaria, pretty much at every other sip you clink your glass with your peeps, especially as you get drunker)

2:30am I am making good progress with one of the girls. The other two keep hugging and even pretend to make out. One very tall dude (at least 7 feet, perhaps 7 1/2, really freakish) came to slow-dance with my girl on some metal ballad, so he provided at least 5 minutes worth of conversation/mocking material with the other two, and with my target after he left. I also spitted some canned material, and decent kino was underway.

2:45am I get another beer and tell the girls it's gonna be my last drink here but we can drive elsewhere together if they want to change the scene. A couple of guys approach but don't talk up the girls, they just stare. Then another slow song begins so I say to my girl "you should dance with that guy, give him props for being brave enough to approach" - so she goes and that dude surprised me by trying to kino her, which she did not mind and even move in for the kiss, which she resisted. I was like wow, these dudes don't mess around. When she sat down, I motioned him over to say Hi and it turned out he was Spannish, that's why he did not speak to her at all, because he tried but she only spoke Bulgarian. There were a few other guys from Spain with him - I gotta give the boys respect, it's 3am and they still got the energy to pull, and don't mess around but go caveman on a foreign girl. He was staying at some hostel nearby (plenty of them in the neighborhood) and he invited me to stop by next evening for an early beer with his boys before heading out. As if. Anyway, he was a fun guy and I did the "arriba, abajo, alcentro" thing with him that I know all Spanish guys enjoy if you've made the trouble to learn that part of their culture.

3:15am The girls paid their bill and we got up to go, they wanted to go to another bar with a live singer (piano bars, they call them here) so I said let me get my car but this BITCH (the uggliest of the three, of course) says no, we'll just get a cab. Now that is the danger of rolling solo, if there is a group of girls there is noone to diffuse the cockblock which will inevitably be forthcoming. Of course, I had tried to talk to all of them earlier, and establish some rapport, but apparently it was not enough. So this girl, who by that time has had at least 6-8 shots of whiskey in her (they drank one bottle between the 3 of them) even has the nerve to ask me why I am with them, and it was their girls night out. So I say "I'm not with you, I'm with her" and grab my girl's hand, but she says "I should stay with my friends, but why don't you drive in your car and meet us there". Of course, I did not go. That would have been just a waste of time anyway, and I had to get up in the morning and go to work.

So there it is, another night ruined by a cockblock, ruined not just for me but for this girl as well - I am sure I could have shown her a good time, but her friend hated that idea of course, having no guy for herself that evening. It would have been easy, I believe, to get her phone number and perhaps bang her after a date or two, but I've stopped collecting numbers for years now, for various reasons. I go all in, SNL or nothing. Mostly, if I go sarging I do it for the fun of it and just to keep in shape. You know, to be sure that if I were single I would be able to go out and bang a girl in a week, if I decided to.

And finally, here are some pictures of that bar. It turned out not a bad place. But don't go on weekends - it gets crowded, and there will be a lot of guys, loud obnoxious guys who will play air guitar and swing their long hair in your face.

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#2

Field report from a rock bar

Funny enough, I've been thinking of posting on something related.

I've never been much of a fan of rock music myself, but a few nights ago I went with some guys to a rock/heavy metal club. The women were quite slutty looking, however I stuck out like a sore thumb since I was the only non-white there. It worked a bit to my advantage since a few women found me interesting. The atmosphere was also good since the people here didn't look like they gave much of a screw about anything.

What stumped me was, how do you dance to rock music? I'm an okay dancer, but I can flow more to hip hop, house, techno beats. Everybody else was just banging their heads around, something that doesn't suit my composure. Anyone know of a video demonstrating good dancing to rock music?
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Field report from a rock bar

K-Man, I didn't read through your field report, but I'm curious how you get away with gaming, staying out late, partying/drinking when you are married and have a kid? I'm not trying to harsh on your game, but I'm wondering if you are in an open relationship, if your wife is so submissive that she doesn't give you shit for going out alone and partying, or if you have to be deceitful and lie to her?

I will understand if you don't feel like divulging this information, but I just wonder how a guy with a wife and kid is able to dance around those obstacles and still be able to game?
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Field report from a rock bar

I only do this every now and then when my wife is out of town visiting her parents, or when I'm out of town. Or now she's at the beach house with the kid, and I have to stay in town and work - not enough vacation time. So it's only fair I should at least get to party once in a while.
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Field report from a rock bar

I love that place but its probably a better place to take a girl than to pick up a girl

Just curious k-man, what would you do if you got a positive repsonse from a girl that was DTF bearing in mind u are married with a kid?
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Quote: (07-22-2011 02:49 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Just curious k-man, what would you do if you got a positive repsonse from a girl that was DTF bearing in mind u are married with a kid?

