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Hand Massage - Taking an Interaction from Zero to Sexual
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Hand Massage - Taking an Interaction from Zero to Sexual

INTRO

Gents, this is a technique that I haven't seen discussed in much depth yet on this forum. Given my recent successes using this as an escalation tool over the past couple of years, I decided it deserved it's own thread.

Anyway, one thing my father instilled in me at an early age was the importance of massage. He taught me various techniques, mostly designed for the head, neck, and shoulder areas. He would always be emphasizing, "Son, if you want to have your way with a woman when you're older, massage is one of the best ways to go about doing that." Now, this is obviously a universal truth today, as many of you forum players can attest. But until a few years ago, I was only really using massage as a part of my end game to get a woman into bed once she was already at my place. It had never really occurred to me to use this really early in the interaction to create a sexual vibe until I met my friend, let's call him Dave.

BACKGROUND OF THE TECHNIQUE

Originally, this is a technique that I was introduced to by one of my good Aussie friends Dave about 3 years ago when I was living in Australia. Anyway, Dave is a natural alpha player (also a father to a couple kids) in his late 30's who is also a certified massage therapist. I originally saw him bust this out at a music festival on girls we had been meeting in random places around the venue. I watched him do this several times, usually not asking permission at all and executing it as early as the 3 or 5 minute mark in the interaction. Note - This all transpired while we were standing up, outside during the day in a sunny festival environment near the ocean.

He would just grab their wrist as they were casually talking, then start rubbing the palm of the hand with the thumb of his other hand, without breaking stride in the conversation at all whatsoever. The girl would sometimes look down at her hands as if to say with her eyes (with raised eyebrows) and slightly tense/guarded body language, "What do you think you're doing?" He didn't seem to ever acknowledge such discomfort, if it existed. Soon he would be rubbing with use of both of his hands, one hand focused on massaging the underside of the girl's wrist (her wrist turned up) while his other hand would focus more on her palm and fingers. The look in her eyes would quickly transform to a confused expression that communicated, "Ohhh, this is strange but wait that kinda feels really niiiiiice..." And very shortly after this, her body language would relax completely to a state of total willingness, and she would have this smile on her face that said, "Ohh my god, please don't stop this..." and sometimes she would offer her other hand voluntarily once the one hand was finished.

Importantly though, I observed that he was able to command the attention of these girls with such authority. Considering the attention span of the average female, and that we were at that moment situated in an environment saturated with stimulation and distractions (smell of food trucks, the colorful plethora of people at the venue, drunk idiots yelling nearby, different types of music coming from several different locations, etc.), I was intrigued, to say the least.

He would do this massage routine casually for 2 or 3 or 5 minutes, usually switching to the other girl's hand at some point, while continuing the conversation. Sometimes by the end, he and the girl would be casually holding hands, when he would suggest they go together to get a drink or walk someplace to check out some music together...after only knowing each other for 5 or 10 minutes in some cases.

In the midst of this technique, he would maintain strong eye contact with the girl the entire time, while still keeping a light and playful/flirty mood. The end result is that I watched these girls transform in front of my eyes. If at first they would be possibly a little hesitant to be talking to a stranger, by the end they would be completely submissive, buttered up, and - most notably - they would stick to him like glue afterwards. After doing this for a little while, he would be walking around the venue with one girl on each side of him, walking hand-in-hand, casually kissing one or the other like they had known each other for months. I was all quite surreal to someone like myself who had never seen anything like that done before.

ADAPTATION AND APPLICATION OF THE TECHNIQUE IN MY GAME

As my natural state is not as high-energy as my friend Dave, I have adapted the use of this technique a bit differently in my interactions with women. As I've been doing nearly 90-95% day game the past 6 months or so, I've found the best time to implement this technique is during the first meetup, let's call it DAY 2. DAY 1 being the day you meet her and get her number.

My recent favorite DAY 2 gaming locations are generally coffee shops or an establishment serving good beer, with very little variation from these. The reason being very simple: I love good coffee and good beer and these dates don't cost much money. I will note that historically for me, coffee shops have not been a great place to escalate physically because I have had the limiting belief that alcohol is needed to lower a woman's inhibitions sufficiently in order to go for a kiss or start touching her leg, etc.

