[Constitution45]

Call it an 'out there' theory but i've noticed my mood and body changes when I drink copious amounts of tap water. I become more emotional and I feel weaker, I believe this has something to do with the estrogen in the water. Other fitness specialists mentioned this and suggested using testosterone pills and there are other solutions that I would like people to put forward.

This also would give another explanation to why men in the U.K and the U.S are so feminine, aside from cultural reasons; diet must play a part.

Any suggestions or personal experiences would be welcome.

[thoughtgypsy]

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[Demandred]

I usually drink bottled water. Now, I know that plastic bottles have xenoestrogens in them which lower testosterone, but I'm choosing lesser of two evils. I try to have my diet, gym routine and sleep on the lock and the last time I tested my testosterone levels they were high enough.

I've heard that some fitness guys who are extra careful about xenoestrogens drink only water from glass bottles, but I don't know how practical is to do that every day.

There is also an option of using tap water filter, Mike from Danger and Play has a post on that, maybe you could try that out and see if it works for you.

[hydrogonian]

This morning I happened to price out spring water delivery. In my area, it's $2 per month rental for the spicket/cooler that it sits on (if you want it) and around $7 delivered per 5 gallon jug. Two jugs plus a cooler rental came to $17 and change to include tax, per month, for delivered water. So, three jugs would be around $24 per month. There was also a one time jug deposit that came to around $6 per 5 gallon jug. That charge would only occur in the first month. Spring and distilled water were available. I only priced out one service. Other services may be cheaper or more expensive, but probably not by much.

[911]

The quality of your tap water depends on where you live. One thing that might push me to drink bottled water is if tap water is fluoridated.

[DJ-Matt]

Reverse osmosis is the easiest way to remove fluoride, and many other things. The feds recently reduced the amount that a plant is allowed to mix in with the water, but IMO any of that shit is bad for you. Plus it did no good for me, after I looked up my Muni's records they're already putting in the smaller amount.

Buy the spring water stand from walmart instead of renting. If you want to get some exercise you can do the bottle swap yourself also.

[Vice]

You can get an RO+UV water filtration system installed. Search on Amazon, they're pretty cheap, easy to install DIY, and cheaper than bottled water in the long run.

[thoughtgypsy]

Get a Berkey filter

[Clockwerk]

It true that Reverse Osmosis water actually removes minerals from your body? I was told that since even minerals have been removed from it, it will actually draw minerals out of your body.

I buy the 10L plastic bottles. They are high density plastic("2"-rated) and so I think they are less likely to leech into the water.

[JayJuanGee]

Of course we need to drink water, and so maybe getting water from only one source may end up causing issues... Surely I had always considered flouride and chlorine in the water as being problematic to gut flora.. but I had not really given a lot of thought to estrogen .. which could be true.

I think also that if we are otherwise engaging in good health practices, then our bodies are going to be able to tolerate more of the toxins and impurities in tap water. I probably drink tap water a couple times a week. I mostly filter my water, but yeah of course, we don't want minerals removed either and maybe playing in the dirt more would be a good thing, if only I had a garden, hm?

[Brendan]

If I haven't bought any water recently, I boil tap water, let it cool down until it's cold then put it in a bottle and refrigerate it. It's something my mum did for health reasons. Not sure if boiling the water kills any added chemicals though.

[LeightonBlackstock]

I only drink bottled, mineral water (cheap to do in Thailand. Only 3 baht more than 'drinking water').

I too have heard about 'drinking water'/reverse osmosis water having a low mineral content, hence it doesn't hydrate you fully. This was confirmed to me by a lecturer/researcher at Mahidol university who specialises in water treatment

I used to drink reverse osmosis water and I didn't feel fully hydrated after even large amounts of it, so I tested it versus a mineral water and it felt/tasted very different.

This could all be a placebo effect though, so I'm interested to hear others' views.

[The Beast1]

I think the mineral argument is bull. Taking a look at this article:

https://www.nwl.co.uk/_assets/documents/..._water.pdf

Most of those minerals can easily come from food or supplements. Especially Zinc and Magnesium. If you were drinking nothing but water then yes you would need those minerals.

With that said, the only things i'd be concerned the most in tap water are Chlorine and Flouride. Chlorine will evaporate from water if left out long enough. Fluoride, however, is far more nefarious.

I learned today that London doesn't fluoridate their water. Strangely, i've noticed that i've had premonitions while living here that came true (Brexit being the biggest one). It's said that fluoride accumulates in the pineal gland which would affect one's ability to hear things from the spirit world.

Take that info for what it is worth. I would filter out fluoride.

[Repo]

Testosterone pills are garbage, and I wouldnt take any advice from anyone who suggested them. There are other threads which go into more detail on this. If your worried about your testosterone and estrogen levels, get them tested, you could be worried over nothing.

[defguy]

I have been using a counter top water distiller for years. Got it off Amazon for ~$200 and it is a game changer. I can literally taste tap water now, even smell it. Ill take a shower and it literally smells like the pool from all the chlorine in basic tap water. IT sounds crazy but you'll shit your pants seeing how much crap is left on the bottom of the distiller in each gallon of water. You basically calcify your body over time drinking 1 gallon a day. And I drink 1/3 a gallon at the gym alone.

There is no sound and the video is too long but you can skip through the video to see the point. That nasty stuff at the end, you get that in EVERY gallon of water you drink, it adds up over time. NOTE: different areas have different contaminants in the water. Where I live in TX its "Very hard water" so its less brown murky like the video and mostly like chalk on the bottom of my distiller. Ill clean it out and have literally powdered clumps like wet chalk on the bottom of my next batch.

