[Feldeinsamkeit]

Since taking up daygame in the UK over the past two weeks, one thing has become abundantly clear to me through my interactions with the opposite sex:

Women in the Anglosphere believe themselves to be nothing less than royalty when it comes to the sexual market place and expect to be courted with absolute reverance and deference by all of the beta chumps that deign to come into contact with their royal highnesses.

Many posters on this website have already mentioned the multiple toxic personality traits of UK women and those from other Anglosphere nations, so I won't revisit that topic here. But one question has been nagging away at me over the last few days:

What is source of this extreme arrogance of English-speaking women? And what is the connection with this phenomenon of the princess complex and the epic levels of thirst in the Anglosphere? Is the thirst the cause of women's conceited behaviour? Or is it, perhaps, actually the result of it?

[Travesty]

This thread is a waste come on now. They do it because they can. There are too many good looking guys, making good money, treating these girls like they are God's gift. You are in a market where your value is in the basement it is that simple. It's isn't magic it is raw numbers and laws working against you. You are in a cock paradise.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-17-2015 03:49 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

This thread is a waste come on now. They do it because they can. There are too many good looking guys, making good money, treating these girls like they are God's gift. You are in a market where your value is in the basement it is that simple.

It's not as simple as you make out, though. If it was simply a question of money and looks, then what about countries such as France and Germany, where guys there are also mostly decent-looking and well-heeled yet the women in those nations are nowhere near as insanely entitled as in the Anglosphere nations. And the guys there are, generally, nowhere near as needy and supplicating as in the US, UK, et.c. I should know, I lived in Germany for 10 years until returning to the UK in 2013 and the levels of thirst there were nowhere near as extreme as the UK, despite the fact that Germany's economy is significantly stronger.

[Travesty]

I have met my share of French and German chicks visiting the U.S. they still are no picnic in the totem pole of women. They are a few shades better. It is that simple.

There are less betas with more money and more attractive women so there is higher competition in those two countries although not vastly better than UK still a step better.

You put a bunch of blue pill betas with $ in a country it is like declaring war on your dick.

Russia... Colombia places like that there aren't as many betas, they don't have as much money, more guys resort to alcohol or crime and die young. English prevalence is lower so they don't imitate Western culture as easily.

More betas with more $ spells trouble.

This has been posted before here is the totem pole for femininity and joy to date:

Anglo Countries (USA UK Ireland Australia New Zealand Canada)
Western Europe / Northern Europe / India (weird blue pill culture)
Central Europe
Eastern Europe / Far East Asia
FSU / SEA / Latin America / Africa

As you see you are simply comparing the worst tier, to the second worst tier.

[redpillage]

(12-17-2015 03:54 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 03:49 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

This thread is a waste come on now. They do it because they can. There are too many good looking guys, making good money, treating these girls like they are God's gift. You are in a market where your value is in the basement it is that simple.

It's not as simple as you make out, though. If it was simply a question of money and looks, then what about countries such as France and Germany, where guys there are also mostly decent-looking and well-heeled yet the women in those nations are nowhere near as insanely entitled as in the Anglosphere nations. And the guys there are, generally, nowhere near as needy and supplicating as in the US, UK, et.c. I should know, I lived in Germany for 10 years until returning to the UK in 2013 and the levels of thirst there were nowhere near as extreme as the UK, despite the fact that Germany's economy is significantly stronger.

Having spent a significant part of my life in Germany I can attest to that. Getting your dick wet really wasn't very difficult - especially 20 years ago. When I moved to the U.S. I immediately realized the stark differences between women there and back in Germany. The very first girl I tried to hook up with told me straight to the face that she was attracted but that she didn't want to date me as I was a broke immigrant with empty pockets. No girl in Germany had every cared about that shit, on the contrary, many times they actually helped me out when I was in trouble. Took me a few years to figure out the game in the U.S. and what I learned in the process was a rude awakening. Which fortunately kept me from ever marrying an American women or getting anyone pregnant.

[eradicator]

To tack onto that, it just means you have to work that much harder to stand out, be good at something, improve yourself to the point where you are more attractive to women.

If you are starting to spit some game at a girl and are turned off by her attitude, better to move on to a girl who is potentially more receptive than get into an argument with her, that can through off your frame for the rest of the day.

[Travesty]

(12-17-2015 04:06 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

When I moved to the U.S. I immediately realized the stark differences between women there and back in Germany. The very first girl I tried to hook up with told me straight to the face that she was attracted but that she didn't want to date me as I was a broke immigrant with empty pockets. No girl in Germany had every cared about that shit, on the contrary, many times they actually helped me out when I was in trouble.

Exactly. More betas with $ in the U.S. that act thirsty and less attractive women around. You had little value to an American woman. No big surprise.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-17-2015 04:09 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

To tack onto that, it just means you have to work that much harder to stand out, be good at something, improve yourself to the point where you are more attractive to women.