Anyway, so as I said, I like to use the hand massage from as early as 10 minutes into the interaction. Normally, we will be discussing various things, and I will ask her, "Do you know how to give massages?" Or, "Have you ever had a hand massage before?" Or, "How do you feel about massage?"

Ideally, you are going to be sitting at a table or a booth, either side by side or with the two of you occupying the two closest seats at a square or round table. If for some reason she is sitting across from you (which I always try to avoid in the first place), I usually pat the seat closest to me with my hand and say "Come sit here I want to show you something" or something similar. Usually she will take the suggestion but if there is any hesitation on her end I just take the seat next to her without much fuss.

Then I say, "Give me your hand." I will square up our bodies so we are as close to facing each other as possible, hopefully with one or more of our knees gently touching. I will take her hand - usually the hand closest to me first - and grab it with my nearest hand. Example, if she is sitting to my right, I will grab her left wrist with my right hand. Now that I have her by the wrist, I gently turn it so that her palm is now facing up, usually resting on my thigh or sometimes on the table depending on the setup. I will then examine her hand for like 20 or 30 seconds. I will comment on things like scars, callouses, how long her fingers are, how nice her nails are, how soft her skin is, how cold her fingers are, etc.

Note - This is a good time to note that in order to have success in this technique, you definitely need to have some level of nail maintenance and hand cleanliness. Example, if you are a mechanic, make sure you scrub the shit out of your hands and deep under the nails before a date so you don't freak a girl out when you go for for this move. Generally, it is good to keep your nails short so as not to scratch or dig into her skin when rubbing it. Also, if you have rough skin, I would suggest using some sort of coconut oil or other intense moisturizer so that your hands are soft and touchable prior to trying this technique.

From here, usually I will start massaging her palm with my nearest thumb, starting in clockwise circular motions, opposing the back of her palm with the other four fingers of my near hand. Then I will take my far hand and grab her wrist and start massaging the underside of her wrist gently with my other thumb in the same fashion, but instead using counter-clockwise circles. As I do this, I am kind of going around her palm in circular motions with my near hand, covering the entirety of the palm.

Then I will work on her fingers. I will use my near hand for this, while still massaging her wrist with far hand. I grab the base of her thumb using the index finger and thumb of my near hand and squeeze while gently wiggling my fingers laterally, trying to massage the entire circumference of her thumb. Slowly, I work my way down to the thumbnail, where I'll squeeze a little firmer now for like 3-5 seconds, then gently tug it towards the tip of her thumb between my thumb and index finger. Then release and start on the next finger.

Usually I will cycle through her fingers one or a few times, depending on her reaction, which is almost 100% positive. Then I will flip her hand over and work the back of her palm and back of her wrist, working my way down to her fingers again. All the while, the conversation is flowing, talking about nothing in particular or again using her hands as the subject. Example, "Do you usually have poor circulation in your fingers?" Or, "You know that girls who like the color green for nail color are gold diggers right?" Or, "How do you cook with nails so long." Etc.

Then I will say, "Ok, all done." Or, put her first hand down and hold out my hand and say, "Ok, time for the other hand." I don't think I've ever had an experience where the girl didn't want to have her other hand massaged after the first one.

Sometimes I will stop what I'm doing like I'm lost in thought or distracted by what we are talking about but continue holding her hand. Then I'll say something like, "I think you're enjoying this a little too much," and then go for a little kiss. Then I'll look at her, smile, and continue massaging again like nothing happened and either continue the conversation thread or start a new one. If the kiss was unsuccessful, I will generally proceed as if nothing happened and try again in a short while.

After the massage is over, I will sometimes continue holding her hand. If I'm not holding her hand, usually I will maintain the close proximity to her with our knees touching, often touching her thigh, and eventually resting my hand on her thigh for extended periods...going for another longer kiss, etc. I find that the key is to minimize the space gap until I have kissed her. But sometimes, if we are comfortable, I like to maintain a close proximity and continue touching her.

Another move that I will do is sometimes go higher up on her arm. Sometimes up to her bicep, at which point I will tease her on her muscles or lack thereof. Or ask her to flex while feeling her muscle. Or use it as an opportunity to find out why she is she so toned, "Do you do yoga?" etc. Sometimes I will just hold her hand and then start stroking her arm, mentioning how soft her skin feels.

