[johnfortunebg]

The events of the past few weeks in Europe have got me thinking about what's it like doing pick-up in societies with significantly imbalanced sex ratios. At this point we essentially know that due to the idiocy of European politicians, part of the global south will be allowed to move in and those moving in will skew male to a large extent, moving the current sex ration for the group between 18 and 35 year-olds in Europe from a relatively healthy 1.02-1.04 to possibly 1.10-1.15.
It is inevitable that this skewed macro ratios will somehow change the way we do pick up (not in strategic terms probably, but at least in tactics). I want to understand how and adapt prior to experiencing this myself.

In light of that, I would appreciate if locals of countries with such skewed sex ratios (China, India, Armenia, etc) or regions with such skewed ratios (I'm given to understand that D.C. is such a place) can share some info about that (I'm saying locals because for foreigners it will be a different experience). Educated claims and guesses are welcome as well.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(09-11-2015 05:01 AM)johnfortunebg Wrote:  

The events of the past few weeks in Europe have got me thinking about what's it like doing pick-up in societies with significantly imbalanced sex ratios. At this point we essentially know that due to the idiocy of European politicians, part of the global south will be allowed to move in and those moving in will skew male to a large extent, moving the current sex ration for the group between 18 and 35 year-olds in Europe from a relatively healthy 1.02-1.04 to possibly 1.10-1.15.
It is inevitable that this skewed macro ratios will somehow change the way we do pick up (not in strategic terms probably, but at least in tactics). I want to understand how and adapt prior to experiencing this myself.

In light of that, I would appreciate if locals of countries with such skewed sex ratios (China, India, Armenia, etc) or regions with such skewed ratios (I'm given to understand that D.C. is such a place) can share some info about that (I'm saying locals because for foreigners it will be a different experience). Educated claims and guesses are welcome as well.

But countries such as the UK and the US already have a much more skewed sex ratio of slim to moderately slim women than China. If you consider that only a small percentage of the women in China are fat, then having a surplus of 10%-15% men chasing all of these slim women is still a much less competitive environment for men than having 35% of the women undatable in the Anglosphere because of obesity whilst having an excess of "just" 5% of males. In short, you have to take the supply side of the equation into account and not just the demand side.

[WestIndianArchie]

White economic migrants have pretty much ruined U street in DC.

Where once it was easy to find professional black women or young chicks from Howard, now you gotta push through a bunch of Tom, Dick, and Harrys to maybe get at the one good looking Keisha. Only to find out she's a vanilla lover.

We were already dealing with the Ethiopians who are too good to really mix with the locals. But the European American migrants (looking for work), have come in and basically wrecked the community. It's a train wreck.

There was this bbq spot on Rhode Island avenue. Ribs etc. Now, I think it's a vegetarian spot called Sweet Greens. The nearest bbq spot is now way over on Florida avenue. And get this, it's run by one of them.

Economic refugees. I wish they would have stayed in Wisconsin or Kansas. They seriously could not address their own political and economic issues AT HOME? Land is cheap where they're from. They'd have all the comforts of home.

Spot after spot ruined by these people. It's not even the good kind of white people to be honest. The dudes are all these corny guys still shopping at Brooks Brothers. News Flash, Suit Supply is open. You don't have to look like your dad.

But most of the time it's guys in yacht hats and flip flops. If I see another lacrosse team shirt, or overhear some fucker talking about crew. (Bitch you ain't got no real crew..)

And the chicks, they're the God damned worst. You'd think with all that yogurt and stuff they eat they'd develop a little bit of a body. Of course not.

10% are beanpole skinny, looking like teenage boys, and 90% are built like sticks of butter, 100% fat.

Now don't get me wrong, horrible bodies are common with the sisters, but not the good looking ones. That was what you could find on U street, in abundance. Not any longer.

