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Milf and hired gun
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Milf and hired gun

I went to a hippieish restaurant for the first times yesterday and today and there was a nearly 40 yo waitress in great shape, I think she was the manager. Turned me on more than most young girls.

Didn't talk to her beyond ordering but I'm pretty sure she realized I was attracted to her. As a noob I give myself away easily and a lot of hired guns get condescending at this point. But she was nice which basically means she didn't hate me.

Anyway, I don't think there is much chance for getting flirtatious on the spot. I mean she doesn't work in a department store so that I can ask her where I can find such and such. So I'm thinking of silent acquisition with something like "You are cute" in the name field. Then if I get her no I can text her that she looks like a strict mom and I'm afraid she's gonna "discipline" me. [Image: whip.gif]

A whore ain't nothing but a trick to a pimp. (Iceberg Slim)
Beauty is in the erection of the beholder. (duedue)
Grab your life by the pussy.
A better question to ask is "What EXACTLY do I want out of life and what EXACTLY am I doing to get EXACTLY that? If you can answer that question truthfully you will be the most Alpha motherfucker you will ever need to be. (PapayaTapper)
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Milf and hired gun

Pay the bill and write your number on the receipt and hand it to her with a communicating smile.

If she is keen, i.e. found you hot, she will follow up.

I wouldn't really waste any time with hired guns in this scenario other than that.

Nor do I bother fucking with 40 year olds, too much baggage and shit going on in their lives.
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Milf and hired gun

Quote: (11-24-2015 08:01 PM)duedue Wrote:  

I went to a hippieish restaurant for the first times yesterday and today and there was a nearly 40 yo waitress in great shape, I think she was the manager. Turned me on more than most young girls.

Didn't talk to her beyond ordering but I'm pretty sure she realized I was attracted to her. As a noob I give myself away easily and a lot of hired guns get condescending at this point. But she was nice which basically means she didn't hate me.

Anyway, I don't think there is much chance for getting flirtatious on the spot. I mean she doesn't work in a department store so that I can ask her where I can find such and such. So I'm thinking of silent acquisition with something like "You are cute" in the name field. Then if I get her no I can text her that she looks like a strict mom and I'm afraid she's gonna "discipline" me. [Image: whip.gif]



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Yeah they can tell - when you're a hungry lion looking at lambs, it's not easy to fake disinterest. Just keep practicing it will come naturally once you start feasting on lambs all day, including breakfast and snacks.

The suggestion above is cool. Order food + leave number + profit = cool trick.
Particularly efficient method when you have some sort of instant turn on factor (apparent millionaire, rock star, brad pitt, mayor of your city etc.).
If you're just an average dude you can still try, after all it's better than doing nothing else - if you do it a few hundred times you'll eventually get lucky...

@OP,
Assuming you're not brad pitt and based on your first post, would it be accurate to say you have not created an atmosphere where she would want to see you again? if so, receipt with your number on it might just go to the bin...

May I suggest another approach - maybe you should go back and talk to her and build up rapport before number-on-receipt?

At the moment she has no reason and no valid approach course to call you - you're just the latest 'hitter' and since she's hot, I bet it's a long list. Not having a reason to call you is basic reason also just calling up a on-receipt number for the average girl would look desperate and she just won't do that. You would be helping her by giving her a reason to want to be in communication with you.

A side note on the communication itself: it's usually a bad idea to leave it to her (to call you). You should get her number and call (or text/email/IM/whatever).

Next time you're there, you might want to open her with something basic (her style, accent, behaviour whatever) and quickly moving on, identify a THING which she is interested in and then suggest a next action which will put you in crash course. (side note: no need to ask her about bf/husband/availability - assume she's crazy about you and it's gonna happen).

Just to be crystal clear the THING should not be "a dick" because about 10 of them are on offer on an average day. She doesn't even have to work for it - she looks sexy and simply shows up at work, it starts raining dicks. A 6-day working week, in a big city restaurant = 60 dicks a week. Your THING (not dick - see below) should stand out and be the ONE THING she would remember and pick out of the 60 dicks at the end of the week.

