[Cobra]

(12-10-2015 09:35 PM)civpro Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 08:47 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 09:20 AM)civpro Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 08:03 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

I've mentioned this to you before. You need to work on your inner game.

Do I know you?

Of course you do. I take it you're an Indian man and you believe race is a huge handicap for you. I don't want to turn this into a race thread at all. However, when I know that's the source of your negativity, and most of your posts reflect it, it affects other guys, especially minorities on the forum. Those guys are in need of better guidance. For you specifically, it's not a matter of working out, dressing better or making more money if you think every white girl already hates you in the first place management . These girls are giving you IOIs every day. Their biases hold them back. It's up to you to approach them with confidence. You have to work harder than other guys they like; but you think it's impossible rather than harder. That can only be mitigated and eventually fixed from believing in yourself and developing yourself. Fuck that race noise in your head.

Civpro, you are always very negative when it comes to inner game. The reason you know me is we have had this debate before at thread-42049...pid871802.

Since then I have called this out on other threads as well. the issue is that you take this negativity and bring it to threads like this little IOI thread.

I think you can do better but you seem to hate your race and when someone says you shouldn't, you start hating on them too. Therapy is actually a good solution to this. I'm not fucking with you. Even I have tried it and it has been very positive.

If you can't fix this, maybe the forum is not a place for you because your negativity has spread all the way through to a thread about IOIs.

Ummmm...... I have no clue where you're coming from or why you have such a huge hard on for me. That you view my comment in this thread as 'negativity' and are so concerned as to have to repeat that word four whole times in a lengthy post purporting to psychoanalyze a stranger on the internet shows that you're really just talking to yourself and working out your own gnawing doubts and issues relating to the game. Good luck with that.

Reason I'm paying attention to you is due to the pattern you created as a race troll. I also think you give a bad rep to the other Indian men on the forum. When you get called out, you go right back under the bridge lurking for a while.

However, this time it did not take you long:
thread-52285...pid1170045

[robreke]

Assuming you're not some kind of troll, to the whole point of waiting around for eye contact:

Girls walk around in their own hazes these days. Especially during the day. They're day dreaming about shoes, grabbing a quick lunch to go, getting back to work, or what's going on their next instagram posts, etc.

Getting inviting eye contact is great and you should always take advantage of those opportunities when they come from a honey, because, more often than not, unless you look like a model, attractive women won't give you these cues.

So, for all the other women you find attractive on a daily basis and who are in an approachable scenario, you have to create eye contact. Create visual penetration. Along with that, there are a number of other 'penetrations' that must occur to have ultimate success:

You have to penetrate their reality.

Penetrate her daily routine ( approach)

Penetrate her field of vision ( eye contact before or during the approach )

Penetrate her phone list ( get her number and text her yours)

Penetrate her schedule ( make a date then and there or, hopefully later when you text her)

And of course, the ultimate penetration.

Assuming it's a random girl you'll never see again and not someone who's part of your social circle, it's better to get rejected, be walked away from or even thought of as a creep, than being invisible.

[Mr Finish]

I get a lot of ioi's when I'm on point.

I dress in a way that makes me stand out; in a town full of "frat boys" I'll have a waistcoat, slim AG jeans, polished oxfords, an ironed button down with a slim fitting v neck sweater over it and well combed hair.

I have a friend much shorter and less attractive than me that dresses the same way. He gets ioi's all day. Standing out is half the battle.

An ioi is great, but you still have to act on it.

[civpro]

(12-14-2015 08:16 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 09:35 PM)civpro Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 08:47 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 09:20 AM)civpro Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 08:03 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

I've mentioned this to you before. You need to work on your inner game.

Do I know you?

Of course you do. I take it you're an Indian man and you believe race is a huge handicap for you. I don't want to turn this into a race thread at all. However, when I know that's the source of your negativity, and most of your posts reflect it, it affects other guys, especially minorities on the forum. Those guys are in need of better guidance. For you specifically, it's not a matter of working out, dressing better or making more money if you think every white girl already hates you in the first place management . These girls are giving you IOIs every day. Their biases hold them back. It's up to you to approach them with confidence. You have to work harder than other guys they like; but you think it's impossible rather than harder. That can only be mitigated and eventually fixed from believing in yourself and developing yourself. Fuck that race noise in your head.

Civpro, you are always very negative when it comes to inner game. The reason you know me is we have had this debate before at thread-42049...pid871802.

Since then I have called this out on other threads as well. the issue is that you take this negativity and bring it to threads like this little IOI thread.

I think you can do better but you seem to hate your race and when someone says you shouldn't, you start hating on them too. Therapy is actually a good solution to this. I'm not fucking with you. Even I have tried it and it has been very positive.

If you can't fix this, maybe the forum is not a place for you because your negativity has spread all the way through to a thread about IOIs.

