[Easy_C]

I wouldn't bother. Churches only really have power in small towns. If you want something with real reach join a secret society in college, or join the Masons.

Just be extremely careful with that. 90% of Masons have no clue what their actually signing up for and what the Masonic religion is actually about. It can also be extremely difficult to actually advance because you won't rise to the top of that organization unless you're a third generation member.

[Prince of Persia]

(01-13-2016 04:22 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Be careful about who you align yourself to in politics. I have a rival from college who now works on the Hillary campaign. His tweets are next to hilarious and i've thought about trolling him with a fake Twitter account especially with all of the Hillary dirt coming out recently.

Needless to say, it is pretty obvious he picked the wrong team to be on and will subsequently get shafted for the next 8 years because of it at least at the federal level.

OP, have you considered starting small and working on a local campaign? The city and state level of government is actually a good place to get your feet wet. You can also avoid the problem of the libtard I mentioned above wasting 2 years on a dead campaign.

That's what my dad always tells me, but I usually brush the advice off, thinking that I'm "too good" for local politics. Of course, I have massive hubris (I guess it's a good trait for politics?! lol) but it does seem like the best option. I might do that this summer before college starts to get save up some $$ and get experience.

[Prince of Persia]

(01-13-2016 05:46 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 01:29 AM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

Extrapolating from my current GPA and SAT/AP/etc. scores, I'm pretty certain that I can swing the GPA/LSAT score for a top school, especially if I go to an uber-grade inflated school (i.e. Harvard, Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford). Networking skills are something that I'll definitely work on, though.

As far as pursuing neither medicine nor law, I really want to have a graduate degree and solid career before transitioning into politics. My tastes are far too refined to not be making enough to support the kind of lifestyle I like, and politician's salary's are dismal (and rightly so; people shouldn't be attracted to politics for the money).

Brah, if you're as smart as you claim you are, and really do get into HYPS, forget medicine or law. Go straight into finance. Work 2 years as an analyst, bank around 180/k per year for the first two years, taking you to age 24. Then, get an MBA from Harvard, Stanford, or Penn and go into private equity until you're 30. At that point you'll have earned something on the order of a few million dollars and made connections with the people who actually matter in this shitty world of today.

If you then still feel like pursuing politics, you'll have the necessary resources. If not, you'll be earning high six figures or low 7 figures with several decades more of this kind of ever growing earning power to look forward to. Barring winning the lottery or achieving atypical success as an entrepreneur, life is all about that first job. The best way to leverage HYPS (again assuming you get in, which is doubtful) is to go into finance. Attending a top 5 school and NOT using it to get into finance would be frankly 'tarded.

The only thing stopping me from finance is that a) it's not intellectually prestigious b) I'm not good at/don't enjoy math and c) the general public obviously does NOT have a favorable opinion of bankers and thus it could be difficult to get voters to trust me.
I can't believe I'm actually about to say this, but money is not my primary motivator in life. Politics is my true passion, and while I would like to be at the very least upper middle class, I would still love it and want to pursue it if it meant making next to nothing.

[Prince of Persia]

(01-13-2016 07:44 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Lizard of Oz is spot on his advice. Do what he says and you will be far in advance of many of your peers, who aren't thinking past the tips of their dicks.

If you want to do what you're talking about, get into an Ivy League school or equivalent (e.g. NorthWestern, Chicago-Boothe, etc).


Keep in mind that your grad school matters a hell of a lot more than your undergrad, with the possible exception of high finance where the right pre-undergrad experience can set you up for cushy private equity or corporate strategy roles. Also keep in mind that there is somewhat of a crunch in law, where law degrees are rapidly becoming less demanded and less financially/prestige rewarding than they used to be.

Second, don't be heartbroken if you don't get into those schools. There are a lot of other schools which do extremely well in areas of strength. I know of at least two state schools that consistently place undergrads into top finance jobs. Georgetown has ridiculously good placement both grad and undergrad, while the University of Texas will set you up nicely if you're smart and ambitious.

My biggest source of anxiety right now is college decisions. I will be completely devastated if I don't get in anywhere good (top 25) and I can't stop thinking about it; I've been busting my ass since I was 12 for this. I know that college isn't the end-all-be-all, but I can't help but think about how many doors would open for an Ivy Leaguer.

[Prince of Persia]

(01-13-2016 07:58 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

I wouldn't bother. Churches only really have power in small towns. If you want something with real reach join a secret society in college, or join the Masons.

Just be extremely careful with that. 90% of Masons have no clue what their actually signing up for and what the Masonic religion is actually about. It can also be extremely difficult to actually advance because you won't rise to the top of that organization unless you're a third generation member.

Lol I think I'm good with the Masons. HYP do have secret societies though, and at other schools Greek life is the next best thing. Will definitely join an organization of that sort either way.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

(01-13-2016 07:58 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

I wouldn't bother. Churches only really have power in small towns. If you want something with real reach join a secret society in college, or join the Masons.

