[luke]

Guys, this is my first thread here.

I would like to hear your honest opinion and maybe some advice regarding my current situation.

Short intro:
25yo beginner/intermediate player
Born and raised in EE (CZ), spent my late teenage years in LA where I learnt some basics of game (by accident) when dating latinas and failing at it. Back to EE at 18, I started to study some PUA stuff. Mainly because I broke up with my CZ LTR of 1 year.But also because I was going for Erasmus (the euro "study" exchange program) to Austria and planned to enjoy it. There I went gaming hard, 4-5 nights a week, 70 % night game 30 % daygame. For the time invested the results were not great at all, but I have developed from a super shy idiot into a confident man.
After moving back to CZ I very quickly found a great girl (russian). Fast forward 3 years. I decided to break up with her; since her attitude got super bitchy.
Now I realize that I might have been caused my lack of game knowledge and by not using the game enough on my LTR. Before that I only thought that game was meant to get hookups or for early stage of LTR - big mistake here.

Current situation:
Right now I live and work in PL for over a year, travelling a lot, working on myself and having a good time. For the young players interested to get easy office job with enough money to drinkdate, backpack and spend some time in the Roosh's favorite country, I could prepare a mini datasheet if interested.

But back to the subject of this thread. Most of my dates/bangs/plates come from a combination of nightgame/bargame and social circle or events game. I found out that it is very easy to meet girls (both local and foreign) in those type of events, like these international language meetings/groups, events with international food, salsa classes, language classes etc. These girls are usually single and willing to meet someone.

My typical plot is to have a brief, 15-30 minutes convo, where I play some of my cards showing my SMV. I usually let her guess everything (my home country, what do I do, age if she asks etc) which makes the atmosphere more playful and I like to think that it also screens out the bitches and not interesting types. If she does not want to guess, she will probably flake on me, right?
I often talk about my recent trips abroad, the languages I speak (when talking to PL girl I am using polish; with an occasional English word - works great for me) and generally having a good time. They can never guess where I come from, because I look slightly more hispanic/turkish/georgian and my accent being not common. Sometimes when the event is slowly ending I do the venue change and bail with the girl - continuing game by the famous Tuthmosis recipe. Now there I either get the bang (lets say 10 % chance) or a number with a promising future (80 %?). The girls usually seem to be genuinely interested in me. And the chase continues.

Recently however the number of flakes has risen for me. And I am wondering what am I doing wrong. If it is just a coincidence? Or a trend. Maybe I am too stressed from working too much recently and they can sense the inconsistency in my game? Or maybe my game has changed/evolved? I have realized that recently my tolerance for bad behavior has lowered quite a lot. For example a year ago I would not have even thought about standing up and leaving from the date. When girl is late, she always gets a lecture. When she smokes, when her nails are not perfect, when is she not wearing girly shoes (most of them came to an event and eventually ended up on a mini date with me) and so on.
I am also doing a lot more shit tests and situational negs. Instead just being cool and keeping the playful wibe. Sometimes I end the date with a brief makeout (in case of no bang) sometimes I simply tell them that they forget to give me their number when saying goodbye.

Then I call or text them, usually after a couple of days. And suddenly they are dead cold on the phone, not willing to meet me, not rescheduling, answering texts like a dude etc. That makes me lose my interest and to go back to my plates or to try to pick up a new prospect.

My game seems to work much better on the western girls here rather than the local ones.

It seems that I am failing to realise something here and to take action. Or the problem is somewhere else?

I do not know and that is why I decided to share my story with you guys. If I missed some important piece in my story, let me know. Looking forward to the comments.

[godzilla]

I have limited experience with EE girls. From my experience, they generally don't understand cocky western game. If your using the same game that you do with American girls, you might be turning them off a bit.

[XXL]

Why do you shittest and neg girls? I'm not saying it's wrong just want to know what's your reason or purpose for it

[Tex]

(12-05-2015 04:59 PM)luke Wrote:  

Right now I live and work in PL for over a year, travelling a lot, working on myself and having a good time. For the young players interested to get easy office job with enough money to drinkdate, backpack and spend some time in the Roosh's favorite country, I could prepare a mini datasheet if interested.

First off, that is a very interesting topic that will get you a lot of attention on here. Personally, I'm planning on spending some time in Eastern Europe and this interests me greatly.

And I'd like to know as XXL does why you shit test girls.

Overall, the tone of your post and the specifics you give show at least to me that you've got the right attitude. I think you need to take your head out of the game aspect for a second and look around, and realign yourself with your setting. A lot of more hardcore game angles are built around dealing with stone cold girls who like to toy with guys, and girls who are easy to fuck generally but not necessarily specifically (by that I mean girls who are going out to get fucked by someone, but that doesn't mean it'll be easy for you to be that guy without game).

