[solo]

I want to put down a list of how to avoid p4p when travelling. This is what I've come up with myself:

Focus more on day game and less on night game
Have nice HV clothes (to set you apart from the sloppy sex tourists)
Take a girl home but not have sex on the first night(s) (if she still wants to see you after that she’s likely not into p4p)
Careful venue selection
If possible, try to stay in apartments instead of hotels

Feel free to add your own ideas.

I would also like to hear people's opinions on where to draw the line between prostitution and "normal" intersexual relations in poor countries. Lumiere, I read that you simply don't date girls who behave in a transactional way, ie whose company is contingent on you buying her stuff/giving her money etc. This is a solid definition but I just wonder how you manage to go on dates with really poor girls who can't afford to buy her own drinks, food, accomodation or travel with you? Do you avoid dating such poor girls alltogether?

[Lumiere]

Do I avoid dating such poor girls alltogether?

No I dont.

And, as I have said before, I don't mind buying drinks for cool people (guys and girls) but if I do that it is because they are cool.

There are many great places in the world with hot women who live in poor countries.

The key is whether they behave in a transactional way.

Example. Me and Latinstylez arrived in Philippines in Jan this year on a late night flight. Dropped our bags and went out at 4am and hit up a cool expat sports bar that I know. Chilled and had some beer there until 6:30am and went to a fast food place on the way back to crash.

I spotted a super cute filpina chick and got her number.

Long story short. Met her the next night and banged her. Seemed nice and never asked for money.

Every other time aftger that I suggested meeting she wanted to meet in a place where I could buy her dinner and refused to meet me if I did not want to meet in those places and pay for her shit first so I cut her loose.

The places she wanted to meet were fast food / pizza places which would have cost me very little $$$ but that's not the point.

It's transactional behaviour. It's disrespectful and not cool. Girls like that get cut loose.

[pitt]

I also dont mind buying chicks dinner but thats if i feel like and most of the time i only do it to girls that i already fucked.

Most countries that we travel to, girls expect you to buy them shit, most ladies see this as if they were being treated like real ladies, they dont think you are a fool for buying them shit, although i dont like to buy chicks dinners unless i really feel like, but im always eating out everyday, so i wouldnt mind buying a dinner for a chick that im fucking or shit like that.

The semi-pros aint a real problem to me, a chick is a chick, if she doesnt look like a prostitute and she looks real hot and after she gets to my room, she tells me she needs few dollars, i dont mind spending few dollars for a quick fuck.

When you slept around a lot, you have money, you look good and have game..when you get to those 3rd world countries, you dont really care if you have to pay a normal looking chick few dollars to fuck her..remember that you fucking the rest of town for free.

[Dash Global]

The best way is to to not go to the venues known for p4p....

[MiXX]

Lol. Transactional Behaviour!!

I have been looking for a label fitting enough to describe those types of girls and that is it!!

Colombia is jam-packed with women who show this transactional behavior, and 90% will act this way on their initial encounter before you get a shot at a bang. I wish they would let me bang first, and THEN act this way. You're lucky if that is the case for you most times.

Surprisingly, they are not pros; just used to trying to get things from men.

Mixx

[Dash Global]

Not sure why a stylish good looking dude would want to avoid semi pros.

I was just in Cartagena and hooked up with a FINE ASS semi pro for free that I meet at a known p4p venue.

Places like this are great for dead weekday nights and on nights you strike out at the normal clubs and bars and facing going back to the hotel with ur dick in ur hand. Alot of these chicks are in school and have reg jobs.

[Aliblahba]

I've always defined a semi-pro as girls with day jobs that sling pussy on the side now and again. If a girl expects you to buy dinner I hardly consider it any form of prostitution.

[solo]

(06-21-2011 01:18 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Colombia is jam-packed with women who show this transactional behavior, and 90% will act this way on their initial encounter before you get a shot at a bang.
Mixx

Curiously, in Bogotá I semi-dated a girl who actually insisted on paying for me 50% or more of the times we went out! She was still flakey as HELL though.

[solo]

(06-21-2011 01:24 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

Not sure why a stylish good looking dude would want to avoid semi pros.

Well many reasons, one being that I don't want to put down all this work on game just to go and have sex with some girl for money which I could have done anyway (without all the work). That wouldn't do anything for the Ache I have. So I want to at least TRY to avoid transactional sex. While there is defo SOME truth in the argument that all women are just more or less sophisticated pros, I want to acquire the power to attract them and win them over.

[Dash Global]

(06-21-2011 02:09 PM)solo Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 01:24 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

Not sure why a stylish good looking dude would want to avoid semi pros.

Well many reasons, one being that I don't want to put down all this work on game just to go and have sex with some girl for money which I could have done anyway (without all the work). That wouldn't do anything for the Ache I have. So I want to at least TRY to avoid transactional sex. While there is defo SOME truth in the argument that all women are just more or less sophisticated pros, I want to acquire the power to attract them and win them over.