The THING could be pretty much anything you can think of (depending on what she's interested in and what you can sell):
* helping her with buying <something> -- you're not buying, you're providing information as it's your area of expertise?
* teaching her X -- she always wanted to learn X and you happen to know it very well?
* providing her some information on <whatever>.
There is something for her in it and it's free because you're a good and giving person (and you have not been staring at her boobs and ass during your brief chat so it's all about you helping her nothing more).
(A long shot which worked real life example on the last one: I met a Russian receptionist about 20, her father was a tanker in the army. I mentioned this PC realistic tank game my 40+ army buddies love as much as I do and her father as a former tanker should most definitely check out - I guaranteed he was gonna love it! This led to her giving me her email, from there on, phone #, a few texts later meet up and 2nd meet lay. This brief chat and email exchange was happening next to her colleague - standing literally next to her and I felt "so what time are you out?" would be an instant "no thanks" as she doesn't really need the SLUT! sticker on her back at her workplace - but given the chance all girls wanna make father happy. Later she made Daddy happy too but this is not the BDSM thread.)

Once you got the comms established from there on keep building rapport till you shift the gears when she's ready. This method above I like as it allows time to maneuver and build up without a 30-second you-wanna-fuck-me-or-what confrontation. This is not to be confused with a-good-friend-presented-his-dick method because your non-direct encounter is supposed to be brief.

Below is a piece of info what many people usually omit when posting/telling after action reports like this one.
And this tendency to omit lead to upsetting results when you're just starting with this 'game thing' reading things & trying to replicate results yourself.
Note that if you cannot have a genuine inter-person connection with her, it would be very difficult to fake it.
When providing the information (the THING) remember that you're also presenting yourself during this first encounter. your eyes, hand, body, words, tone, everything is important. you need to send the right signals at every step of your 2-3 minute conversation.
For example the context I have had with the tank girl could have been taken as psycho-loner playing computer games all night after work (at this age!!) and now talking to me about it?! -- how sad.
or
On the other hand it could be presented and seen as a friendly, positive dude, chilling out occasionally when he finds time from his busy work & social life (very busy!) and happy to pass on any good info he might have to total strangers (man or woman) just to share happiness (not for boobs or ass) -- how cute?

Since you're drawing a picture of your life, how to direc a nice picture?
You need to drop in bombs here and there - specific examples in my example: where I play (the PC game), how often, with whom (social aspect), why (it relates to my military experience, my buds thing the same because it's a universal fact - thus her father would love it too) - basically do all you can to help recruit her.
There's zilllions of pua material on this - you can find on this forum and in google. know the signals. keep sending them at a natural looking (non-suspicious/not-too-obvious) way for a couple of minutes.
if you do it right, once you leave after the bombardment, she will think it's a good day because she met an extraordinary creature. you need to keep practicing it will suck first few times.

in my case referenced above, I did send the tank game related info indeed and shortly after moved on to occasional text mode which met with her keen response, leading to meet up without too much text ping pong. honestly she doesn't give (that of much) a fuck about a PC game neither do I but both of us prefer to play along (she might have some real interest to mention it to father but not enough to sleep with me) and her noisy colleague can't say shit about her having a 2-3 minute chat at workplace, after all it's for obtaining and passing on "relevant" information to her father. we all know and absolutely agree: pc tank games are crucial part of life.

This method's obvious weakness: it clearly takes longer than direct confrontation method therefore go with the instant fuck or variations if you can pull, otherwise perhaps give this one a try.
With this one certainly dead ends happen more often than actual wins (like any other method!) but my point is it's massively better than nothing at all and one for the toolbox - good in work related situations. If you can't find anything better do this one.

Try the receipt one if you can pull - that's the ultimate.
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Milf and hired gun

Thanks for your response. I understand what you are saying. It pertains to one of the main weaknesses of my game: "Do it (approach) so that you'll have done it." It can also be called "strike-and-run game". I'm still not good at making that inter-personal connection.. I like to liken it to entering a spaceship, say her personality is like a spaceship who's doors are closed (unless she is desperate) and you need to find a vent to enter her world (like in 2001 Space Odyssey). But finding that vent, or more precisely finding it with a total stranger in a very short amount of time, baffles me all the time. Here are some tactics that come to mind:


* Make her laugh

* Tell her interesting stories about yourself

* Make an observation or guess about her appearance or character
"I thought you were a soccer player because you look badass."
"I like your style." (Say she is wearing a skirt and has long hair.)