CLOSING THOUGHTS

I would say that relatively rarely (maybe 20% of attempts) doing this move am I denied a kiss shortly thereafter in the interaction although I am denied from time to time. For me, it has probably been my go-to escalation technique in coffee shops, and also a great move to use in a craft beer bar or really any other place where the two of you are sitting down close together.

For me, the biggest benefits of using this technique are the following:

1) It sets the frame that I am a touchy-feely guy early on. She has the understanding that I'm a sensual man and I like to touch the woman I'm with in a gentle, but natural way.

2) It gets her thinking, "If he can make my hands feel like this, I wonder what he can do to other parts of my body..." Self explanatory.

3) The hands, in my experience, have been the doorway to a woman's more intimate parts. I think the hands are the best way to start touching a woman to build her trust. From here, it becomes very natural to then move to her upper arms, knees, thighs, etc. until the touching goes from sensual to sexual.

4) Hand massage is a great natural way to close the space gap and create more comfort, while ultimately setting up the kiss, which moves things in a sexual direction. I have been successful more times than not getting a kiss from a girl sometime shortly following or during a hand massage.

5) I don't think many guys use the hand massage technique, and you will be set apart in her eyes as not just another guy. As far as I know, not many guys are doing this out there.

6) 100% of the last several girls I have slept with have been escalated early using the hand massage. Enough said.

I would be curious to hear from other players here on your specific hand massage techniques, stories, comments, or by sharing your resources or tricks as to what works for you. Hopefully, if nothing else, this can give some newer players another tool in the toolbox for helping to initiate physical escalation with a girl in otherwise non-tradition escalation locations and scenarios.

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Hand Massage - Taking an Interaction from Zero to Sexual

I've been using massage for a long time, but a few things are important:

1. Don't do it if you don't truly learn it. This isn't a routing you can half ass. You can hurt people if you don't know what you're doing.

2. You need to be congruent. If you aren't really a sensual guy in general this can come off poorly.

3. Hands are a good introduction but I've had no problem massaging shoulders and necks. The look of relaxation mixed with wonder and intrigue that you can make come over a woman's face is powerful and enjoyable.

Something you mentioned was a gentle touch but I think it's key that the girl feel the strength coupled with the control/mastery of the female body.

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Quote: (11-09-2015 05:12 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

I've been using massage for a long time, but a few things are important:

1. Don't do it if you don't truly learn it. This isn't a routing you can half ass. You can hurt people if you don't know what you're doing.

2. You need to be congruent. If you aren't really a sensual guy in general this can come off poorly.

3. Hands are a good introduction but I've had no problem massaging shoulders and necks. The look of relaxation mixed with wonder and intrigue that you can make come over a woman's face is powerful and enjoyable.

Something you mentioned was a gentle touch but I think it's key that the girl feel the strength coupled with the control/mastery of the female body.

Good points. Thanks for your feedback. My question for you on your number 3 point is how do you introduce the shoulder/neck massage in a coffee shop environment? The reason I like the hand massage is that it is quite casual and you can bust it out really in just about any situation. I feel like a neck/shoulder massage would be slightly more logistically challenging in the coffee shop environment.

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I've haven't out and out massaged a hand, but I've always been a big fan of just running my fingers through their hand and generally playing around with it, if they reciprocate I don't think I've ever been denied a make out in the same date. If they don't I've had a 100% chance of failure trying to kiss them that date, and probably I'd go as far as saying never seeing them again.

Noticing the above statistic I went out with a Hungarian chick recently where I did the hand thing and she told me "Don't you think that is abit too fast", in addition to other signs of her losing interest throughout the date I just up and walked out on her with a "well im done here, see you around". It was a Saturday night so I just went to a nightclub and got wasted, nothing happened but there was a better chance of me making progress there than that dead end date.

If anything this is a good technique to really screen out the girls that fear intimacy and will ultimately waste your time. The added benefit of going about it your way is it gives more plausible deniability so you might get away with it abit more, but if you ask rather than just go for it they might just let you to be polite.

Still I'd like to know exactly how to do this properly, hard to really learn from reading instructions.
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Quote: (11-09-2015 08:01 AM)bootyhuntah Wrote:  

Good points. Thanks for your feedback. My question for you on your number 3 point is how do you introduce the shoulder/neck massage in a coffee shop environment? The reason I like the hand massage is that it is quite casual and you can bust it out really in just about any situation. I feel like a neck/shoulder massage would be slightly more logistically challenging in the coffee shop environment.