Just be extremely careful with that. 90% of Masons have no clue what their actually signing up for and what the Masonic religion is actually about. It can also be extremely difficult to actually advance because you won't rise to the top of that organization unless you're a third generation member.

I should have been more clear.

I don't think he should join a particular church because of the power of that church.

I think he should join a Christian church (any will do), because otherwise he will be subject to rumors about being an atheist or a muslim, which is almost as damaging for high office chances as being gay. I think at least 20% of voters would never vote for a candidate who doesn't go to church, and that is devastating to electoral chances.

I think it will be a century before an atheist or a homosexual has a chance at the presidency.

edit: 1,000 posts! Thanks to the RVF community for being what it is.

[Easy_C]

Doesn't stop most politicians from claiming that they're "Christians" in spite of absolutely zero evidence that they ever attended church.

[Prince of Persia]

(01-14-2016 03:39 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 07:58 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

I wouldn't bother. Churches only really have power in small towns. If you want something with real reach join a secret society in college, or join the Masons.

Just be extremely careful with that. 90% of Masons have no clue what their actually signing up for and what the Masonic religion is actually about. It can also be extremely difficult to actually advance because you won't rise to the top of that organization unless you're a third generation member.

I should have been more clear.

I don't think he should join a particular church because of the power of that church.

I think he should join a Christian church (any will do), because otherwise he will be subject to rumors about being an atheist or a muslim, which is almost as damaging for high office chances as being gay. I think at least 20% of voters would never vote for a candidate who doesn't go to church, and that is devastating to electoral chances.

I think it will be a century before an atheist or a homosexual has a chance at the presidency.

edit: 1,000 posts! Thanks to the RVF community for being what it is.

The numbers against atheists are terrifying. Good news is, my generation (Gen Z) is the most irreligious generation the world has ever seen, so religion will be much less of a concern to my future constituents. However, to stay on the safe side, I should join a Christian denomination. Can I just start going to church or do I have to formally convert and be baptized and all that?

[slothpiece]

I'm surprised nobody has raised an important component of being a successful politician: You need to be proficient and effective at raising political contributions.

I've been working in DC for nearly 9 years. From what I've gathered during this quest to acquire greatness, I've learned money rules everything.

I had a bug to get into politics in college. This bug led me here.

I've worked in many aspects of the whole cog: political fundraising, grassroots issue advocacy, non-profit membership and trade associations and government. Most of the people I've met along this journey have not had fuckloads of money on hand. Some have come from influential families from their home territories, but none have had money to floss to eventually throw towards a spontaneous or organized campaign to run for a seat in Congress. I can point out a few people total who had the balls (or maybe one who didn't have balls) to run for the seat of their retiring boss and won.

State legislator positions seem like you need to live in either CA or NY to perform in a legislative position like that year-round without the need for extra cashflow on the side. Many have side gigs to compensate for that needed cashflow though.

If you were not born into a political family with roots from that area, you are probably wasting your time thinking you will run a campaign to overthrow that family for your turn at that seat in power. It can be done though.... with money.

Like someone mentioned before, hopefully you can go into finance. If you have cash like that, you will meet people in circles who also have cash like that.

Having cash like that gives you the ability to attend or host fundraisers for politicians. Knowing how to host a good fundraiser where certain groups are magnetized to wanting to attend these fundraisers is a way of meeting the people you want to meet. If you build a niche or you work in a niche where this group of people you want to meet wants to participate, you build a following. You can then build a coalition. You build a coalition, you create the narrative.

I'm currently creating plans for myself to infiltrate higher circles in Washington I am not a part of. You always read about them in the political rags though. I think hosting fundraisers for politicians is a good way of infiltrating certain circles you likely won't meet. It also makes sense to join as a member of many charitable organizations for some of the causes you *care so deeply about*. Then you're expanding your potential network even further.

Personally, I think you should pursue law directly after 4 years of college. Don't bother with a double major or taking on some aide job in Washington before applying for law school. Take on a major like computer science or engineering. If you must, do political science or english. You can spend three years during that time studying for the LSAT so you get a 180 your first try.

[Prince of Persia]

(01-14-2016 11:31 PM)slothpiece Wrote:  

I'm surprised nobody has raised an important component of being a successful politician: You need to be proficient and effective at raising political contributions.

I've been working in DC for nearly 9 years. From what I've gathered during this quest to acquire greatness, I've learned money rules everything.

I had a bug to get into politics in college. This bug led me here.

I've worked in many aspects of the whole cog: political fundraising, grassroots issue advocacy, non-profit membership and trade associations and government. Most of the people I've met along this journey have not had fuckloads of money on hand. Some have come from influential families from their home territories, but none have had money to floss to eventually throw towards a spontaneous or organized campaign to run for a seat in Congress. I can point out a few people total who had the balls (or maybe one who didn't have balls) to run for the seat of their retiring boss and won.