These kinds of things are completely out of place in Eastern Europe. Keep your slut awareness sharp, because it sounds like Poland will soon become a place for hard game approaches, but as of now it just seems like you might be coming off too strong for these girls.

You sound like you're looking to run and gun and slam these conservative girls, who might have a good time with you the night they meet you, but later characterize you as a guy who just wants to fuck. That good time can work against you in such cases as they rationalize why they'd want to continue seeing you—if they feel like you can quickly fuck them, it might scare them away when that isn't what they want you to do.

I would suggest opening the same ways, and developing the conversation on a more personal level and not being too sexual. Assume you aren't dealing with sluts, or girls who are even thinking about quick sex. Assume quick sex scares them. This goes back to old Day Game advice—treat them like cats, easing into the sexual talk and building comfort gradually so as not to scare the cat away.

Bring up your travels like you do, and go into detail with stories. In short, treat your night game in your EE spots like day game in more Western spots, and stop trying to get ONS unless you feel like you've got an easy girl. There are easy girls everywhere and part of game is finding these girls when you want something quick, so if that's what you're looking for, it's just a matter of vetting out these girls, picking up on the signs and searching harder for them, because there's fewer of girls like that advertising their sluttiness in the EE than LA or Vienna.

If you want the all-around quality, you'll have to quit chasing after the kinds of ONS you'd find in Austria and so on, because it's just not as realistic. At least, that's what I've gathered from my experiences in Poland and with Slovenian and Czech girls. Once you get the comfort you need with these EE girls, they spread their legs like any other, as you know. But there's a lot more build up that's necessary for them than say some Scottish skags or other Westerners.

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I have realized that recently my tolerance for bad behavior has lowered quite a lot. For example a year ago I would not have even thought about standing up and leaving from the date. When girl is late, she always gets a lecture. When she smokes, when her nails are not perfect, when is she not wearing girly shoes (most of them came to an event and eventually ended up on a mini date with me) and so on.
I am also doing a lot more shit tests and situational negs. Instead just being cool and keeping the playful wibe. Sometimes I end the date with a brief makeout (in case of no bang) sometimes I simply tell them that they forget to give me their number when saying goodbye.

Then I call or text them, usually after a couple of days. And suddenly they are dead cold on the phone, not willing to meet me, not rescheduling, answering texts like a dude etc. That makes me lose my interest and to go back to my plates or to try to pick up a new prospect.

This is one good example of what I mean. Lecturing a girl like this is a highly defensive kind of game in my eyes and only works to fuck up your blood pressure. Learn to let these things slide, because often these girls, especially if they're from smaller villages, are just like this and can't help it. Maybe they don't own the best high heels, maybe they painted their nails a few days before and didn't have time to redo them for the date. Maybe she really doesn't give a shit how she looks. If she's still worth the bang, who cares? If you care, then don't lecture her, just up and leave. You don't owe her an explanation.

I feel that taking an offensive or lecturing tone with a girl in Eastern Europe is taken a lot more heavily than in the US where you need an abrasive attitude to even hold a conversation half the time. That might be the number one thing that's pushing girls away. Just let things slide a little more and treat them warmly.

All in all I think you should just go back to what your gut tells you about the culture there. You might have focused so much on the West and Western-oriented game styles that you forgot what it was like to swim in your own pool.

[Spider]

Girls in Poland are sensitive and kind. You have to approach them with a completely different mentality then you would in the west.

I've been living in Krakow for 3 months and haven't once met a girl who appreciates cocky western game.

Instead I've dated several virgins whose attraction for me has increased when I act like an old school gentleman (hold doors for them, take them on romantic dates).

I've tried being cocky and making fun of some of these Polish chicks like I do back in New York and it results in me getting looked at like I have 3 heads...

In America I'll go on a drinks date and if I don't get the 1st date lay I'll invite them over a few nights later to 'watch a movie and share a glass of wine.'

In Poland it hasn't worked like that. I've taken my girls here on all sorts of different dates, from dinner to museums/art galleries to haunted houses and even to a fucking shooting range where I shot fully auto weapons with my main girl.

It took me about 15 dates to sleep with a virgin who is planning to apply for a visa and get a weekend job to earn enough cash to come visit me in New York in a few months.

It's taken me 2 or 3 dates to sleep with other Polish girls. And another I'm working on I'm at 6 dates with but I think she's ready...

I wouldn't devote that kind of energy to girls in New York because it wouldn't be necessary, but here in Poland in order to have sex with these girls building attraction isn't everything, I've had to build a 'love connection,' or at least something close to it.

In Roosh's Bang Poland, he mentions game here being about simply showing up and being a nice guy.

I dropped the cocky bullshit that gets me laid with tremendous results in the west, and instead adopted some beta techniques and just being a nice (and seemingly caring) guy.

Its worked wonders.