[Kinko]

Rain water

[thoughtgypsy]

Kinko, I tried PMing you but your profile is set to having PMs disabled. Here's my reply:

Kinko Wrote:

Hi how do you like the Berkey filters? Are they bogus or what?

Had mine for years. Still have the original filters. I'll never go back and I have no need to, It'll last forever.

It's not bogus: it will even filter out viruses, bacteria, and pharmaceuticals. A lot of homesteaders (especially in Hawaii I've heard) collect rainwater in tanks and pour it through a Berkey before drinking.

It's a big up front cost, but after that you won't have to spend another penny for years (when you replace filters).

Only big downside you have to get over is the slow flow rate, but you get into the habit of filling it up at the beginning or end of the day.

[Sherman]

I don't drink tap water. I get a 5 gallon jug of pure filtered water from across the street for 9 pesos. I think I am getting better water in Mexico.

[Kinko]

Thanks gypsy. Yeah I read about Berkeys years ago and it is about time for me to invest in one.

Rain water is ultimately the healthiest water because it is charged perfectly. Too bad there is so much bad stuff being sprayed into the air now a days, you know? A lot of rain drops may be slightly contaminated before it hits the ground. However I would love to have a fresh glass of rain water.

I also heard at least one state made it illegal to collect rain water. That is Washington state?

Another option is to make a hole in the ground to collect pure condensation, like survivalists do. Thats a big job if you want a gallon per day but again that is like drinking dew. From a health perspective that dew and rainwater cannot be matched by any filtration machine.

Also (uncomfirmed statement here) I have heard that reverse osmosis does not remove fluoride from water. I would hope that is not the case because my current water source is RO treated with UV light, stored and conditioned in glass jugs.

With RO water I doctor the water up with crude grey sea salt. I am not big on supplements but I do use Magnesium chloride oil for transdermal absorbtion of magnesium.

It gets much worse though because if you want to avoid ingesting fluoride then you can forget about consuming most produce in grocery stores. I believe most produce is grown with heavily fluorinated water and fluoride is added in various ways throughout the entire grow cycle plus probably sprayed and treated more before getting on shelves.

Chlorine is also a huge issue. An example is drinking out of water fountains. Its refreshing to drink but you will notice after five minutes your stomach feels off. The chlorine is like draining your body of vital charges. It is like reducing the electricity in the body. I believe that is very real.

Fluoride is the biggest culprit with draining our bodily energy.

I dunno. I am no super scientist but having a clean water source is extremely important to figure out and water can be very complex.

[thoughtgypsy]

(07-26-2016 10:51 PM)Kinko Wrote:  

Also (uncomfirmed statement here) I have heard that reverse osmosis does not remove fluoride from water. I would hope that is not the case because my current water source is RO treated with UV light, stored and conditioned in glass jugs.

FYI, the base Berkey filters do not filter fluoride either. You need to buy a separate white "PF2/4" element for each filter element, and screw them onto the bottom of the filter element.



You'll have to "prime" them for a while before using them, otherwise you might get a strange taste that some reviews on amazon report. I looked into buying them a while ago, but decided not to bother. Where I live, they don't fluoridate the water.

You can check the flouride level in your area here: https://nccd.cdc.gov/DOH_MWF/Default/Default.aspx

Just a heads up, but the fluoride removal add-ons also have the downside of taking up space where the filtered water collects. Thus you're only going to be able to fill up the filter halfway at a time, as the outlet is now a lot further down.

[JayJuanGee]

(07-27-2016 02:49 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

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You can check the flouride level in your area here: https://nccd.cdc.gov/DOH_MWF/Default/Default.aspx

I really like this whole CDC website providing some reports regarding at least the "yes" or "no" aspects of whether fluoridation is taking place in some cities, yet it seems quite strange that there are whole states that are completely without information.. including my current state of California. Holy Fuck.

[Ballr]

Why isn't there a (1) solution for all? All I see is multitude of suggestions that vary.

- Evian Bottle
- Berkey Filters
- Tap water is more regulated
- Reverse Osmosis has lack of minerals or too much
- Gerolsteiner Mineral Water (which is contained in glass)

[thoughtgypsy]

(07-27-2016 04:00 PM)Grindhard Wrote:  

Why isn't there a (1) solution for all? All I see is multitude of suggestions that vary.

- Evian Bottle
- Berkey Filters
- Tap water is more regulated
- Reverse Osmosis has lack of minerals or too much
- Gerolsteiner Mineral Water (which is contained in glass)

Often in life, there are trade offs to every option.

- Evian Bottle: Easy to carry, cheap, but comes in BPA container and is unregulated. Not practical for cooking
- Berkey Filters: Great for water purification, but slow flow rate and high up front cost
- Tap water: Free, but contains potentially harmful substances and chemicals
- Reverse Osmosis: similar to Berkey
- Mineral Water: Similar to Evian except higher quality, but more expensive

[DJ-Matt]

Some RO systems have an attachment that puts minerals back into the water afterwards.

[Kinko]

I think water is mostly drank to hydrate and lubricate the body. It is not so much for ingesting minerals, know what I mean?

Furthermore, reverse osmosis water may be clean but it is essentially dead water. Berkey filtered water is dead too.

Fresh rain water and fresh dew is full of energy. It is like a freshly charged battery. Rain water and dew is brimming with life.

Still my decision is to buy a Berkey for drinking water.

Rain barrels are best for watering a garden.