It's vastly simpler if a woman already knows you do massage of course. I will occasionally massage friend's shoulders/necks so within most all of my social network it's definitely known.

I trade massages for massages, trade massage for free drinks/food/services, and on the rare occasion I go to strip clubs even trade massage for lap dances, drinks, or shoulder/neck massages.

Why would you be afraid of touching a woman's shoulder versus her hand? If a girl doesn't already know I do massage I'll mention it casually when I talk about what I do for a living or in some other way work it into the conversation. Frankly though, it's not really a focus for me when pursuing a girl, although introducing touch is definitely an important piece, this is just one option for me and it's a good one because it's congruent for me. Keep in mind that many people have tight shoulders and necks due to the myriad of work environments that require people sit at desks for long periods of time.

I've gotten weird looks massaging a good guy friend's shoulders and I've also got weird looks and shit tests from girls when I'm massaging girl friends. Usually it's idiots or with women they're actually jealous or interested in being massaged by me. I can go from just meeting a girl through friends to just minutes later having them in a near headlock position working deep on their shoulders/neck. I just don't care what people think or assume when I'm massaging. It helps people, it keeps my hands/forearms strong, and it provides me lots of resulting value.

The only way to get to know how and when a woman will be open to you massaging her is by beginning to massage girls you date, then move the massage earlier and earlier in the interaction until you're comfortable asking and able to recognize when in the interaction they'll be open to it. I wish I had more specific advice on this, but I've been doing it for so long and it's so "natural" to me that I'm having trouble breaking it down more clearly.

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Quote: (11-09-2015 11:09 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  

I've haven't out and out massaged a hand, but I've always been a big fan of just running my fingers through their hand and generally playing around with it, if they reciprocate I don't think I've ever been denied a make out in the same date. If they don't I've had a 100% chance of failure trying to kiss them that date, and probably I'd go as far as saying never seeing them again.

Noticing the above statistic I went out with a Hungarian chick recently where I did the hand thing and she told me "Don't you think that is abit too fast", in addition to other signs of her losing interest throughout the date I just up and walked out on her with a "well im done here, see you around". It was a Saturday night so I just went to a nightclub and got wasted, nothing happened but there was a better chance of me making progress there than that dead end date.

If anything this is a good technique to really screen out the girls that fear intimacy and will ultimately waste your time. The added benefit of going about it your way is it gives more plausible deniability so you might get away with it abit more, but if you ask rather than just go for it they might just let you to be polite.

Regarding your comment using this as a screening tool, I could see how that could help to screen out completely cold prospects. However, in my experience, I honestly can't even remember a single instance when a girl ever denied the hand massage, because most are just really curious about it if nothing else. Additionally, the hand massage is so innocent, and there is really very little at stake for the girl. In my opinion, I'd say this proposition lies safely within most girl's comfort zones. Especially if you frame it correctly.

Lately, I've been using this technique on latinas almost exclusively. And latinas are far more receptive to touch early-on (and in general for that matter) than some other nationalities, like possibly the Hungarian (never met a Hungarian before) in your case. Although I also tried it on an American girl recently (and several Aussies in the past) and she (and they) completely ate it up. I think the great thing with this technique - assuming you can learn/practice it and get your skills to a level where you know what you are doing - is that few girls I've given this to have ever even had a hand massage before. And that fact alone sets you apart very quickly in my opinion.

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Still I'd like to know exactly how to do this properly, hard to really learn from reading instructions.

Yeah I will definitely link a video or more visual how-to guide here soon once my internet connection is more respectable (South Peru internet is quite meh).

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Quote: (11-09-2015 02:45 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

Why would you be afraid of touching a woman's shoulder versus her hand?

In the places I like to take girls when I'm first getting to know them, the seating arrangement is not generally conducive to accessing a girl's neck and shoulder regions. Regions that - I might add - are generally considered to be more intimate and thus require a bit more trust to access right off the bat. I'm not saying doing a neck massage is impossible in these places; what I'm saying is that the hand massage is a very easy and natural transition that requires very little logistical challenges in such locations.

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Frankly though, it's not really a focus for me when pursuing a girl, although introducing touch is definitely an important piece, this is just one option for me and it's a good one because it's congruent for me.