Fuck her in the car. Or weasel my way to her place, in the classic Roosh way.
I'm surely not taking a girl home - I don't want her to leave any hairs or her G-string under the bed! And, call my ethics funny if you want, but I think it would be disrespectful to my family to bring some ho to the house when they are away.

But mostly like I've said, I don't push real hard to go there, I'm content to just have fun and keep my game in shape in case I ever need it.
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Field report from a rock bar

U don't have any moral qualms about doing the dirty on your wife?
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#8

Field report from a rock bar

Let's talk about this when you've been married for a while, so we're on even ground.
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Field report from a rock bar

Wouldn't you be happier with a divorce? I mean, how can you have any effective game with such limitations on how you move?
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Field report from a rock bar

Not to judge, but everyone these days wants to have their cake and eat it too. What would you do, if your wife was pulling the same moves on you, when you were out of town? Just saying... the game is cold these days.
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Quote: (07-23-2011 04:40 AM)K-man Wrote:  

Let's talk about this when you've been married for a while, so we're on even ground.

I dont even do fenced in relationships (relationships based on sexual ownership) so the chances of me ever getting married is exactly zero.

Were you aware that you were not going to faithful before you ever got married?
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Quote: (07-23-2011 06:13 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Wouldn't you be happier with a divorce?

I would not ever think of it. Family is the #1 most important thing in my life. Yeah, I still like to go out every now and then basically have fun and make sure my game is still in shape, I don't think there's much harm in this if you are respectful and discrete.

Quote: (07-23-2011 06:13 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

I mean, how can you have any effective game with such limitations on how you move?

Effective game, meaning being able to fuck-close? Yeah, I've lost a number of notches I could have had if I was more free logistically - but so what? I'm happy about my game as long as it's able to create attraction, even though not consummated. Wait, am I turning into a woman?
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Quote: (07-23-2011 06:45 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Not to judge, but everyone these days wants to have their cake and eat it too. What would you do, if your wife was pulling the same moves on you, when you were out of town? Just saying... the game is cold these days.

Cheap shot - it's not the same for men and women, as you well know.
If a wife wants to feel desired by someone else other than her husband, it's enough for her to just go out and look pretty (as mine does).
Now, if a husband wants that kind of validation, how is he supposed to get it?

It just makes everyone a more happy, successful, and fun to be around person if they know they are attractive and desired by the opposite sex. So I don't think I am doing my wife a disfavor by staying up-to-date with my game.

But that is way off-topic for this thread, anyway.
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Quote: (07-20-2011 05:24 AM)K-man Wrote:  

Allright, slow day at work, so I will write up a field report. Just a fun night for me, not many game lessons here, nor questions either.

OK, so last night I went to Lumiere's favorite bar in Sofia, Bulgaria - Rock'n'Rolla. I've been to that place a few times, but always with friends - not to pull. That job I'd rather do alone, since most of my friends (although good guys) are either older and married, or younger and inexperienced. So they most often not only do not help, but actually hinder me either by acting beta or sometimes even cockblocking.
I remember I once went out with this guy whom I picked up in my car since he lives closeby, and then when I was going to give this girl I met a ride to her place, he got in the car with us because he wanted a ride too. I was like dude, why don't you take a cab, but he said what's the big deal, I'll ride home with you after you drop her off. How do you explain to such people that the whole point of giving a ride to a girl is not to waste gas around town, but to try to weasel your way into her place, and you don't need him to ride along to help you do that?!?

Anyway, so last night I went out to a beer garden with some people from work first, and when they left I checked out a few places but they were not really going strong, it being Tuesday and mid-summer when a lot of people are out to the beach. So I headed to Rock'n'Rolla which is a pretty decently decorated place, not like a biker's bar despite its name and the music it plays (hard rock and heavy metal). It is actually pretty refreshing to spend a night listening to such music, as most other clubs in Sofia seem to play either Balkan Folk, or 80s-90s music, with the occasional house/techno night thrown in. So here is how it went.

12:30am I head in and am surprised at the ratio, since one would expect mostly guys and metal-heads, but actually around half the people are girls, and not bad-looking either. There are two big mixed groups of 10-15 people, and several smaller mixed sets (5-6 people or so). There is even one group of 5-6 girls alone. I am not the type of guy to approach within 3 seconds of spotting a girl - I like to observe who is with whom first. So I head to the bar.

1am I am posted at the bar and had my first beer and checking out the dynamics around. I am warmed up by opening two sets, one was girls who were dressed in black tops with the requisite rock accessories so I opened with something like "I could tell this bar is where you were headed if I saw you on the street" and the other was girls who were dressed in regular club clothes so I opened with "I would not have thought you listened to rock if I had not met you in this bar". However, none of these interactions went much further than 3-4 lines back and forth, so I ejected.

1:30am Having my second beer and talked up a girl who just gave me the hand motion meaning "go away". It is pretty loud, Bon Jovi is singing some crap about someone being shot down. How appropriate.

