[DjembaDjemba]

(09-24-2015 08:30 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

What's wrong with interracial marriage or ethnic people voting conservative, or am I just misreading you?

I think it's a good thing. I'm mixed race and usually vote conservative. Within moderation of course, I won't vote for an openly racist party or ideology.

[Cr33pin]

[Grodin]

The reason I care about Europe is because so much of America looks up to them, looks at the European social system and economy as a model that the US should follow. I think part of this is because most Americans come from European heritage and see Europe like a "big brother". Americans have always seen Europeans as more refined, mature societies but in the past that was offset by an American bravado. Those days of bravado are long gone in my opinion, Americans of all political stripes have lost confidence/pride in American values and superiority. Now many, especially those on the left, think we should follow Europe's lead.

So I care about Europe because I think America could end up heading down the same path. I don't think Europe is the utopia many Americans think it is, but that it will take a very noticeable fail for that to be apparent. Its not that important to me that Europe succeeds, nor do I want it to fail, but I'm watching closely so I can decide how to react to the changes that are coming to my own country as it tries to be more like Europe.

[TheWastelander]

I wouldn't worry about the youth. The European and white American youth are being actively told there's no redemption for them by the left, so more and more will be open to neo-masculinity and nationalism. Combine that with shitty economic conditions, mass immigration and possibly an economic collapse and hard times and you've got yourself a powder keg.

http://therightstuff.biz/2015/09/23/chur...salvation/

Quote:

The Church With No Salvation
by Hateful Heretic

Every successful religion offers its adherents a path of salvation that seems attainable to them. Some combination of virtue, participation in sacred rites, and spiritual enlightenment will lead you to eternal bliss, an upgrade in the next round of life, or whatever the religion posits about your destiny.

In the latter half of the 20th century, our civic religion was egalitarianism. If you got accused of the sin of racism, you could atone. And as long as he hired a few token women, paid off the Rainbow/PUSH coalition, engaged in ritual recitation of of "I Have a Dream," or voted Democrat, a heterosexual white male could atone for the original sin of his birth.

The problem is that in the last ten years, the Cathedral has undergone a doctrinal reformation. The old creed, "Race is only skin deep," has been replaced with a new one, "To be white is to be racist." The means of salvation have been taken away, and it is now taught that there is literally no way for a straight, white male to find salvation, to get right with the god of the age, to be restored to respectability.

Why follow a religion that offers no redemption? Why listen to its priests or care about its rites? The cult of equality is losing its grip on white males, because more and more of us are realizing it offers nothing to us whatsoever. Its condemnations mean nothing now. A church with no salvation is a church with no adherents.

[TonySandos]

For the standing record, whites/Europeans are "ethnic people" too. All people have an ethnicity. It's American centric Orwellian-esque to refer to classical victim group ethnicities as the "ethnic people". That's leftism engrained in thought patterns.

Why do I care about Europe?
If Europe falls, so does America. That's irrelevant to if we adopt suicidal social justice policies on immigration as they have or not. The states will have no real allies left when Europe is gone and we'll be in quick succession as a conquered people. With China, Russia and India left as the determining nuclear powers, looking at them culturally, it doesn't look good for mercy maintaining a position in world politics. Look at how each of the most powerful nations outside of Europe operate internally. Include Saudi Arabia, Brazil and Nigeria if you want. All that breathing room smaller nations and minorities in other countries have appreciated from up until now won't likely be present. Americas own fate will lie in a slow ethnic cleansing of blacks and the remaining white by either a joint China/Russia operation or Latino imperialism.

Expecting so little of the future world may be racism or bigoted, by that's my honest opinion. That may make me an ethnocentrist to believe so, but I have to say that our people have the best standing track record of simultaneous success and enlightenment. In full disclosure, my family is mixed since I have a mulatto son. Basically all the possible directions the future is facing right now doesn't provide good chances for our family unit. In one hand, I'll probably be culturally enriched to death by an increasingly brazen black American young male; in another my family may find sanctuary in a place like Argentina or Peru if we play our cards right and get lucky enough; and in yet another we may be forcibly deported or killed if the nationalist forces of the west become extreme enough.

As crazy as it sounds, I still choose a future with a European west regardless of what actually happens. Like I stated earlier, I believe global civility has a better chance of succeeding with Europeans existing, even if it goes extreme for extended time.