State legislator positions seem like you need to live in either CA or NY to perform in a legislative position like that year-round without the need for extra cashflow on the side. Many have side gigs to compensate for that needed cashflow though.

If you were not born into a political family with roots from that area, you are probably wasting your time thinking you will run a campaign to overthrow that family for your turn at that seat in power. It can be done though.... with money.

Like someone mentioned before, hopefully you can go into finance. If you have cash like that, you will meet people in circles who also have cash like that.

Having cash like that gives you the ability to attend or host fundraisers for politicians. Knowing how to host a good fundraiser where certain groups are magnetized to wanting to attend these fundraisers is a way of meeting the people you want to meet. If you build a niche or you work in a niche where this group of people you want to meet wants to participate, you build a following. You can then build a coalition. You build a coalition, you create the narrative.

I'm currently creating plans for myself to infiltrate higher circles in Washington I am not a part of. You always read about them in the political rags though. I think hosting fundraisers for politicians is a good way of infiltrating certain circles you likely won't meet. It also makes sense to join as a member of many charitable organizations for some of the causes you *care so deeply about*. Then you're expanding your potential network even further.

Personally, I think you should pursue law directly after 4 years of college. Don't bother with a double major or taking on some aide job in Washington before applying for law school. Take on a major like computer science or engineering. If you must, do political science or english. You can spend three years during that time studying for the LSAT so you get a 180 your first try.

Great post. I'll start prepping for the LSAT second semester freshman year of college. I hope it works out well for you in politics; hopefully we'll run into each other in D.C. one day!

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

I still think USMC is a much more valuable tool to an aspiring politician than law school.

It basically makes it impossible for any future political opponent to trash your character or paint you as an elitist.

It also makes a lot of people willing to take you seriously and vote for you. It gives you real respect as a patriot willing to put himself on the front lines. In contrast people hate lawyers and view them as a bunch of sniveling, limp wristed pansies and cowards.

A democrat with military background is great, since you can get crossover votes from Republicans.

It will also give you excellent leadership experience, brass balls, etc.

Don't join the DC circle jerk.

Become the kind of person who has real appeal rather than a manufactured narrative. Don't get down on your knees to suck some oligarch cock. At best you will become someone's bitch, doing their legislative bidding, and one day you will wake up and wonder why the fuck you ever chose this path in the first place.

[Switch]

PoP as someone who just went through college apps last year I want to assure you that you will be getting into AT LEAST ONE of the top schools you applied for. Most of my peers with scores and extracurriculars similar to yours applied to 4-5 Ivies and got into at least one. Worst case scenario for you is you'll end up at a top tier state school, which is fine. Do not fret. Everything will be ok.

Edit- for politics it might even be better to go to a good state school as opposed to an Ivy. Think of it as being a big fish in a small pond, where you're truly the top person there for getting leadership positions at your school, etc. At an Ivy, you're not going to be even close to the smartest person there. Ivy leaguers are generally well connected, rich, in addition to being as smart and as ambitious as you. Something to consider.

[The Black Knight]

You have no business going into medicine and being a doctor. Being a doctor isn't a stepping stone career choice. You go into because you have a passion for real deal medicine. You won't last otherwise.

Law school would make a tiny bit more sense; especially if you went to the best law school in a state you want to do state politics in. That's a semi-common route beyond the ivy league schools. Top state law school to state office to federal office.

But above all, you need to learn how to become a creditable leader; not a networking / political junkie if we are talking about elective office (if you want to be a behind the scenes operative, that's a different story). The tide is turning on the establishment/old-school type of career politician who talks out of his ass all the time.

With Twitter, Youtube, and crowd-sourcing, you don't need mass sums of money to get your message out. Use game and bang a few local reporters to write/air good shit about you if needed.

Look at Trump and Sanders right now. You don't have to agree with what they say but they have REAL conviction and that makes them stand out like a naked woman in the middle of a all-male prison. Genuine conviction will take you far.

The other side of the coin is leadership experience: Run a business, become a combat officer, become the face for a legit cause, or manage something of real consequence. No one is gonna give a shit about student government experience, how you were some corporate analyst, or your passion for politics. People want to see leaders with backbone and conviction AND have a history of getting the job done running things. You need to have one of the two for sure.

Get the leadership experience and combine it with real conviction and you will be a force to be reckon with.

[Pepini]

(01-15-2016 08:02 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

You have no business going into medicine and being a doctor. Being a doctor isn't a stepping stone career choice. You go into because you have a passion for real deal medicine. You won't last otherwise.