You are touching on some great things here, forgive the pun. For me, hand massage has been the best way to introduce touching a girl in a very natural, non-creepy way without the need for other inhibition-lowering aids like alcohol, etc.

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Keep in mind that many people have tight shoulders and necks due to the myriad of work environments that require people sit at desks for long periods of time.

Not arguing with you here. I think if everyone had a massage once a week, the world would be a far less stressed out place. This is actually something I talk about when I'm giving the girl a hand massage...

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I like this, except your dialogue. I thought your friend did it much better.

'How do you feel about a massage' seems very passive/weak/uncertain. Just grab the hand and start doing your thing.

Same for 'ok all done'. Just stop, or start, or grab the other hand, or whatever.

Verbalising what you're doing makes her think about it, and her thinking too much about it is the opposite of what you want.

Overall, love it though. Good write up.
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Quote: (11-09-2015 08:14 PM)trawler Wrote:  

I like this, except your dialogue. I thought your friend did it much better.

'How do you feel about a massage' seems very passive/weak/uncertain. Just grab the hand and start doing your thing.

To be clear, I usually ask, "How do you feel about massage?" This is an open-ended question asking her how she feels about massage in general.

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Same for 'ok all done'. Just stop, or start, or grab the other hand, or whatever.

Verbalising what you're doing makes her think about it, and her thinking too much about it is the opposite of what you want.

Overall, love it though. Good write up.

Fair call, I definitely like your idea about just stopping without saying anything and simply taking her other hand with no permission. Will try that, thanks for the suggestion.

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Quote: (11-09-2015 09:22 PM)bootyhuntah Wrote:  

Quote: (11-09-2015 08:14 PM)trawler Wrote:  

I like this, except your dialogue. I thought your friend did it much better.

'How do you feel about a massage' seems very passive/weak/uncertain. Just grab the hand and start doing your thing.

To be clear, I usually ask, "How do you feel about massage?" This is an open-ended question asking her how she feels about massage in general.

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Same for 'ok all done'. Just stop, or start, or grab the other hand, or whatever.

Verbalising what you're doing makes her think about it, and her thinking too much about it is the opposite of what you want.

Overall, love it though. Good write up.

Fair call, I definitely like your idea about just stopping without saying anything and simply taking her other hand with no permission. Will try that, thanks for the suggestion.

I direct them. Close to the wording I use:

"Move all your hair to the side"

"Head down, breathe deep and relax"

"I'm going to put my arm around you, rest your head on me"

"Is that too hard?" (implying you're stronger than them and can hurt them if you use all your strength, but also gives you valuable feedback as to whether they need a lighter or stronger touch)

"You're so tense here" (they usually respond in awe that I found and am releasing their tension)

"Sit down" or "move over" or "turn this way"

I don't ask, I tell. I don't know that I'm a master at massage, but I am definitely proficient and it comes across in my wording and my body language.

The most I've ever got is little shit tests about telling them what to do, or little jokes about me liking to be in charge. I ignore them, once my hands are on them they usually have trouble speaking anymore because they go into an entirely different head space.

Keep in mind these are mostly social situations and not in 1 on 1 date situations, but the same applies and if anything it's better because there's no other people nearby to comment or try to cock-block.

It's also powerful to have the ability to give a woman so much relaxation and pleasure and have no thirstyness and have the self-control to not cross the line. It highlights to them that I have a lot of options. With women I actually choose to date I've crossed the line more than a few times, but most of the time, I keep my massage completely platonic. This gives me plausible deniability that I'm not massaging and then trying to transition into fucking other girls. They also see me working for at least a few minutes on multiple friends so they have no way to complain about me being touchy with another female.

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Sounds like we're all on the same page. I still don't like 'how do you feel about x' but I think you probably say it in the right way, so it's an individual/stylistic thing.

Thanks again for the right up.
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Great thread and also agree it can be a great screening tool. I will def try and incorporate some of the great knowledge shared here.

Here is specifically how I use massage in my adventures:

1) (Credit to Good Looking Loser for this move) - When I meet a girl, I usually am direct in my attraction to her and right off the handshake, I do an extended handhold and shake it back and forth in a playful manner and IF THEY ALLOW ME TO DO THIS, I will massage the back of their hand with my thumb. As I type this, I am reminded of why did I ever stop doing this or rather why don't i do this all the time to filter out who's down and who's not. While it does screen out a lot of girls, it does save me time and money as my ex gf I met doing this and one of my previous same day lays.

