[Hairz]

Happened to me 2x over the last 2 weeks. Both were meetups which makes it even shittier. I'm new to the whole red pill stuff. Full time beta prior to that. No problem chatting up girls once I get over the approach stuff but dreading the cold approach game.


I'm sitting with this chick, little chit chat. She's complaining about how this guy was hitting on her last time. I made a joke "shit I was gonna do the same" and she laughed. Got her laughing at most of the stuff, not even funny. The turnoff was that she kept on saying how annoying this guy was who asked her for the phone last time. She was maybe 6.5 at most. Anyway I get some light kino going such as patting her on the shoulder when I'm saying stuff or kicking her leg when I'm bit outraged and some flirting as well. I'd say she was sort of interested but not all over me by any means.

So this guy comes around who I met once. He picks up anything that's got pussy tbh. Initially we talk about stuff - he's asking her and she's asking him stuff since they just met. I insert myself here and there and divert the convo once or twice. I go get a drink and the girl takes my place (they got shitty pipes in there and water dropped occasionally where she was sat) but there was still plenty of place to sit. The problem was that now she was sitting beside me, before she was sat at 90 degrees to me and beside him. Anyway I noticed he started gaming her up and while she had 50/50 attention on us he went like 90/10 attention on her.


My question is, what do you do in such a situation when the guy injects himself and while initially friendly then completely ignores you. The girl was initially 50/50 but I noticed she started playing into his game and I just went off to chat other girl up that I saw earlier. I got her number but dunno if anythings gonna come out of that.

2nd case. Same thing except I didn't know the guy and he wasn't actively trying to shut me out of the convo. The girl liked me more than him coz I was probs 2-3 points above him in terms of looks.



So how do you react to that stuff? In meetup situation and in say a night out.

[UroboricForms]

Someone you know trying to cockblock you isn't someone you want around, whatever the level of your friendship. I have/have had "friends" like this and the best thing you can do is cut them out (there's some threads about "bad wingmen" going around which you should check out). Isolate the girl ASAP so nobody has a chance to eat your lunch. There were elements like that inside my current active social group and I've been in the process of removing myself from that situation as much as possible, because frankly its just toxic. If your crew doesn't respect you in that way, that's unacceptable. What's even worse is when you realize you've unwittingly caged yourself in that position and your so called buddies are a bunch of enablers who are quite happy to keep you there. I know I'm going off on a tangent but I think its important. Don't let it get to that stage.

Some guys are able to do the whole high energy peacocking/AMOG thing. I'm not one of them. I do my best work alone. If that's you then learn to embrace it and you'll do much better.

[Hairz]

It was a meetup and both the girls and these guys were a part of them. In a club I know I'd have to shield her off and possibly bounce to another venue but would you use the same method for the meetup? Asuming i wanna bang the girl and not just chatting or flirting.

[blck]

(10-28-2015 09:25 AM)Hairz Wrote:  

The problem was that now she was sitting beside me, before she was sat at 90 degrees to me and beside him. Anyway I noticed he started gaming her up and while she had 50/50 attention on us he went like 90/10 attention on her.

2nd case. Same thing except I didn't know the guy and he wasn't actively trying to shut me out of the convo. The girl liked me more than him coz I was probs 2-3 points above him in terms of looks.

You don't seem to be aggressive, they don't see you as a threat for their safety when stealing your girl.

(10-28-2015 09:56 AM)Hairz Wrote:  

... In a club I know I'd have to shield her off and possibly bounce to another venue...

Dude I'm sure there was plenty of girls in this meetup, WHY keeping this one ?
You should have laugh at him pushing the girl in his arm and tell her "he surely want to marry you... you'll make a great couple..."

[Hairz]

Yeah I sort of got off when I noticed he wasn't backing out and like I mentioned she wasn't great looking and complaining aboutsome guy was a turnoff.

I'm asking more like - if this occurs again and I got some HB and some guy tries to slip his dick in between us. Should I ignore him and chat with her or pick on him and use logic or take the piss out of him?

[evilbuttmunch]

I've been thinking about doing meetups to meet women so I'd be interested in advice for this too. I've seen it posted before on ROK or other blogs so you're probably better off looking for advice on lines to use there. But practically, I can think of a few things off of the top of my head.