Yeah. Sure. FUCK YOU. Fuck you elitist fuck. Pretentious litle fuck. Who are you to say what he can or can´t do? Corrupt doctors don´t exist? Doctors are one of the most evil class in the world. People still think it´s only the pharma companies that are dirty. When doctors play their role too accepting the bribes. They just pretend more. They turn a blindside. And protect themselves like a mafia. Fuck doctors. Fuck them. Fuck doctors. 1 out of 100 are not corrupt. My problem is not with corruption. I don´t mind corruption. Because it´s human nature. I would rather it didn´t exist. But people which pretend to be honest, but are corrupt. Or are legally corrupt. Which is the worse kind. People which can legally harm you. Because they bribe the politicians to pass laws benefiting them.

Anyway I´ve already derailed this thread too much and will probably get a ban. Fuck it.

Law is better than medicine to achieve politics. What to doctors know anyway? They are mechanics with a degree. And let me tell you a secret. They don´t want to go into politics because they like the status quo and don´t want to upset anybody. It´s like when there´s a family member who become a drug addict. Nobody talks about them.

Doctors... I just wish I could one day have a saying in doctors and pharma companies. They would probably bribe me. You know why there are no doctors in politics? Because they don´t have an opinion. They are blend. They only voice their opinion to protect their interests and their little buble. It will burst my friend. It will.

Maybe it would be good to have a doctor in politics to change things. But they are too precious. Living in their litle tower castle. Can´t be bothered. And in the end are WEAK. Can´t get their hands dirty. Others will do it for them and they can continue to pretend to be something their not.

To answers your question. Just check the list of US presidents that were lawyers. (probably 80%) there are no doctors, what a surprise evil cunts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pr...occupation

1George WashingtonLand Surveyor, Farmer/plantation owner, Soldier (General of United Army of the Colonies)
2John AdamsLawyer, Farmer
3Thomas JeffersonLand Surveyor, Writer, Inventor, Lawyer, Architect, Farmer/Plantation owner, Diplomat, Linguist, Theologian
4James MadisonFarmer/plantation owner
5James MonroeFarmer/plantation owner, Lawyer
6John Quincy AdamsLawyer
7Andrew JacksonSoldier (General of The US. Army), Lawyer
8Martin Van BurenLawyer
9William HarrisonSoldier
10John TylerLawyer
11James PolkLawyer, Plantation owner
12Zachary TaylorSoldier (Army Major General)
13Millard FillmoreLawyer
14Franklin PierceLawyer
15James BuchananLawyer, Diplomat
16Abraham LincolnLand Surveyor, Lawyer
17Andrew JohnsonSoldier, Tailor
18Ulysses GrantSoldier, General of the Army
19Rutherford HayesLawyer
20James GarfieldSchool teacher, minister, soldier
21Chester ArthurSchool teacher, lawyer, collector of tariffs
22, 24Grover ClevelandSheriff, lawyer, assistant teacher
23Benjamin HarrisonLawyer, journalist
25William McKinleyLawyer, Soldier
26Theodore RooseveltPublic Official, Rancher, Soldier
27William TaftLawyer, judge, law reporter, dean of law school at the University of Cincinnati
28Woodrow WilsonLawyer, professor, president of Princeton University
29Warren HardingNewspaper publisher/editor
30Calvin CoolidgeLawyer, Public Official, Vice President of Northampton Savings Bank
31Herbert HooverEngineer, Investor
32Franklin RooseveltLawyer
33Harry TrumanFarmer, Soldier, haberdasher
34Dwight EisenhowerSoldier, Five Star General, President of Columbia University
35John F. KennedyWriter, Sailor (Navy Lieutenant)
36Lyndon JohnsonTeacher, Public Official
37Richard NixonLawyer, Sailor (Navy Lieutenant Commander)
38Gerald FordFootball Player, Sailor (Navy Lieutenant Commander), Lawyer
39Jimmy CarterSailor (Navy Lieutenant),[2] peanut farmer,[3] writer
40Ronald Reagan[4][5]Actor & broadcaster, President of the Screen Actors Guild[6]
41George H. W. BushPilot (Navy Lieutenant, Junior Grade),[7] Businessman (Oil),[8] C.I.A. Director, Ambassador to China.
42Bill ClintonLawyer, Law lecturer
43George W. BushPilot (Texas Air National Guard), Businessman (Oil,[9] baseball)[10]
44Barack ObamaCommunity Organizer, Lawyer, Professor[11]

I put legal actions against them but it´s not enough. Because they protect themselves. To tell a doctors is a piece of shit. You need another doctor. And two pieces of shit can´t smell good.

[Prince of Persia]

(01-15-2016 08:02 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

You have no business going into medicine and being a doctor. Being a doctor isn't a stepping stone career choice. You go into because you have a passion for real deal medicine. You won't last otherwise.

Law school would make a tiny bit more sense; especially if you went to the best law school in a state you want to do state politics in. That's a semi-common route beyond the ivy league schools. Top state law school to state office to federal office.