If you are starting to spit some game at a girl and are turned off by her attitude, better to move on to a girl who is potentially more receptive than get into an argument with her, that can through off your frame for the rest of the day.

Wouldn't argue with that advice. The problem I've been encountering is that the odds of finding a non-fat, pleasant and single woman of fertile age are vanishingly small where I am based. Hell, even the women you wouldn't want to bang are more oftne than not always taken when you approach, such is the level of thirst here.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-17-2015 04:11 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:06 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

When I moved to the U.S. I immediately realized the stark differences between women there and back in Germany. The very first girl I tried to hook up with told me straight to the face that she was attracted but that she didn't want to date me as I was a broke immigrant with empty pockets. No girl in Germany had every cared about that shit, on the contrary, many times they actually helped me out when I was in trouble.

Exactly. More betas with $ in the U.S. that act thirsty and less attractive women around. You had little value to an American woman. No big surprise.

But there are, if anything due to the more intact middle class in Germany, even more betas with money in Germany and so that cannot supply the whole explanation, hence my original question.

[Travesty]

(12-17-2015 04:13 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Wouldn't argue with that advice. The problem I've been encountering is that the odds of finding a non-fat, pleasant and single woman of fertile age are vanishingly small where I am based. Hell, even the women you wouldn't want to bang are more oftne than not always taken when you approach, such is the level of thirst here.

Move to Iraq like did. Problem solved. Girls are clamoring for a man.

(12-17-2015 04:15 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

But there are, if anything due to the more intact middle class in Germany, even more betas with money in Germany and so that cannot supply the whole explanation, hence my original question.

You seriously can't put two and two together that the equation is:

Betas with $ + Lack of Attractive Women = Thirst

Germany may have a middle class that is richer per captia, I am damn sure that the proximity to Poland, Czech Republic, FSU etc... and just being Germany you have more attractive women per captia. Just ask Sourcecode.

That and as beta as German men may be, I promise you American or UK male thirst is worse because of obesity epidemic, huge flux of male immigrants, poor female attitudes because of those prior facts and so on.

Hence German thirst is less than UK thirst.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-17-2015 04:15 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Move to Iraq like did. Problem solved. Girls are clamoring for a man.

Why Iraq, though? Because of the economic situation there? I've been toying with the idea of moving to central Europe (Czech Republic/Slovakia, maybe even Austria) for a long time now but decided recently to make an all-out push with daygame in Middlesbrough and make my final decision on that basis. In other words, I still want to pull out all the stops before finally accepting that the UK is a busted flush as far as women are concerned.

[UroboricForms]

I place the blame squarely on social media and smartphones more than anything else, even the male thirst, which no doubt ties in as a byproduct.

Granted, these technologies are merely functioning to amplify an innate tendency in the modern Western female to be a narcissistic, stuck up attention whore (whether justified or not, though even being "hot" isn't an excuse in my eyes, it merely makes it "understandable"), but the amplification is so intense as so be almost beyond belief. I've seen too many posts on here from older guys about how the game has changed over the past few decades, and seen how things have changed during my time, to be convinced of anything else. As someone who, by virtue of my age, only "woke up" after the smartphone explosion, myself and those like me have arrived as we approach the peak levels of this situation. I have vague memories of it not always being like that, when I was in school and college. I have never owned a smartphone, or a tablet, and I stopped voluntarily watching current TV a couple of years ago for the most part.

The way women have attached themselves to these destructive technologies and platforms, you'd think they were created just for them.

[Travesty]

^ That is like saying guns kill people.

Social media and smart phones wouldn't be bad if there weren't any thirsty simps.

If girls couldn't possible get more than 60 Facebook friends because no guy would friend them, and 20 Instagram followers because only a girl's family would bother following them and so on.

That shit doesn't make girls bitches. Thirsty guys are the entire problem.

We have guys in the Anglo countries with enough $ and no game they pay girls to humiliate them.

[redpillage]

(12-17-2015 04:09 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

To tack onto that, it just means you have to work that much harder to stand out, be good at something, improve yourself to the point where you are more attractive to women.

If you are starting to spit some game at a girl and are turned off by her attitude, better to move on to a girl who is potentially more receptive than get into an argument with her, that can through off your frame for the rest of the day.

No it doesn't - I can promise you that. Although I am a strong purporter of self improvement it should only be done for the purpose of developing yourself. When it comes to attracting women I have over the years witnessed a veritable arms race among men and an inverse one among women. The quality of men has increased - guys are in better shape - they work harder - they spend more money to make themselves look good and to impress girls. Meanwhile women have become frumpier, uglier, fatter, and more bitchy whilst expecting to be treated like royalty. Do you recognize a trend here?