2) I'll have to find the exact porn video link but there's this one video of a fake massage therapist who starts off doing this innocent massages and then slowly escalates the massage to a more sexual vibe and next thing you know, he's fingering and fucking the girl. Now i'm pretty sure this vids are fake but I have successfully pulled similar things off where let's say I pull a girl back to my hotel room. Earlier in the interaction, I'll plant a seed that one of my friends is a professional masseuse (true) and then in my room, will say that their back looks bad and something doesn't seem right (not true). I'll then feel their lower back and ask them if they work at a computer a lot and then tell them to lie down on the bed. At that point, similar to the porn video, I'll start off innocent, usually at the temples, which was something my ex gf taught me as it actually works, try it. Then after that, then I massage their shoulders and just do a friendly yet decent massage. After a min or two, once I feel they've "relaxed", then I'll go to the feet. I'll work those feet and slowly work my way up the calf and tease my way up the thigh and i try to prepare the girl for my motions. meaning that say i'm massaging their calf, I'll do it in a clockwise motion where it's natural that my hand will rise up near her inner knee, thus when i'm massaging their lower inner thigh, at one point in the motion, my hands go up to the upper inner thigh and then now WHEN I MASSAGE THE UPPER INNER THIGH, it's only natural that i lightly touch their inner butt cheek and partly their snatch.

Now, the first time i ever did this, at one point, i had grazed my fingers over the girl's calves and thighs and heard a moan so knew i was in. I actually started licking the girl's inner thigh and the rest was history. The next time i did this, my girl was wearing a mini skirt so I totally saw her panties and when i was working the inner thigh, she spread her legs so again, i also knew it was on. BUT, they have NOT all been good news.

I've actually struck out the last week and a half TWICE, where i got the girl back to my place, gave them a massage and here's what happened.

First girl made me promise that I would not do anything FREAKY as she was concerned that i was some crazy murderer as she had some shit go down in the past. I had only met her about 15 min before she agreed to come back to my hotel room to have wine. At one point, I was rubbing her upper inner thigh, like where her bikini line would be an subtly rubbing her pussy. She was wearing these short ass spandex biker shorts and at one point, i started to pull down her shorts saying there was tension in her ass but she stopped me saying "no, i'm good. remember, you know how i am" so I took that as a no or rather, not yet. in hindsight, i should've developed more rapport but i only had one hour left on my room so had to move quickly. Another takeaway from that is unlike all the other times, she had one of those roller pillows on the bed where when i tried it, it actually doesn't make the girl go in as much of a sexual position vs a purely face down position. If I could turn back time, i would've ditched the pillow and keep her face down and make her stick her ass out and massage her butt cheeks until I got her to "relax" She also had on a sweater so I should've had her take that off. With my previous two successful massage closes, they had either taken off shoes and/or jacket or both.

With most recent fail, girl was actually pretty drunk before we got to my room. My hand was pretty much up her skirt when she suddenly got up and said "let's go eat" WTF? But here were my perceived failures. Number 1, she had her jacket on so not as totally comfy as she could've been. Gotta remember to train them to take off their clothing. Number 2, during our initial interaction, everytime i tried to do a extended hand hold or even hi five to handhold, she would NOT receiprocate. So i think the more foundational lesson for me at least, is to establish filters in general to see who is dtf for my style of approach/massage game.
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Quote: (11-11-2015 03:03 AM)fucksong Wrote:  

Great thread and also agree it can be a great screening tool. I will def try and incorporate some of the great knowledge shared here.

Here is specifically how I use massage in my adventures:

1) (Credit to Good Looking Loser for this move) - When I meet a girl, I usually am direct in my attraction to her and right off the handshake, I do an extended handhold and shake it back and forth in a playful manner and IF THEY ALLOW ME TO DO THIS, I will massage the back of their hand with my thumb. As I type this, I am reminded of why did I ever stop doing this or rather why don't i do this all the time to filter out who's down and who's not. While it does screen out a lot of girls, it does save me time and money as my ex gf I met doing this and one of my previous same day lays.