But above all, you need to learn how to become a creditable leader; not a networking / political junkie if we are talking about elective office (if you want to be a behind the scenes operative, that's a different story). The tide is turning on the establishment/old-school type of career politician who talks out of his ass all the time.

With Twitter, Youtube, and crowd-sourcing, you don't need mass sums of money to get your message out. Use game and bang a few local reporters to write/air good shit about you if needed.

Look at Trump and Sanders right now. You don't have to agree with what they say but they have REAL conviction and that makes them stand out like a naked woman in the middle of a all-male prison. Genuine conviction will take you far.

The other side of the coin is leadership experience: Run a business, become a combat officer, become the face for a legit cause, or manage something of real consequence. No one is gonna give a shit about student government experience, how you were some corporate analyst, or your passion for politics. People want to see leaders with backbone and conviction AND have a history of getting the job done running things. You need to have one of the two for sure.

Get the leadership experience and combine it with real conviction and you will be a force to be reckon with.

Any tips for how to get legit leadership experience or examples of ways to get involved in college and beyond, assuming I go the law school path?

[The Black Knight]

(01-15-2016 02:22 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:02 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

You have no business going into medicine and being a doctor. Being a doctor isn't a stepping stone career choice. You go into because you have a passion for real deal medicine. You won't last otherwise.

Law school would make a tiny bit more sense; especially if you went to the best law school in a state you want to do state politics in. That's a semi-common route beyond the ivy league schools. Top state law school to state office to federal office.

But above all, you need to learn how to become a creditable leader; not a networking / political junkie if we are talking about elective office (if you want to be a behind the scenes operative, that's a different story). The tide is turning on the establishment/old-school type of career politician who talks out of his ass all the time.

With Twitter, Youtube, and crowd-sourcing, you don't need mass sums of money to get your message out. Use game and bang a few local reporters to write/air good shit about you if needed.

Look at Trump and Sanders right now. You don't have to agree with what they say but they have REAL conviction and that makes them stand out like a naked woman in the middle of a all-male prison. Genuine conviction will take you far.

The other side of the coin is leadership experience: Run a business, become a combat officer, become the face for a legit cause, or manage something of real consequence. No one is gonna give a shit about student government experience, how you were some corporate analyst, or your passion for politics. People want to see leaders with backbone and conviction AND have a history of getting the job done running things. You need to have one of the two for sure.

Get the leadership experience and combine it with real conviction and you will be a force to be reckon with.

Any tips for how to get legit leadership experience or examples of ways to get involved in college and beyond, assuming I go the law school path?

Assuming you go down the law school? I couldn't say really. I suppose you could run for a local office while in or immediately post-law school. I think law school is a mistake unless you really see yourself doing lawyer stuff and this is something to worry about 3-4 years from now. The law field is over-saturated and very expensive to enter. A dangerous combination if you are having to borrow the money.

But if you can honestly get into a top tier undergraduate/ivy league program, my focus would be in trying to network hard with other students and alumni. The connections one can make as an undergrad at these top tier schools is incredible during and post-graduation. There will be a few hard chargers going into various directions: politics, business, technology, non-profit/social causes. Align yourself with these people and and team-up for something during college or post-college that involves doing big things. You will no doubt get some leadership experience that way.

[Prince of Persia]

(01-15-2016 08:11 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 02:22 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:02 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

You have no business going into medicine and being a doctor. Being a doctor isn't a stepping stone career choice. You go into because you have a passion for real deal medicine. You won't last otherwise.

Law school would make a tiny bit more sense; especially if you went to the best law school in a state you want to do state politics in. That's a semi-common route beyond the ivy league schools. Top state law school to state office to federal office.

But above all, you need to learn how to become a creditable leader; not a networking / political junkie if we are talking about elective office (if you want to be a behind the scenes operative, that's a different story). The tide is turning on the establishment/old-school type of career politician who talks out of his ass all the time.

With Twitter, Youtube, and crowd-sourcing, you don't need mass sums of money to get your message out. Use game and bang a few local reporters to write/air good shit about you if needed.

Look at Trump and Sanders right now. You don't have to agree with what they say but they have REAL conviction and that makes them stand out like a naked woman in the middle of a all-male prison. Genuine conviction will take you far.

The other side of the coin is leadership experience: Run a business, become a combat officer, become the face for a legit cause, or manage something of real consequence. No one is gonna give a shit about student government experience, how you were some corporate analyst, or your passion for politics. People want to see leaders with backbone and conviction AND have a history of getting the job done running things. You need to have one of the two for sure.

Get the leadership experience and combine it with real conviction and you will be a force to be reckon with.

Any tips for how to get legit leadership experience or examples of ways to get involved in college and beyond, assuming I go the law school path?

Assuming you go down the law school? I couldn't say really. I suppose you could run for a local office while in or immediately post-law school. I think law school is a mistake unless you really see yourself doing lawyer stuff and this is something to worry about 3-4 years from now. The law field is over-saturated and very expensive to enter. A dangerous combination if you are having to borrow the money.