[General Stalin]

(12-06-2015 05:23 AM)Spider Wrote:  

Girls in Poland are sensitive and kind. You have to approach them with a completely different mentality then you would in the west.

I've been living in Krakow for 3 months and haven't once met a girl who appreciates cocky western game.

Instead I've dated several virgins whose attraction for me has increased when I act like an old school gentleman (hold doors for them, take them on romantic dates).

I've tried being cocky and making fun of some of these Polish chicks like I do back in New York and it results in me getting looked at like I have 3 heads...

In America I'll go on a drinks date and if I don't get the 1st date lay I'll invite them over a few nights later to 'watch a movie and share a glass of wine.'

In Poland it hasn't worked like that. I've taken my girls here on all sorts of different dates, from dinner to museums/art galleries to haunted houses and even to a fucking shooting range where I shot fully auto weapons with my main girl.

It took me about 15 dates to sleep with a virgin who is planning to apply for a visa and get a weekend job to earn enough cash to come visit me in New York in a few months.

It's taken me 2 or 3 dates to sleep with other Polish girls. And another I'm working on I'm at 6 dates with but I think she's ready...

I wouldn't devote that kind of energy to girls in New York because it wouldn't be necessary, but here in Poland in order to have sex with these girls building attraction isn't everything, I've had to build a 'love connection,' or at least something close to it.

In Roosh's Bang Poland, he mentions game here being about simply showing up and being a nice guy.

I dropped the cocky bullshit that gets me laid with tremendous results in the west, and instead adopted some beta techniques and just being a nice (and seemingly caring) guy.

Its worked wonders.

This sounds wonderful. I would love to not have to treat a girl like trash to like me.

[luke]

Thanks for answers guys.

(12-05-2015 07:26 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

I have limited experience with EE girls. From my experience, they generally don't understand cocky western game. If your using the same game that you do with American girls, you might be turning them off a bit.

I think so too. Maybe I will proceed with teasing instead and will try to be less cocky.

(12-06-2015 04:41 AM)XXL Wrote:  

Why do you shittest and neg girls? I'm not saying it's wrong just want to know what's your reason or purpose for it

Before coming to PL and having experience from CZ I simply thought that polish girls are more westernized. Also the Rooshs articles about the massive change in Poland influenced me. It is indeed true when we talk about the tattoed, pink haired, pierced bitches. But most PL girls outside of capital and touristy areas are not like that.

That might be the biggest difference between Czech and Polish girls. The Czech girls require rougher treatment and much more cockiness.

(12-06-2015 05:00 AM)Tex Wrote:  

First off, that is a very interesting topic that will get you a lot of attention on here. Personally, I'm planning on spending some time in Eastern Europe and this interests me greatly.

Tex, thanks for interest. I will try to write a datasheet on this topic, simply to summarize my experience and to give you guys ideas what to expect.

(12-06-2015 05:00 AM)Tex Wrote:  

And I'd like to know as XXL does why you shit test girls.
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These kinds of things are completely out of place in Eastern Europe. Keep your slut awareness sharp, because it sounds like Poland will soon become a place for hard game approaches, but as of now it just seems like you might be coming off too strong for these girls.

You sound like you're looking to run and gun and slam these conservative girls, who might have a good time with you the night they meet you, but later characterize you as a guy who just wants to fuck. That good time can work against you in such cases as they rationalize why they'd want to continue seeing you—if they feel like you can quickly fuck them, it might scare them away when that isn't what they want you to do.

Yes. I dont know why I did not realized this before. Sometimes I just happen to sexualize the conversation too much (and too early). And even though the girl was having fun with me; she ends up not going home with me or simply breaks all contact.

One prospect actually tried to friendzone me on the date after first meetup.

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Her: I just think that we should be friends.
Me: I do not agree. I do not believe that you travelled all the way just to tell me that we are friends.

Then I behaved disinterested in her which resulted in her being much more invested in the conversation/date.

And it was on again.
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(12-06-2015 05:00 AM)Tex Wrote:  

I would suggest opening the same ways, and developing the conversation on a more personal level and not being too sexual. Assume you aren't dealing with sluts, or girls who are even thinking about quick sex. Assume quick sex scares them. This goes back to old Day Game advice—treat them like cats, easing into the sexual talk and building comfort gradually so as not to scare the cat away.

Bring up your travels like you do, and go into detail with stories. In short, treat your night game in your EE spots like day game in more Western spots, and stop trying to get ONS unless you feel like you've got an easy girl. There are easy girls everywhere and part of game is finding these girls when you want something quick, so if that's what you're looking for, it's just a matter of vetting out these girls, picking up on the signs and searching harder for them, because there's fewer of girls like that advertising their sluttiness in the EE than LA or Vienna.

This might be the way to go. Less is sometimes more.

Will come back to you during Christmas about the differences between PL and CZ girls. And the "Work and play in Poland" datasheet.