Self improvement is great and it should be the core mission of any self respecting man. However that does not give us license to neglect controlling/correcting social dynamics and to reign in feminism run amok. That really is the core issue - white men have dropped the ball on that and now are forced to accept the ire consequences. Every single company ridiculing men in commercials or embracing feminist ideology should be boycotted. Social pressure on women need to re-established and that can only be done by re-educating and enlightening as many men as possible. Of course we all know this cannot be done in a democratic or peaceful manner - it will take a huge crisis or a full fledged global war to reset some of the insanity. I'm certainly not wishing for such a scenario but I do recognize the fact that martial conflict encourages and rewards courage and masculinity.

Only when men are allowed to be men again will things balance out in our favor. Right now men are forced to exist in a highly misandric society - things are so far out of whack in our culture that the word 'misandric' is being underlined as being non-existent in Google's auto-correct - and yes, I spelt it right.

   

I found this highly interesting. Note that the mention of misandry falls strongly during economic crisis and/or war. It's not clear whether or not the recent drop is due to less misandry perceived or if the concept has become unmentionable. You know - like naming your son Adolf after 1945.

   

Of course the siren calls about misogyny are on a constant growth curve - its height seems to have been touched during the economic peak around 2000. Coincidence? I think not.

[RatInTheWoods]

I think that in a country where the government takes the cash of men and gives it to women in conjunction with the male sex drive will lower man-value.

In countries where resources are not automatically stripped from men and handed to women, they tend to have to make an effort for it, and man-value goes up.

Imagine a nation that had laws that all women had to give men sex each week for no effort, but didn't tax men? Who's value would be sky high, and whos would be low?

[262]

I'm on board with the "who cares why" train.

You'll learn soon enough that Western women aren't worth the effort, compared to their foreign counterparts.

You'll have put in so much effort that you won't care why they aren't worth it.

But you're not there yet.

[Neo]

It's still possible to get laid consistently, it just takes more effort on all fronts. Whether that effort is worth it is up to you.

A good experiment is to use Tinder and spoof your location. Try different places, and you'll see how different it is. Unfortunately, the only option is expatriation at this point.

Women's attitudes aren't changing any time soon, and the thirst is reaching insane proportions.

[R_Niko]

(12-17-2015 03:45 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

What is source of this extreme arrogance of English-speaking women? And what is the connection with this phenomenon of the princess complex and the epic levels of thirst in the Anglosphere?

Mm the influence of an actual monarchy perhaps?

[ErrolFlynnInspired]

(12-17-2015 03:45 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

But one question has been nagging away at me over the last few days:

What is source of this extreme arrogance of English-speaking women?

Men allowing it. You don't let a five-year-old child do whatever they want. The same principle applies to women. Take away the consequences of a woman's actions (social exclusion due to slutty behaviour, no-questions-asked financial support from the Government when she's had six children to six different fathers etc) and she will have carte blanche to be as much of a cunt as she desires. Technology and the rise of the smartphone has sped up the decline.

[BossOfBosses]

I might add if blogs like Heartiste are any indication, there might be a connection between the "scarcity" of hot girls and the prevalence of "racial" mate guarding in anglo countries.

There was no such thing as "lynch" mobs or the kkk in brazil for example, a country with a huge black population. But get caught "whistling" at a white woman in the US in the pre-civil rights era and your dead. I find that interesting.

[serpico]

I was out here in Spain at a cafe yesterday, two english girls, 6s, 7s tops sat on adjacent table. Listening to their sneering bullshit (they were both puffing themselves up about guys flirting with them in Spain, 'put your tongue back in haha'.) was like nails down a chalkboard. Was a tangible nasty vibe to the conversation. Genuinely was unpleasant hearing them validating each other by shitting all over some guy who had checked them out on the Metro, and sneering about guys in the street. The undertone was so fucking sneery.

Why is this so prevalent in English culture - I guess the root of it is sexual repression / fear. Same reason so many Anglos have to get obliterated on alcohol before making an approach or pulling. What these girls displayed was the same attitudes as Puritans (who would have called sexual desire 'devils work', 'unclean', 'lustful' and so on), just with an updated vocabulary. They framed sexual impulsiveness as shameful, or tacky and denigrated anyone displaying it. If the culture were healthier around sex (as generally it is pretty much all over Europe), some random flirting with them wouldn't be much of an issue, even if it was a bit leery in one instance.

IMHO societies don't really change much over generations, and historical cliches are often far more resonant than most people give credit for. The Assyrians way back in 700bc were renowned for terrorising the people unfortunate enough to be in their sphere of influence, with beheadings, torture, crucifixion, genocide, both cultural and literal. If you look at a map of ancient Assyria it is pretty much bang on ISIS. Same shit 2300 years later.