But if you can honestly get into a top tier undergraduate/ivy league program, my focus would be in trying to network hard with other students and alumni. The connections one can make as an undergrad at these top tier schools is incredible during and post-graduation. There will be a few hard chargers going into various directions: politics, business, technology, non-profit/social causes. Align yourself with these people and and team-up for something during college or post-college that involves doing big things. You will no doubt get some leadership experience that way.

I'll do some more research on the legal field. I love arguing, playing devil's advocate, having intellectual dialogues, etc., but the day-to-day practice of law probably involves none of that. I would actually become suicidal if my job consisted of me doing a bunch of paperwork all day, but the reality is that a good chunk of law grads end up doing just that. I have no doubt that I can work hard enough to get into a top law school + get a nice scholarship, so the job market isn't a HUGE concern as of right now. If my LSAT practice tests and GPA aren't looking nice by junior year, I'll obviously reconsider; there's no way I'd enter law if I couldn't get into a t-14.

And yeah, networking with my fellow students seems to be key. Do you have any knowledge about exactly how you network though? When I picture people "networking" I imagine some sort of fancy gala with people just walking around talking to each other...in college, does it just simply consist of going to parties, joining the right organizations, etc.?

[scenicway]

(01-15-2016 02:34 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

I still think USMC is a much more valuable tool to an aspiring politician than law school.

It basically makes it impossible for any future political opponent to trash your character or paint you as an elitist.

It also makes a lot of people willing to take you seriously and vote for you. It gives you real respect as a patriot willing to put himself on the front lines. In contrast people hate lawyers and view them as a bunch of sniveling, limp wristed pansies and cowards.

A democrat with military background is great, since you can get crossover votes from Republicans.

It will also give you excellent leadership experience, brass balls, etc.

Don't join the DC circle jerk.

Become the kind of person who has real appeal rather than a manufactured narrative. Don't get down on your knees to suck some oligarch cock. At best you will become someone's bitch, doing their legislative bidding, and one day you will wake up and wonder why the fuck you ever chose this path in the first place.

Agreed.

I'm a USN officer getting out soon, and I have some pretty sexy opportunities starting to present themselves purely from the mil experience. Real "one percenter" type stuff. It is golden on a resume.

I also know a couple USMC officers that got out recently. One of them actually dropped out of first year of college with me (at a shitty state school) before we got our shit together. He's now at Harvard Business School and the others at London Business School.

Of course you have to plan and take the right steps for the mil to work in your favor. Most guys get out and don't do shit. But it can be a great equalizer for some of us from modest academic backgrounds.

[scenicway]

(01-15-2016 12:00 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:02 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

You have no business going into medicine and being a doctor. Being a doctor isn't a stepping stone career choice. You go into because you have a passion for real deal medicine. You won't last otherwise.

Yeah. Sure. FUCK YOU. Fuck you elitist fuck. Pretentious litle fuck. Who are you to say what he can or can´t do? Corrupt doctors don´t exist? Doctors are one of the most evil class in the world. People still think it´s only the pharma companies that are dirty. When doctors play their role too accepting the bribes. They just pretend more. They turn a blindside. And protect themselves like a mafia. Fuck doctors. Fuck them. Fuck doctors. 1 out of 100 are not corrupt. My problem is not with corruption. I don´t mind corruption. Because it´s human nature. I would rather it didn´t exist. But people which pretend to be honest, but are corrupt. Or are legally corrupt. Which is the worse kind. People which can legally harm you. Because they bribe the politicians to pass laws benefiting them.

Anyway I´ve already derailed this thread too much and will probably get a ban. Fuck it.

Law is better than medicine to achieve politics. What to doctors know anyway? They are mechanics with a degree. And let me tell you a secret. They don´t want to go into politics because they like the status quo and don´t want to upset anybody. It´s like when there´s a family member who become a drug addict. Nobody talks about them.

Doctors... I just wish I could one day have a saying in doctors and pharma companies. They would probably bribe me. You know why there are no doctors in politics? Because they don´t have an opinion. They are blend. They only voice their opinion to protect their interests and their little buble. It will burst my friend. It will.

Maybe it would be good to have a doctor in politics to change things. But they are too precious. Living in their litle tower castle. Can´t be bothered. And in the end are WEAK. Can´t get their hands dirty. Others will do it for them and they can continue to pretend to be something their not.