[TonySandos]

To add to what I've said;

If anyone wants some semblance of the current multicultural society in America to survive, it's wisest to give your support behind white concerns and the hard right parties springing up, even if you're black. Show white America that possibilities of cohesion exist in the smaller communities other than purposeful counter culture aimed to tear white America down. The American idea doesn't work unless people put their hearts behind it, but it's probably late for that unless something unexpected happens.

[DjembaDjemba]

(09-24-2015 01:02 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  

For the standing record, whites/Europeans are "ethnic people" too. All people have an ethnicity. It's American centric Orwellian-esque to refer to classical victim group ethnicities as the "ethnic people". That's leftism engrained in thought patterns.

Why do I care about Europe?
If Europe falls, so does America. That's irrelevant to if we adopt suicidal social justice policies on immigration as they have or not. The states will have no real allies left when Europe is gone and we'll be in quick succession as a conquered people. With China, Russia and India left as the determining nuclear powers, looking at them culturally, it doesn't look good for mercy maintaining a position in world politics. Look at how each of the most powerful nations outside of Europe operate internally. Include Saudi Arabia, Brazil and Nigeria if you want. All that breathing room smaller nations and minorities in other countries have appreciated from up until now won't likely be present. Americas own fate will lie in a slow ethnic cleansing of blacks and the remaining white by either a joint China/Russia operation or Latino imperialism.

Expecting so little of the future world may be racism or bigoted, by that's my honest opinion. That may make me an ethnocentrist to believe so, but I have to say that our people have the best standing track record of simultaneous success and enlightenment. In full disclosure, my family is mixed since I have a mulatto son. Basically all the possible directions the future is facing right now doesn't provide good chances for our family unit. In one hand, I'll probably be culturally enriched to death by an increasingly brazen black American young male; in another my family may find sanctuary in a place like Argentina or Peru if we play our cards right and get lucky enough; and in yet another we may be forcibly deported or killed if the nationalist forces of the west become extreme enough.

As crazy as it sounds, I still choose a future with a European west regardless of what actually happens. Like I stated earlier, I believe global civility has a better chance of succeeding with Europeans existing, even if it goes extreme for extended time.

If you fear deportation or the murder of you or your family because they are mixed, then you should be squarely against such form of nationalism.

[KorbenDallas]

El Chapo:

Why should you care about Europe? Honestly, if you don't care, then you shouldn't. I care because I lived there for a time, I have European friends and like European women, and want them to not commit cultural suicide.

I don't really care about Africa, except for Ethiopia, because I know some great Ethiopians, so, I hope their country does well.


A lot of blacks becoming conservative in the United States, and its being completely unreported.

Especially black Christians.

[richler]

If, like many on this board, you have what have come to be called "alt-right" or "identitarian" political leanings, Europe is the avant-garde. It's where the thing is being forged.

[britchard]

The thing is that in the generation you're talking about (my generation), you see the actions and words of all of my generation through social media and news reporting.

But the people that have done things or said things that we hate (i.e. liberals, teen sisters supporting their baby brother to dress up like a girl) are not thee kind of people who will be getting in to power. It's not as bad as it seems.

The students in my year at school that will attend oxbridge or russell group universities (UK equivalent of Ivy league) are almost all sensible and conservative. People who do physcology at some crap university don't get in power.

[debeguiled]

This thread is much better if you have this on in the background as you read it:

[The Lizard of Oz]

I think that this superb post by LeBeau from an earlier thread captures the reality of guys from this generation, and how one can talk to them and help them:

(04-13-2014 06:51 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  

I've seen multiple examples of actions similar to the OP's post.

I'm in my 20's and I can't stand most of my generation, but I'm pretty social and make friends easily so it seems to balance out. Girls always tell me I'm blessed to have such a large group that's got my back, and how tight I am with buddies of all ages, so I try to never take that for granted.

Scorpion nailed it per usual, Samseau alluded to the helplessness in terms of the economy, but I think what some people don't focus on is the degree of self-loathing going on.

We sometimes talk about this with feminist women, but guys my age were raised on so many conflicting viewpoints, the first generation completely immersed in a feminized school system, media and society, that there is a large amount of them walking around with unfounded shame and guilt.