You need to put the guy in his place. You're too polite to people being rude to you. Mimic what he did. It worked against you, right? You seemed to say that all he had to do was direct his attention on her and exclude focus on you. Do the same. Cut him out of the conversation, place your back to him, talk about an obscure topic that's personal to you that he has no idea how to talk about. For example, I fucking hate it when you're in a group conversation and someone whips out their phone, shows someone a photo or a joke meme, and then doesn't show you because you have no context for following the conversation. I'm a pretty good artist and I have pics of my drawings on my phone. You were next to her, so you could have easily shown her something like that, and excluded him from the conversation for a short period. If you're awkward about asking a girl for her number in front of someone else, then hand her your phone so she can put the number in without him seeing it. It'll be super awkward for him to ask for her number right after you. And it displays dominance.

If you're at a meetup, and you're working the room this wasn't your only opportunity to get her number. This isn't a date. Ask her for her number within 15 minutes of talking to her, at the height of a story about what you like to do, or at the height of a joke. You don't have to end your convo with asking for her number before moving onto the next girl. It'll either be awkward or it'll seem like you're a player to her as soon as she sees you chatting up the next girl. You want to be natural like this is day game. And lastly, your job isn't to prevent others like this guy from getting her number, because frankly it'd be nearly impossible to do so. Instead, you should be focused on standing out so she'll remember you.

And if you really are cut out from the conversation, then when you excuse yourself to talk to others just say "I had a really fun time talking with you, let me get your number now in case I don't run into you later in the night. I'll let you know the next time I'm going to one of these things." You have nothing to lose by doing so but everything to lose by not trying. Assume the sale. I highly doubt she'd refuse to give you her number, give you a fake number, or not respond when you message her. At worst she'll just be "busy" when you ask her out. And you still have the opportunity to come back to her in the night.

[Hygiene]

This has happened to me in a different way. I have found pulling out my phone and sort of just casually laughing/smiling at something not part of the conversation can work. Usually, the girl would notice and ask what I was laughing at and then I re-initiate from there. This works well if you are actually texting people.

Point being I think aloofness and sort of doing your own thing is probably the best option. I have found after a period of indifference, to the whole set, causes the 'striver male' to be unsure of what I am doing. Also, most guys do not have the conversational skills to keep things going so they usually fizzle out pretty fast.

I'll have to test this out more.

[blck]

(10-28-2015 11:21 AM)evilbuttmunch Wrote:  

If you're at a meetup, and you're working the room this wasn't your only opportunity to get her number. This isn't a date. Ask her for her number within 15 minutes of talking to her[...] Instead, you should be focused on standing out so she'll remember you.

Translate: You're here to socialize, have fun with everyone and getting girls is the last of your problems.

(10-28-2015 11:21 AM)evilbuttmunch Wrote:  

And if you really are cut out from the conversation, then when you excuse yourself to talk to others just say "I had a really fun time talking with you, let me get your number now in case I don't run into you later in the night. I'll let you know the next time I'm going to one of these things."

AKA keep socializing with other people

(10-28-2015 11:02 AM)Hairz Wrote:  

I'm asking more like - if this occurs again and I got some HB and some guy tries to slip his dick in between us. Should I ignore him and chat with her or pick on him and use logic or take the piss out of him?

Guys come in your convo ? Socialize with him, make fun of him and just go get another girl.
The girl was waiting for you to fail and by reacting to the other guy you're failing hard.

(10-28-2015 12:50 PM)Hygiene Wrote:  

Point being I think aloofness and sort of doing your own thing is probably the best option.

Once again, you're there to socialize, have a good time and give her the better time of her week, she'll jump at you to give you her number if she like it.

[Hairz]

Yeah guys thats what I did - I left those 2 and went on to talk to few other people and some more girls. These 2 spent another hour talking to each other and then the guy left - he was obvs there only to pick up a girl.

I didn't really care about this girl in particular. In a meetup scenario I can exactly be using the same tactic to get rid of the guy as I would if it was a girl in a club or bar and he charged in.

[XXL]

1st scenario. You come back with drinks, tell your girl to give you her hands, pull, stand her up, you sit down you sit her down wherever you want her to sit. Preferably away from the guy. Make it fun. When he gets more and more of her attention and is stubborn you cut him off "oh by the way.." and talk to the girl. Now he has to jump in. That's my first guess what to do.

2nd scenario. Same thing. Move your girl away from him and cut him out of convo by starting new topic [the more personal about the girl the better, "by the way, you look like xyz, maybe not exactly like her cause you lack xyz but still kind of like cause you got xyz"].