I like this. You reminded me of something. That I could probably use a little more boldness in my game, especially in the beginning of an interaction to screen out non-DTF girls better. Definitely feel like I haven't been getting rejected enough with the hand massage and that likely means that I'm not being bold enough with how I offer it and that I need to experiment with doing it much earlier in the interaction, like within the first couple of minutes. Good call.

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2) I'll have to find the exact porn video link but there's this one video of a fake massage therapist who starts off doing this innocent massages and then slowly escalates the massage to a more sexual vibe and next thing you know, he's fingering and fucking the girl. Now i'm pretty sure this vids are fake but I have successfully pulled similar things off where let's say I pull a girl back to my hotel room. Earlier in the interaction, I'll plant a seed that one of my friends is a professional masseuse (true) and then in my room, will say that their back looks bad and something doesn't seem right (not true). I'll then feel their lower back and ask them if they work at a computer a lot and then tell them to lie down on the bed. At that point, similar to the porn video, I'll start off innocent, usually at the temples, which was something my ex gf taught me as it actually works, try it. Then after that, then I massage their shoulders and just do a friendly yet decent massage. After a min or two, once I feel they've "relaxed", then I'll go to the feet. I'll work those feet and slowly work my way up the calf and tease my way up the thigh and i try to prepare the girl for my motions. meaning that say i'm massaging their calf, I'll do it in a clockwise motion where it's natural that my hand will rise up near her inner knee, thus when i'm massaging their lower inner thigh, at one point in the motion, my hands go up to the upper inner thigh and then now WHEN I MASSAGE THE UPPER INNER THIGH, it's only natural that i lightly touch their inner butt cheek and partly their snatch.

Now, the first time i ever did this, at one point, i had grazed my fingers over the girl's calves and thighs and heard a moan so knew i was in. I actually started licking the girl's inner thigh and the rest was history. The next time i did this, my girl was wearing a mini skirt so I totally saw her panties and when i was working the inner thigh, she spread her legs so again, i also knew it was on. BUT, they have NOT all been good news.

I've actually struck out the last week and a half TWICE, where i got the girl back to my place, gave them a massage and here's what happened.

First girl made me promise that I would not do anything FREAKY as she was concerned that i was some crazy murderer as she had some shit go down in the past. I had only met her about 15 min before she agreed to come back to my hotel room to have wine. At one point, I was rubbing her upper inner thigh, like where her bikini line would be an subtly rubbing her pussy. She was wearing these short ass spandex biker shorts and at one point, i started to pull down her shorts saying there was tension in her ass but she stopped me saying "no, i'm good. remember, you know how i am" so I took that as a no or rather, not yet. in hindsight, i should've developed more rapport but i only had one hour left on my room so had to move quickly. Another takeaway from that is unlike all the other times, she had one of those roller pillows on the bed where when i tried it, it actually doesn't make the girl go in as much of a sexual position vs a purely face down position. If I could turn back time, i would've ditched the pillow and keep her face down and make her stick her ass out and massage her butt cheeks until I got her to "relax" She also had on a sweater so I should've had her take that off. With my previous two successful massage closes, they had either taken off shoes and/or jacket or both.

With most recent fail, girl was actually pretty drunk before we got to my room. My hand was pretty much up her skirt when she suddenly got up and said "let's go eat" WTF? But here were my perceived failures. Number 1, she had her jacket on so not as totally comfy as she could've been. Gotta remember to train them to take off their clothing. Number 2, during our initial interaction, everytime i tried to do a extended hand hold or even hi five to handhold, she would NOT receiprocate. So i think the more foundational lesson for me at least, is to establish filters in general to see who is dtf for my style of approach/massage game.

And thanks for sharing your failures. I think we can all learn something from that. You remind me that I should post my failures more often as they can actually be quite interesting, albeit painful to admit to.

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Hand Massage - Taking an Interaction from Zero to Sexual

This is probably the best instructional series that most closely mimics my technique, sans hand lotion.

https://snapguide.com/guides/give-a-4-mi...d-massage/

I'm not sure how to embed the videos from the above link in here, but the techniques in the link are pretty good.

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Hand Massage - Taking an Interaction from Zero to Sexual

Thanks for this. I'm practicing this technique on my plates initially .. Getting good feedback .. Looking forward to trying it on some first dates.
I introduce it as ... A girl a work give me a hand massage today. It was awesome. .. Then just grab her hand .. Nothing strange about that !
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