There's a story of the medieval royal festival in Europe, in which all the Royal Courts were invited for jousting, feasting and meetings way back. The writers of the time noted the French court ate the best food, the Italians wore the finest clothing, and the English drunk the most alcohol, and that even their women would be drunk. Basically tide goes in, tide goes out, cultures don't much change.

We can talk about why this is, but ultimately, and on a cultural level it comes down to this:

[General Stalin]

(12-17-2015 03:45 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

What is source of this extreme arrogance of English-speaking women? And what is the connection with this phenomenon of the princess complex and the epic levels of thirst in the Anglosphere? Is the thirst the cause of women's conceited behaviour? Or is it, perhaps, actually the result of it?

To answer OP plainly: the progressive culture of the Western world is the source.

The far left-leaning socio-political climate that these parts of the world perpetuate has gradually bred a new culture over the past 70 years or so where social norms have changed drastically.

Women don't look to men for financial support, or to build a family. Women are raised to pursue their own careers, be totally financially and professionally independent, have a fun and adventurous life, and put off having a family for as long as possible/indefinitely. Because of this, men's role in a woman's life is unclear and basically entertainment. Men are more of an option/accessory to the life of the modern woman in the West.

This is the perfect storm. Because of this, they have much higher standards and are less eager to please men. In turn, men are more desperate as it is more difficult to garner favor from women. This desperation equates to women receiving more attention and praise from confused and thirsty men, and women become more jaded and more entitled. The cycle goes on and on and now we have this environment that we live in.

[rudebwoy]

(12-20-2015 06:24 AM)serpico Wrote:  

IMHO societies don't really change much over generations, and historical cliches are often far more resonant than most people give credit for. The Assyrians way back in 700bc were renowned for terrorising the people unfortunate enough to be in their sphere of influence, with beheadings, torture, crucifixion, genocide, both cultural and literal. If you look at a map of ancient Assyria it is pretty much bang on ISIS. Same shit 2300 years later.

I disagree with this statement.
If I told you Toronto was pussy paradise 20 years ago, you would fall off your chair with laughter.
If you travel, you will see how Western influence is spreading to the developing countries very quickly.
Prague in 2005 is a lot different than Prague in 2015.
Stockholm in 2007 is a lot different than 2014.

[blacknwhitespade]

(12-21-2015 12:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 03:45 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

What is source of this extreme arrogance of English-speaking women? And what is the connection with this phenomenon of the princess complex and the epic levels of thirst in the Anglosphere? Is the thirst the cause of women's conceited behaviour? Or is it, perhaps, actually the result of it?

To answer OP plainly: the progressive culture of the Western world is the source.

The far left-leaning socio-political climate that these parts of the world perpetuate has gradually bred a new culture over the past 70 years or so where social norms have changed drastically.

Women don't look to men for financial support, or to build a family. Women are raised to pursue their own careers, be totally financially and professionally independent, have a fun and adventurous life, and put off having a family for as long as possible/indefinitely. Because of this, men's role in a woman's life is unclear and basically entertainment. Men are more of an option/accessory to the life of the modern woman in the West.

This is the perfect storm. Because of this, they have much higher standards and are less eager to please men. In turn, men are more desperate as it is more difficult to garner favor from women. This desperation equates to women receiving more attention and praise from confused and thirsty men, and women become more jaded and more entitled. The cycle goes on and on and now we have this environment that we live in.

This is why some people summarize hardcore Game as simply "bitch management" skills.

[serpico]

(12-21-2015 12:26 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 06:24 AM)serpico Wrote:  

IMHO societies don't really change much over generations, and historical cliches are often far more resonant than most people give credit for. The Assyrians way back in 700bc were renowned for terrorising the people unfortunate enough to be in their sphere of influence, with beheadings, torture, crucifixion, genocide, both cultural and literal. If you look at a map of ancient Assyria it is pretty much bang on ISIS. Same shit 2300 years later.

I disagree with this statement.
If I told you Toronto was pussy paradise 20 years ago, you would fall off your chair with laughter.
If you travel, you will see how Western influence is spreading to the developing countries very quickly.
Prague in 2005 is a lot different than Prague in 2015.
Stockholm in 2007 is a lot different than 2014.

You are right, and I probably should have been clearer, in that i meant not so much societies don't change much, but the 'base nature' of the people. Czech and other formerly Communist areas have very pronounced cross-generational difference. The millenials now know nothing of Communism, even those born in the late 70s early 80s would barely remember it, and even then it was not remotely as authoritarian as it had been in previous decades. The differences your average Prague millenial experiences in every day life to that of their grandparents are like night and day. So yes, political change breeds social change.

However, the 'base nature' or general characteristic of the people often holds true. To generalise, the Czechs are reserved, aloof, progressive and passive as a people. The Poles are more gregarious, nationalistic and pugnacious. The two peoples are quite dramatically different, for neighbours of similar genetic stock. Tweaks to society and the economy does little to really alter this, in my view at least