Ummmm...... I have no clue where you're coming from or why you have such a huge hard on for me. That you view my comment in this thread as 'negativity' and are so concerned as to have to repeat that word four whole times in a lengthy post purporting to psychoanalyze a stranger on the internet shows that you're really just talking to yourself and working out your own gnawing doubts and issues relating to the game. Good luck with that.

Reason I'm paying attention to you is due to the pattern you created as a race troll. I also think you give a bad rep to the other Indian men on the forum. When you get called out, you go right back under the bridge lurking for a while.

However, this time it did not take you long:
thread-52285...pid1170045

The reason for that post was the following. I recalled CMQ's Big Reveal Thread from my regular browsing of the forum's archives - I believe it all happened before my registration - and that within it he claimed he was some form of Scottish/German/WASP/Mainline White-American. I thought facial features-wise he certainly didn't look it at all. I also noted that his podcast partner was a Jewish guy (Dagonet), and that he had once made a thread praising some obscure Israeli businessman/playboy. This formed the basis of my hunch that he had lied about his background for broader appeal, or whatever. Either way, it was wrong of me to make the post the way I did. I should have added this context, or should not have made the post altogether.

As for the Indian issue, I stand by everything I've said. You have not said anything other than an emotive appeal of "Ah, Stop Being Negative!". If I somehow make you unendingly uncomfortable, yet you cannot draw up any substantive argument to engage me with, then it's perhaps best for you to put me on your Ignore list.

[Dirty Professor]

(12-09-2015 05:44 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

If you're 6 foot and muscular I doubt you're a 4 man, obviously I haven't seen you, but I think you may be a little harsh on yourself.

Yeah, I was gonna say a good body goes a long way for both men and women. If your face brings you down that much they might be giving you stares for the wrong reason.

[davi]

> Build: Muscular
> Looks: 4/10

pick one.


> Height: 6'0
> Ethnicity: east asian

pick one.

[Mercenary]

Eye contact from women can vary from the country you are in.

I travel quite a lot and can confirm that in some countries eye contact from girls is easy, whereas in others it is extremely difficult.
As an example - China and South Korea are 2 countries very close to eachother, but I had very different experiences in each one.

In China I got long eye contact from many girls multiple times a day. More than I ever do back home.
But in South Korea girls seemed to go out of their way never ever to lock eyes with me even for a second.

I wasn't that surprised having read this ROK article on South Korean women beforehand, but it was still interesting to expierence first hand how women from 2 countries so close to eachother can act so different.

So even if your looks, style and game are top notch sometimes it’s just a cultural thing.

[The Man w/ the Golden Gun]

What I notice is that I get the most IOI's from chinese girls. I'm Chinese myself, sometimes mistaken for Korean. Chinese girls I haven't even met before get into a convo with me and ask if they've met me before and do all the giggly and silly smiley stuff. Then I forget that I can and should run game and get their numbers.

South Koreans at my school are a different story, and I can attest to Mercenary's commentary (they come to my school as internationals). They tend to stick to their South Korean ingroup.

On the other cultural hand, most girls from the top-tier sororities give me the "glance and look to the side." These are the girls I want to get with, but opportunities perhaps have been passed up with girls of my own race...

[Feldeinsamkeit]

In the UK, I used to get no eye-contact whatsoever from women when out and about on the street, although since working on my "inner game" issues and digesting a sack of red pills I've started to notice more women checking me out. However, I only tend to get sustained, non-aversive eye-contact from women on those days when I'm feeling particularly "in the zone" and quite cocky, otherwise it's a case of swimming in a sea of female indifference. Another thing I've observed is how the vast majority British women are loathe to let you see that they're interested. If they do look, they will do so when they think you're not actually able to observe them, in order not to give you the satisfaction of knowing they're checking you out.

Contrast this with foreign women, where I've lost track of the number of times that I've seen foreign women checking me out, even when my gait and overall vibe haven't been 100% on point. In fact, if a woman doesn't avert eye contact and doesn't look like a conceited, stuck-up twat as soon as she enters my field of vision, this is usually a sure sign that she's not British.

But the most important take-away of all this for me is this: Our princesses in the UK have a very high interest threshold which has to be jumped by any guy if he is to be deemed worthy of even a passing glance of one of our royal highnesses. It is a sign of how low the sexual market value of men has become here (in comparison to other, more balanced dating markets, such as South American) and ranks alongside other indicators such as the incidence of mismatched couples where the guy is in good shape physically, well-dressed, et.c. while lugging around a landwhale. When women refrain from giving all but the most tingles-arousing men any form of acknowledgement whatsoever, it's a sign of hypergamy run riot in my book. So if you go to a country where you get a lot more eye-contact from women on the street, you can be sure that it's going to be a place where it's easier to get laid.

[OregonToSoCal]

As much as I logically believe what the senior guys on here say, that IOIs mean nothing and we should approach anyway, I still long for being able to go about my daily life, see an attractive woman glance or smile at me and I approach from there.