I never said anything about money lol Just because you are in the presence of pros and semi pros doesnt mean you must "pay" to sleep with them. It takes ALOT more game to roll into a place like the Del Rey in Costa Rica and pull a 9-10 out of there for FREE than it does to pull a regular grl at a normal club. Those chicks are fucking pros to the max and are about making that paper.

In closing dont be close minded per say. Semi pros are regular chicks that can be gamed in a regular fashion. You are missing out on some poon if you "Avoid" places where these chicks congregate.

[solo]

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I never said anything about money lol Just because you are in the presence of pros and semi pros doesnt mean you must "pay" to sleep with them. It takes ALOT more game to roll into a place like the Del Rey in Costa Rica and pull a 9-10 out of there for FREE than it does to pull a regular grl at a normal club. Those chicks are fucking pros to the max and are about making that paper.

In closing dont be close minded per say. Semi pros are regular chicks that can be gamed in a regular fashion. You are missing out on some poon if you "Avoid" places where these chicks congregate.

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But my game still isn't strong enough to pull something like that off and I'd end up having to pay. Even though it's true I'm missing out I prefer not having to worry about paying afterwards.

[MiXX]

I don't think there is such a thing as a semi-pro, you're either a ho or not. This shit that she only slings her pussy part-time or only during summer months is bullshit. To me, she is still a hooker once she accepts DIRECT payment for sex regardless of the time spent doing it. The fact that she works as a bank teller during the day is what I see as her hobby. So she is a semi-bank teller and fully certified ho.

I avoid them because sex us mechanical and I don't feel I "earned" the pussy, which is where I get off.

Shoring hookers just to show you can get it without paying a hooker does NOTHING fir my ego.

Fucking a high status model on the cover of a magazine does.

Or fucking a lady cop. Why go through the trouble of shoring a pro when I can Pay her and kick her ass out? That's just a waste of energy in my book.

Mixx

[Dash Global]

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But my game still isn't strong enough to pull something like that off and I'd end up having to pay. Even though it's true I'm missing out I prefer not having to worry about paying afterwards.
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Man in Brazil you dont even need game to shore some of these chicks. Hell all you need to do is stand in one spot and they will game you! I had a chick flat out tell me lets go to my apartment. I was like I aint paying for sex and she was like I know. I was like in that case lets roll

You are thinking to much bro. Fuck this game rhetoric. Just work on your confidence and interaction with females. Try to be witty and fun. High confidence and being able to make a grl laugh is most of the battle. Just like with anything else in life you need to practice and get experience. Restricting yourself will do you no favors imo.

Go out and have fun and talk to females. Dont give a fuck, whether thats at some regular club or a whorehouse! Pussy is pussy, dont make it more that what it is. The tightest pussy I ever fucked was in Cartagena in a backroom of a stripclub from this 19 yr old chick from Medellin. Yea I had to pay for that one, but you know what it was on a dead ass wed or thur night and I wasnt getting laid any other way. Fuck the haters, do you player!

[Roosh]

Couldn't help it:

[UrbanNerd]

With a non-pro or even a semi-pro, you will at least engage in conversation that is similar to if you are attempting to date a woman. Therefore, you can state your parameters and expectations during the normal flow of the conversation(s). I know I get my do's/don'ts/wills/wont's into the convo is some slick way. After that, she can decide whether to continue or not.

With a PRO. more than likely, you are NOT doing all that deep of a conversation (if so...why?).

[solo]

Dash,
I'm actually planning to go to Brazil this year or the beginning of next so that certainly sounds good.
By game I'm not just referring to techniques like the neg and stuff like that, Im talking about a change of life(style), thoughts and beliefs, confidence etc. You're right that I need to think less and just get more practice as well as not making pussy more than what it is though. You're actually making some strong points. Then again so is Mixx. But if I could shore a hot girl I think my ego would benefit, as long as I don't pay for it and that payment is the reason for the sex.

[Dash Global]

(06-21-2011 03:52 PM)solo Wrote:  

Dash,
I'm actually planning to go to Brazil this year or the beginning of next so that certainly sounds good.
By game I'm not just referring to techniques like the neg and stuff like that, Im talking about a change of life(style), thoughts and beliefs, confidence etc. You're right that I need to think less and just get more practice as well as not making pussy more than what it is though. You're actually making some strong points. Then again so is Mixx. But if I could shore a hot girl I think my ego would benefit, as long as I don't pay for it and that payment is the reason for the sex.

Brazil was my first real international trip and I was not prepared at all. Didnt do my standard intensive homework, didnt know the language, didnt make any contacts online, nada soo I relied heavily on the p4p scene for fun and entertainment. Never paid for any sex, but I found myself at The Balcony Bar almost every night after 2am drinking and talking to girls. On ur nxt trip I cant stress enough to do your homework. (send off 6 messages to females on couchsurfing, and facebook asking about the best clubs and bars to go to; make a profile on a dating website and have females waiting for you; find out where the strip clubs and p4p spots are on those nights you have nothing better to do or for when you find urself about to go home alone at 3-4am) In closing you shouldnt be looking to avoid p4p spots, they are always on my radar and I atleast check them out on every trip. Never know what you might stumble upon Have fun, be safe, and do YOU.