They've been taught that all their natural desires are wrong, and that just by virtue of being male, they've been contributing to the world's problems since birth.

You can talk to a 22 year old guy, who will think going after a 19 year old girl immediately equals taking advantage of her, even if she's throwing out tons of signs.

Men who have serious crises of conscience over whether to go full vegan or "only" vegetarian, plainly just accepting that they are part of a horrible disease on nature called "humanity". Ask your parents if any of their classes included "Ecofeminism" under the Political Science banner. So you can see how that throws stuff like hunting right out the window as a right of passage.

By focusing on bullshit in school like moral relativism, ethnocentrism, sexism etc. under the guise of "critical thinking" , you have a whole generation constantly second guessing themselves. The big difference being that women have victim status so they are able to rationalize their actions in ways that men can't.

Men used to be able to look up to other men as leaders, heroes, etc., but now that's only permissible if they pass on various tests of political correctness. Ask the young gen about certain historical figures, some of the first things you'd hear is "but, ____cheated on his wife, _____ believed homosexuality was unnatural, _____ wouldn't hire women, etc." As if this immediately invalidates anything they had ever accomplished.

I had a girl once tell me I was "emotionally abusive" when she realized she was losing an argument where she was clearly in the wrong, and I hadn't done anything towards her except call her on it. There'd be a decent chunk of guys in my generation where that statement would actually prompt some soul-searching, and an immediate beta reversal.

At risk of preaching to the choir, I could continue with many other examples, and explore what I call the "Big 3" ways of coping (Entertainment Media, Porn, and Weed) but let's look at some solutions where people can take action:


- You see a guy out in public, if you get in a casual conversation with him about any of the above and see a glint of interest, have him write down the forum website. I've let guys tag along at bars if I could see they weren't having a good night with the ladies, but told them most of their answers could be found here on the RVF.

- If you have traditional male skills, offer to teach or mentor (i.e. gym spotter, hunting guide, sparring partner)

- Find out what they're passionate about, and see if there's an angle there to explore Red Pill beliefs

- Openly ask them about some of these more private topics. Guys in this generation may walk on eggshells, but once they know they're having a conversation in confidence with a man they can look up to, a lot will come spilling out. Especially since they probably can't talk to their parents about it, and they're wishing their Dad had already taught them years ago.

Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting trying to convert determined Blue Pill and White Knight types. Tuth and others have already done a good job pointing out the flaws in that strategy.

What I'm getting at is that the younger generation isn't always assertive enough to ask for help, they probably feel embarrassed as it is. So reaching out to the odd acquaintance, relative, etc. if you get a glimmer of potential can really turn their life around.

I'll add that what LeBeau says accords with my own observations. I find that many millennial dudes are often very decent, but they tend to be a good deal less happy than young men at their age should be. This is because they have been confused and disheartened from a very early age by an evil, inhuman, and misandrist ideology that is only getting stronger. So as annoyed as I am by some of these dudes at times, I mostly feel bad for them and find their faults excusable and a direct result of this wretched ideological upbringing.

And I completely agree with LeBeau's suggestions of how these young guys can be talked to and sometimes helped. If you get them to open up you will often find that they harbor real doubts about the received ideas that they've been told they must subscribe to, but they are so timid -- because of all the self-loathing that has been instilled in them --that they may never share these doubts with anyone unless given strong and patient encouragement to do so.

[TonySandos]

(09-24-2015 01:50 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

If you fear deportation or the murder of you or your family because they are mixed, then you should be squarely against such form of nationalism.

Then what's the reasonable answer for being the white rhino of America when multiculturalism reaches it's logical conclusion? Identity politics started a chain reaction that won't end until the reaction is explosive. The US has the potential to turn into South Africa and I'd rather choose the nationalism route of these two evils. At least my people survive in that alternative. I'm done either way if political poles swing extreme in either direction.

[rpg]

This bares repeating. Boomers fucked the world the world over. They have been the scourge of earth. Gen X has been fully aware of boomer shit and pilfered through the wreckage to make a living. Millenials are boomer grandkids and they are completely fucked. They believe the boomer utopia lies and will perish in droves. The generation that is capable of saving this civilization lies in the hands of gen X. Hopefully a Moses will come forward. Maybe, maybe not.