1:45am I moved to a different part of the bar because I saw a group of 3 girls walk in, sit at the bar, and order a bottle of Johnnie Red for themselves. I did not at first talk to them, but talked to a girl next to them - she was with another girl and a guy, obviously a couple. I figured she'd be bored, but she turned out either not interested in me, or pretty shy, or short of wit, because she just stared and didn't talk back. The other girl actually smiled at me though, so I busted the first one's balls a bit in front of her friend. The friend said no, she's not shy, she just couldn't hear well, it's so loud, but go on, talk to her, dance with her. Whatever. That girl did not dig me.

2am I have moved into the set of 3 girls with the bottle of Johnnie, using Roosh's line "Seems like you're the person who's having the most fun in this place -because I thought that person was I..." which I have found works great everywhere and in all languages I know. The girls are kind of stuck up a bit at first, but as the bottle is being progressively emptied, they warm up somewhat.

2:15am I go to the bathroom and fill my empy beer bottle with tap water. I don't do this because I can't afford another beer (it's only $2 in Bulgaria anyway) but I have my car with me and I've already had 4-5 beers. I have found by experience 1 beer per hour is fine for me, as I metabolize it and if I get pulled over the Breathalyzer shows something positive but below the legal limit. So rather than getting water from the bar in a water glass and looking square for drinking water in a rock bar, I just fill my beer bottle from the tap. That way I can keep partying and saying cheers (people say cheers pretty frequently in Bulgaria, pretty much at every other sip you clink your glass with your peeps, especially as you get drunker)

2:30am I am making good progress with one of the girls. The other two keep hugging and even pretend to make out. One very tall dude (at least 7 feet, perhaps 7 1/2, really freakish) came to slow-dance with my girl on some metal ballad, so he provided at least 5 minutes worth of conversation/mocking material with the other two, and with my target after he left. I also spitted some canned material, and decent kino was underway.

2:45am I get another beer and tell the girls it's gonna be my last drink here but we can drive elsewhere together if they want to change the scene. A couple of guys approach but don't talk up the girls, they just stare. Then another slow song begins so I say to my girl "you should dance with that guy, give him props for being brave enough to approach" - so she goes and that dude surprised me by trying to kino her, which she did not mind and even move in for the kiss, which she resisted. I was like wow, these dudes don't mess around. When she sat down, I motioned him over to say Hi and it turned out he was Spannish, that's why he did not speak to her at all, because he tried but she only spoke Bulgarian. There were a few other guys from Spain with him - I gotta give the boys respect, it's 3am and they still got the energy to pull, and don't mess around but go caveman on a foreign girl. He was staying at some hostel nearby (plenty of them in the neighborhood) and he invited me to stop by next evening for an early beer with his boys before heading out. As if. Anyway, he was a fun guy and I did the "arriba, abajo, alcentro" thing with him that I know all Spanish guys enjoy if you've made the trouble to learn that part of their culture.

3:15am The girls paid their bill and we got up to go, they wanted to go to another bar with a live singer (piano bars, they call them here) so I said let me get my car but this BITCH (the uggliest of the three, of course) says no, we'll just get a cab. Now that is the danger of rolling solo, if there is a group of girls there is noone to diffuse the cockblock which will inevitably be forthcoming. Of course, I had tried to talk to all of them earlier, and establish some rapport, but apparently it was not enough. So this girl, who by that time has had at least 6-8 shots of whiskey in her (they drank one bottle between the 3 of them) even has the nerve to ask me why I am with them, and it was their girls night out. So I say "I'm not with you, I'm with her" and grab my girl's hand, but she says "I should stay with my friends, but why don't you drive in your car and meet us there". Of course, I did not go. That would have been just a waste of time anyway, and I had to get up in the morning and go to work.

So there it is, another night ruined by a cockblock, ruined not just for me but for this girl as well - I am sure I could have shown her a good time, but her friend hated that idea of course, having no guy for herself that evening. It would have been easy, I believe, to get her phone number and perhaps bang her after a date or two, but I've stopped collecting numbers for years now, for various reasons. I go all in, SNL or nothing. Mostly, if I go sarging I do it for the fun of it and just to keep in shape. You know, to be sure that if I were single I would be able to go out and bang a girl in a week, if I decided to.

And finally, here are some pictures of that bar. It turned out not a bad place. But don't go on weekends - it gets crowded, and there will be a lot of guys, loud obnoxious guys who will play air guitar and swing their long hair in your face.



Why would you send her into the arms of another man? Aren't there other compliance tests?
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Why would you send her into the arms of another man? Aren't there other compliance tests?

I don't remember now how exactly that interaction went down, but I was trying to make fun of the other buy for being too much of a pussy to approach himself. Which makes you shine by comparison.
Not saying that it worked as planned. Or that I even had a plan for that specific line - a lot of the talking at night is just to keep the conversation flowing so you don't lose momentum.
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