However I know from past experience that that situation just doesn't happen to me, for whatever reason. Still, an interesting thought came to me yesterday as to why I seem to do pretty good with online dating, I'm well received in my dates and the times that I have approached women it's always gone well for the most part (no hideous blowouts, disgusted faces etc.). And that suspicion is this...in spite of the great strides I've made, thanks in large part to this forum, I'm still very much in my head, slightly tense and anything but loose and friendly when I'm out by myself. Contrast that to when I'm meeting up with a woman who I've been talking to, I'm very outgoing, easy to smile and playful. It doesn't take a huge leap to suspect that I'm putting out two entirely different sets of energy and vibe based on the situation.

Even though I agree IOI's are useless, I realize that I need to make my general demeanor the same while I'm out buying toilet paper at Target as when I'm meeting that sexy woman from Tinder.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(01-08-2016 04:56 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

As much as I logically believe what the senior guys on here say, that IOIs mean nothing and we should approach anyway, I still long for being able to go about my daily life, see an attractive woman glance or smile at me and I approach from there.

However I know from past experience that that situation just doesn't happen to me, for whatever reason. Still, an interesting thought came to me yesterday as to why I seem to do pretty good with online dating, I'm well received in my dates and the times that I have approached women it's always gone well for the most part (no hideous blowouts, disgusted faces etc.). And that suspicion is this...in spite of the great strides I've made, thanks in large part to this forum, I'm still very much in my head, slightly tense and anything but loose and friendly when I'm out by myself. Contrast that to when I'm meeting up with a woman who I've been talking to, I'm very outgoing, easy to smile and playful. It doesn't take a huge leap to suspect that I'm putting out two entirely different sets of energy and vibe based on the situation.

Even though I agree IOI's are useless, I realize that I need to make my general demeanor the same while I'm out buying toilet paper at Target as when I'm meeting that sexy woman from Tinder.

I used to think the same, until it struck me how women in the Anglosphere, e.g. in the UK, seem to occupy a default state of misandric contempt for the overwhelming majority of men, such that "the bar" or threshold to a commanding a woman's interest, is that much higher than would be the case in dating markets where men are not regarded as affable buffoons at best and with utter disdain at worst.

In other words, I don't think the problem is with you, but rather with the unapproachable and standoffish nature of the women themselves. For example, when I run daygame, I have a 50% conversion ratio of approach to date with non-Anglo women. My conversion rate after nearly 60 approaches over the past month with English women is currently running at 0%. Go figure.

[OregonToSoCal]

(01-08-2016 05:04 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 04:56 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

As much as I logically believe what the senior guys on here say, that IOIs mean nothing and we should approach anyway, I still long for being able to go about my daily life, see an attractive woman glance or smile at me and I approach from there.

However I know from past experience that that situation just doesn't happen to me, for whatever reason. Still, an interesting thought came to me yesterday as to why I seem to do pretty good with online dating, I'm well received in my dates and the times that I have approached women it's always gone well for the most part (no hideous blowouts, disgusted faces etc.). And that suspicion is this...in spite of the great strides I've made, thanks in large part to this forum, I'm still very much in my head, slightly tense and anything but loose and friendly when I'm out by myself. Contrast that to when I'm meeting up with a woman who I've been talking to, I'm very outgoing, easy to smile and playful. It doesn't take a huge leap to suspect that I'm putting out two entirely different sets of energy and vibe based on the situation.

Even though I agree IOI's are useless, I realize that I need to make my general demeanor the same while I'm out buying toilet paper at Target as when I'm meeting that sexy woman from Tinder.

I used to think the same, until it struck me how women in the Anglosphere, e.g. in the UK, seem to occupy a default state of misandric contempt for the overwhelming majority of men, such that "the bar" or threshold to a commanding a woman's interest, is that much higher than would be the case in dating markets where men are not regarded as affable buffoons at best and with utter disdain at worst.

In other words, I don't think the problem is with you, but rather with the unapproachable and standoffish nature of the women themselves. For example, when I run daygame, I have a 50% conversion ratio of approach to date with non-Anglo women. My conversion rate after nearly 60 approaches over the past month with English women is currently running at 0%. Go figure.

While I think you're right I hate to blame any perceived lack of success on my part on something external to me, no matter how flawed that line of thinking may be.

I'll be candid and admit this without any reservations, my single biggest game fear is approaching a woman who I perceive as out of my league (8 and up) while she's engrossed in her daily activity oblivious to me or has on her resting bitch face.

Contrast that with the countless dates from online that I have been on where my kiss attempts were met with a turned head, women acting bored and frustrated with me, women disappearing mid date, women flat out telling me they weren't attracted to me and I more/less handle those rejections in stride and take a "whatever, it's your loss" attitude. No big deal, on to the next.

But for some reason I still have not been able to overcome that pit in my stomach feeling of approaching a woman with no IOI. I have the irrational belief that they will think of me the same way I think of a homeless person begging me for money or how I think of one of those survey/petition gathering people who approach me while leaving a store. "No, I don't want what you're selling me, leave me the hell alone"