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Shit Tests
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Shit Tests

How do you distinguish between a girl's shit test and her legitimately not being interested? I sometimes struggle with this and it throws me off my game.

For example, the other night at a bar I approached a girl who had made eye contact with me. I talked to her for about two minutes before she said you never asked me if I was interested. This threw me off my game as it was the first time I had ever heard something like this. My game could use improvement but I'm a good looking guy so I usually assume girls will give me a chance. I wasn't sure how to respond. Any thoughts on if this was a shit test or not? The actual rejection doesn't bother me as much as figuring out what was going through her mind.
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#2

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If she wasn't interested she wouldn't talk to you. Assume everything is a shit test.

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#3

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lol @trying to figure out whats in her mind.

interested in whatttt. if i had a dollar for everytime i heard something that i hadn't heard before, i'd have a few dollars here and there.

the best response when a girl starts talking is to close your eyes and just shhhhhhhhhush tell her to save her brain cells. try that
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#4

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just play your game....who cares what she is thinking and interested or not.
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#5

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Quote: (07-10-2011 03:14 PM)Hoopster Wrote:  

How do you distinguish between a girl's shit test and her legitimately not being interested?

Legitimate question. Still I think you approach this situation the wrong way. Often a girl shit tests are used when she isnt sure about you. According to how you respond she will decide if she is coming out or not. This is basic. Other times though shit tests are just internalized behavioral patterns that she uses without being aware of them, ergo every time she meets a guy, whether she likes him or not. Confusing right?

I think you should disregard what she thinks. Just be congruent with who you are. The key is to dodge her shit tests. Or put up with them if, and only if, that is consistent with your personality. The rest will come along. You just need the tools to recognize the shit tests and treat them for what they are. That is all that matters.

For instance, yesterday my wingman had a date set for 5pm with this 7 he picked up last week. She canceled the date, calling him, at 2.10pm, saying "I'm at the beach with a bunch of friends and I'm afraid I wont make it to 5pm" She invited him to join and her and her friends though (shit test). He wisely declined to hang out with her and her buddies. He managed to reschedule drinks for Tuesday. She asked him to pick her up (shit test #2). In this 2nd case though I advised him to pick her up, as despite complying to her shit test he is more likely to lock down the date. However after the date, he got to be careful not to reward this behavior of her any longer, or she will keep trying to get away with as much as she can.

In other words, the key is to identify the shit tests and have the ability to dodge them and decide what to do, being in control. Not to figure out what a girl is thinking. That is a lost cause! why? because women are extremely volatile and change their minds continuously!
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Quote: (07-10-2011 03:14 PM)Hoopster Wrote:  

How do you distinguish between a girl's shit test and her legitimately not being interested?

First, for you it should not matter if she is interested or not. She may be not interested right now, it is your job to make sure she is. If you tell her a few good stories and make her laugh, she may become interested right away. And even if she is interested but you approach her with "you come here often? whats your name? what do you do?" she'll become not interested very fast. As a general rule, however, if she is participating in the conversation, she is interested. If she is listening without looking away, yawning or playing with her phone, she may be not interested yet but you still have a chance. Usually it is very clear when she is not interested.

Second, a shit test is generally an indicator of interest. It basically means that your behavior, body language or something else is not congruent with the image you're presenting to her, but she is curious enough in you to dig deeper to find out whether the problem is in your body language (i.e. your image is correct but your body language is wrong), or your body language is right and you're faking your image. For example, in your case you presented yourself as a guy who is confident enough to boldly approach and talk to an attractive (as she thinks) woman. Those are valuable qualities which show you have social skills. However something - maybe your body language was nervous - made her suspicious whether you're really confident, or just playing it. So she threw away the test on you.

Shit test could be addressed differently, depending on your style. However the main rule is to be non-reactive to the test, which means:

- You must not get angry, offended or apologizing;
- You must keep the image you're presenting and not changing it;
- You must keep the control over the conversation (in this case changing the subject and starting the discussion whether she was interested or not would pass the control to her)

The easiest way would be just to smile, pat her on her back and continue with your speech. "Shhh, I am talking now" is optional, but also may be used here. At that stage the tests do not really require the answers, they're testing your frame.

Another way to address it would be cocky-funny, but unless you have a lot of experience it would be hard for you to come up with the good line right away, and if you hesitate, you'd become reactive, i.e. lose the test.

Later in the conversation when she is already attracted to you, she might ask the same questions, but their purpose would be different. For example, the "how old are you" in the first thirty seconds of the conversation is a shit test which deserves the generic "I am young enough to do it often, but old enough to do it right" line or something like that. However if you already talked for two hours and started discussing things like common tastes in music, movies, and so on, this question may be a "want to know you better" type, and might justify a straight, "honest" answer.

NB. Some people seem to believe shit tests is something girls learn during teenage years. This is not true. Even kids who cannot speak yet often shit-test the parents, typically in form of "how much I can get away with?" and "who is the boss?". Screaming brats you sometime see in stores is a perfect example of such a test.
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