* Offer her advice

*Ask her questions. I'm soooo good at this!


I think helping her or giving her advice or info works better for younger girls although it can work for MILFs of course.
I don't think she is hit on 10 times a day. It's a small college town and a lot of the restaurant's clients are regulars.

Could you tell how got to know that the father of that receptionist was a tanker?

A whore ain't nothing but a trick to a pimp. (Iceberg Slim)
Beauty is in the erection of the beholder. (duedue)
Grab your life by the pussy.
A better question to ask is "What EXACTLY do I want out of life and what EXACTLY am I doing to get EXACTLY that? If you can answer that question truthfully you will be the most Alpha motherfucker you will ever need to be. (PapayaTapper)
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Milf and hired gun

Quote: (11-28-2015 09:10 AM)duedue Wrote:  

Thanks for your response. I understand what you are saying. It pertains to one of the main weaknesses of my game: "Do it (approach) so that you'll have done it." It can also be called "strike-and-run game". I'm still not good at making that inter-personal connection.. I like to liken it to entering a spaceship, say her personality is like a spaceship who's doors are closed (unless she is desperate) and you need to find a vent to enter her world (like in 2001 Space Odyssey). But finding that vent, or more precisely finding it with a total stranger in a very short amount of time, baffles me all the time. Here are some tactics that come to mind:


* Make her laugh

* Tell her interesting stories about yourself

* Make an observation or guess about her appearance or character
"I thought you were a soccer player because you look badass."
"I like your style." (Say she is wearing a skirt and has long hair.)

* Offer her advice

*Ask her questions. I'm soooo good at this!


I think helping her or giving her advice or info works better for younger girls although it can work for MILFs of course.
I don't think she is hit on 10 times a day. It's a small college town and a lot of the restaurant's clients are regulars.

Could you tell how got to know that the father of that receptionist was a tanker?

I had a tank wallpaper on android phone I needed to note something on the phone she saw it and mentioned it quickly. people love to connect somehow. I also had a tank stats app and a couple of pictures to go with it, seeing her interest I quickly swiped for a second and basically show it's a genuine interest. mentioned it's my new love even though I was not a tanker myself and never been in one. (her father obviously has been in one and this was her cue).

if you're passionate about something no matter what the clear display of high concentration of emotions when talking about it triggers something on the opposite sex. many people (men included) live day to day and the NEXT HIGH is friday pub. having some higher goal and/or passion (doesn't need to be about saving mankind - could be star wars lol) and not being shy about it sets you apart and helps her see you're something special. personally I usually move on pretty quickly but I think and remember friends who have literally life-long passions and I know how they respond to it when it's mentioned: how they talk about it, unusually animated body gestures and so on. it's a great thing to learn & a great ability to fake. I had the coin geek at work and I would show him a 10p and he would talk about <whatever> coin issued by queen victoria in <1857 or whenever>. if you don't interrupt, he'd go on about for 30 minutes. that's not attractive. the initial high emotion bit is. copy the useful bit and drop the nerdness aspect.

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I'm still not good at making that inter-personal connection..
either work on it and improve over time (BTW don't beat yourself it's not something to improve for the weekend)
or
don't assume there is one right way of doing it. if you do not wish to work on the IP-connection you might find it better to use one of the raider techniques.

one example I can think of: there was this guy in NY (American, from another state originally) I read about and also skimmed through his ebook. he practically became the NY-raider lol. sadly can't remember his name now but he was later on national TV so you should be able to find him in google. perhaps use his technique of movie trailers. you don't need to connect or handhold more than 3-5 minutes with his method during the first meet.

-be careful with giving advice it can trigger negative sentiments especially if you're much younger (i.e.: clearly less life-experienced).
-"I like your style" is good but need to go well with other background things. such as you need to demonstrate you are a man who clearly knows about style (and can display with your own appearance) otherwise can come off as obvious flattery/hitting on her.
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