To answers your question. Just check the list of US presidents that were lawyers. (probably 80%) there are no doctors, what a surprise evil cunts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pr...occupation

1George WashingtonLand Surveyor, Farmer/plantation owner, Soldier (General of United Army of the Colonies)
2John AdamsLawyer, Farmer
3Thomas JeffersonLand Surveyor, Writer, Inventor, Lawyer, Architect, Farmer/Plantation owner, Diplomat, Linguist, Theologian
4James MadisonFarmer/plantation owner
5James MonroeFarmer/plantation owner, Lawyer
6John Quincy AdamsLawyer
7Andrew JacksonSoldier (General of The US. Army), Lawyer
8Martin Van BurenLawyer
9William HarrisonSoldier
10John TylerLawyer
11James PolkLawyer, Plantation owner
12Zachary TaylorSoldier (Army Major General)
13Millard FillmoreLawyer
14Franklin PierceLawyer
15James BuchananLawyer, Diplomat
16Abraham LincolnLand Surveyor, Lawyer
17Andrew JohnsonSoldier, Tailor
18Ulysses GrantSoldier, General of the Army
19Rutherford HayesLawyer
20James GarfieldSchool teacher, minister, soldier
21Chester ArthurSchool teacher, lawyer, collector of tariffs
22, 24Grover ClevelandSheriff, lawyer, assistant teacher
23Benjamin HarrisonLawyer, journalist
25William McKinleyLawyer, Soldier
26Theodore RooseveltPublic Official, Rancher, Soldier
27William TaftLawyer, judge, law reporter, dean of law school at the University of Cincinnati
28Woodrow WilsonLawyer, professor, president of Princeton University
29Warren HardingNewspaper publisher/editor
30Calvin CoolidgeLawyer, Public Official, Vice President of Northampton Savings Bank
31Herbert HooverEngineer, Investor
32Franklin RooseveltLawyer
33Harry TrumanFarmer, Soldier, haberdasher
34Dwight EisenhowerSoldier, Five Star General, President of Columbia University
35John F. KennedyWriter, Sailor (Navy Lieutenant)
36Lyndon JohnsonTeacher, Public Official
37Richard NixonLawyer, Sailor (Navy Lieutenant Commander)
38Gerald FordFootball Player, Sailor (Navy Lieutenant Commander), Lawyer
39Jimmy CarterSailor (Navy Lieutenant),[2] peanut farmer,[3] writer
40Ronald Reagan[4][5]Actor & broadcaster, President of the Screen Actors Guild[6]
41George H. W. BushPilot (Navy Lieutenant, Junior Grade),[7] Businessman (Oil),[8] C.I.A. Director, Ambassador to China.
42Bill ClintonLawyer, Law lecturer
43George W. BushPilot (Texas Air National Guard), Businessman (Oil,[9] baseball)[10]
44Barack ObamaCommunity Organizer, Lawyer, Professor[11]

I put legal actions against them but it´s not enough. Because they protect themselves. To tell a doctors is a piece of shit. You need another doctor. And two pieces of shit can´t smell good.

What in the fuck is all this about? Can you summarize all this in a coherent paragraph? I'm really intrigued.

Someday you will need the services of a physician, and I'd recommend having a little more positive attitude towards someone trying to help you out.

[Sonoma]

Things to consider- you're probably conservative and you're Persian. They don'the exactly go together politically.

You'll honestly be better off trying local elections to get a feel for it, and I would do law. One thing to consider is the cost (I was a political science major who wanted to get my law degree after, but financially that wasn't happening)

You have a lot of years ahead of you before you have any sort of power at all, and being a lawyer is a desk job, just so you come to terms with that.

If you're looking for money and networking, I would major in business or Pols depending on your school, because your major prior to law school really doesn't matter that much, it's more just your GPA, your school and your LSAT.

Networking is all clubs, businesses and organizations. Fraternities can be very important, especially since you'll quite frankly need to Americanize yourself if you want to ever win an election. Or learn Spanish, it also helps.

Some people have suggested USMC, I don't think that plunge would be the most beneficial, but doing reserves would definitely be a positive experience depending on your financial situation. It'll help you grow up fast to have boot camp, but won'the hinder your educational pursuits and is a huge plus on basically anything.

[Prince of Persia]

(01-16-2016 11:29 AM)Sonoma Wrote:  

Things to consider- you're probably conservative and you're Persian. They don'the exactly go together politically.

You'll honestly be better off trying local elections to get a feel for it, and I would do law. One thing to consider is the cost (I was a political science major who wanted to get my law degree after, but financially that wasn't happening)

You have a lot of years ahead of you before you have any sort of power at all, and being a lawyer is a desk job, just so you come to terms with that.

If you're looking for money and networking, I would major in business or Pols depending on your school, because your major prior to law school really doesn't matter that much, it's more just your GPA, your school and your LSAT.

Networking is all clubs, businesses and organizations. Fraternities can be very important, especially since you'll quite frankly need to Americanize yourself if you want to ever win an election. Or learn Spanish, it also helps.

Some people have suggested USMC, I don't think that plunge would be the most beneficial, but doing reserves would definitely be a positive experience depending on your financial situation. It'll help you grow up fast to have boot camp, but won'the hinder your educational pursuits and is a huge plus on basically anything.

Actually, the vast majority of Persians in the US are conservative. After the Shah fell, the Iranians who had ties to the Shah (my family included) fled the country with their $$$ as they were scared of persecution. There have been quite a few Persian-Americans who have worked on Capitol Hill during the Bush administrations, such as Hushang Ansary:

Quote:

Ansary is a devoted Republican, a former friend and business partner of Henry Kissinger, Alexander Haig, and James Baker, served on the National Finance Committee of the Bush-Cheney 2004 Presidential Campaign and is a trustee of the George W. Bush Presidential Library. In 2015, Hansary and his wife donated $2 million to a Super PAC supporting the presidential candidacy of Jeb Bush.

Also David Safavian, former Chief of Staff in the United States General Services Administration, and Faryar Shirzad, a major political insider and staff member on the National Security Council, deputy assistant and deputy national security advisory for International Economic Affairs, and was Bush's representative to the G-8 summit.

Sadly, no Persian-Americans have held elected office (yet) but I hate the Islamic regime more than anyone and would run my campaign on the platform of monetarily supporting the Iranians who want to oust the mullahs & establishing a close relationship with the family members of the Shah who live in the US. So, no cognitive dissonance there.

I've heard that law schools look down upon Business majors because they're too "pre-professional" and they don't lend to developing critical thinking skills...is that true?

I'm very much American-ized as it is, but yeah joining a fraternity will definitely help craft the all-American image that I want.

[JohnKreese]

I think the most important consideration that you have at this point is deciding which career that you would feel most comfortable working in/practicing assuming that a political career didn't work out for you. I'm not try to tell you that it isn't possible because I think that such careers are attainable to any person who genuinely puts in the work involved, but who knows; maybe you find that you hate the jockeying, hand-shaking, knocking on doors, etc. that you'd find yourself having to engage in.

My 3 cents:

I've read some of your posts talking about Greek Life before. You're obviously cognizant of its influence and importance. For anyone...ANYONE interested in a political career in the U.S., joining this kind of organization is a must. Start making the connections TODAY, reaching out to the leaders of the BEST fraternities at schools that you're interested in TODAY. Get invited to their Spring parties and recruitment events. These guys have the families and the pedigrees that you want to be associated with.

VVVV makes great points about the value of military experience. This value is not only directly limited to the "politicking" part of the process, but also with graduate school admissions. Ever since Iraq/Afghanistan, top MBA and Law programs have been foaming at the mouth for candidates with military background (look at the list of O-3s who have gone through the Harvard MBA program in the ~12 years). While such experience is obviously not necessary, the political opportunities that it will present (among the innumerable other benefits to yourself and to the country) will be great assets.

If you are so inclined, consider joint degree programs when you are exploring graduate programs. JD/MBA (~4-4.5 years), JD/MPA (~3.5-4 years), etc. will take a little longer, but overall time is shaved off of both programs and in the process you have graduate credentialing in two areas that are different enough to make distinct careers out of, but also areas that complement each other very well. There are a number of such joint programs, especially at the most esteemed institutions.

Again, just my 3 cents. Best of luck!

[Sonoma]

I was more referencing that conservative voters don't tend to vote for Iranians than Persians were not conservative.

I don'the know if a business major would be considered to be too pre-professional, but at the very least it puts you in a better position should you decide you don't want to become an attorney after doing 4 years of pre-law

Also, as a fraternity alum, I can't vouch for them enough. Also, try getting into school political positions when you get to college. Ours paid a sweet stipend and oversaw a 100m dollar budget, I regret deeply that I never ran

[CodyB]

Hi Prince of Persia,

Sounds like you have that hunger, brain and focus to get into politics, however take caution in what information you volunteer about yourself on this forum.

If one day you do become a political candidate, you will have opponents who will stop at no end to discredit you. It doesn't matter if they can actually prove it or not, because they leak it anonymously to media that sympathises with that politicians agenda. Unless there is a drastic change in the coming 20 years, you will not be looked on in a positive light if it is revealed or alleged that you posted on this forum. Amazing a resource as it is, it does not in anyway fit within the agenda of the current political sphere. You will always hold your beliefs close to your heart, but the public at large will not understand and the majority of the voting base will turn against you. Including all the faggot beta men who believe in feminism.

Right now you're a nobody. However you have divulged enough information to be uncovered quite easily, should you become a public figure. It's debateable about which profession is the best for becoming a politician etc. However one skill that is going to be necessary is covering your ass.

Good luck

[Habano]

There's a joke about politicians in law school.

Law students who make As become judges.

Law students who make Bs become regular lawyers.

And law students who make Cs become politicians.

But seriously, if politics is your passion, go pursue it. There are many politicians who have a graduate education, but it's certainly not a prerequisite.

If you haven't already, consider becoming an intern for someone in Congress or your state legislature. It's some of the best experience you can get under your belt as a college student. It will also give you a chance to see politicians in action and help them run their office, not to mention networking.