But worse is their attitudes. I'm at the local supermarket (Giant at Waterfront) trying to grab some shrimp. Some Caitlyn is front of me taking her sweet ass time trying to decide what to get. She opts for the salmon.

Then she asks the minimum wage employee behind the counter if he can debone the fish fillet for her.

THEY DO IT FOR ME EVERYWHERE ELSE

Broad lying through her teeth. This sense of entitlement isn't just with the chicks, the dudes are just as bad.

They all think that money is some universal currency. That it can buy them anything. You'd swear it was their God. But most of them are God less. You rarely see a cross on em. And the neighborhood churches can't replace the displaced faithful with these effective atheists. It's not that they ain't spiritual, I see the yoga mats every where. I doubt that they do it for spiritual enlightenment. And by the size of most of these bitches, it ain't for the exercise either.

It's not just DC. These people ruined a lot of other places.

I've lived in West Indian neighborhoods in BK, (Bed-Stuy formerly Do or Die). It was a place very similar to the one I grew up in, Flatbush. 2012, I shit you not, but an East Indian restaurant opened in a West Indian neighborhood. It was to cater to -those- people.

I moved back to Austin for a few months on a job. Austin used to be cool. Those people knew their place. They stayed west of the highway where it counted. They might venture over in the daytime, but when the sun went down they knew not to be over on the East Side.

Now, there are nationally acclaimed restaurants where you could once buy good tacos. The few good taco spots left are fetishized by these people. You can't even get into a lot these places anymore, Chad and Madison are instagramming their entire meal.

Seriously, in DC there was a place for these people. Cathedral heights, Glover Park, Bethesda. They didn't have to invade the real city, but once again the local government in its infinite wisdom colluded with wealthy developers and corporations to destroy real communities. If it were up to me, I'd corral all of em in Georgetown. Keep them off the trains, especially during the rush.

They come into your area and just take over. Make you feel bad for just living. They pollute the local culture. Gatherings that you used to have, they get shut down because of noise complaints.

Cops on foot. To make them feel safe. You know that's a bad sign, cause ask they're gonna do is patrol and find some shit to get into. Hassling folks when ain't nobody paying them any attention in the first place.

Government bends over backwards for these economic migrants. Businesses change to accommodate them. Businesses that serve the original community get displaced, or they start carrying shit like quinoa.

That's what happens when you get these people over in your neck of the woods.

Just in terms of game,

- In general their chicks stay with their men. If you want to go that route of course you can pick off a few that have some ass or something, or get really crazy and try out some of the size twos. But then you'll have to deal with their attitudes. Good for a bang, but would you really want to be seen with one of them out on the town?

- The dudes mate guard like a mug. White knights is what the community calls it. They do it to reach other to.

- The dudes are usually just herbs. No style, can't dance, convinced that their way is the best. They almost always roll 4-5 deep. They'll bump into you, scuff a sneaker, and pretend to apologize.

- They'll get drunk and want to fight. Where I'm at, if one of their teams wins or loses, a God damned riot might break out. I've seen footage of them destroying neighborhoods over surfing contests, pumpkin festivals. To be honest, you never know what's gonna set them off.

You'd think they'd organize if the cops killed one of em..You'd be wrong. They let that shit happen in their own communities all the time. Look up the stats, on pure numbers white cops kill more white people than anyone else. Apparently white lives don't matter.

But they will organize a snow ball fight with a quickness. I personally attribute that to their genetic heritage. Also their tendency to keep an office at sub zero temperatures. I digress.

In terms of night game, some of them might try and get into your spots. Poorly dressed, either in flip flops, or wearing new balance when everyone else has the cultural understanding to at least wear Jordans.

They can't dance, but will take up a lot of dance floor space by going spastic, or just drinking. They're way more tolerable when drunk, but be careful as the Viking might come out.

On the street game tip, they pretend to not speak the language or they don't get the culture and don't communicate. You'll find this out if they move next door to you. The hood where everyone knew each other becomes a bunch of strangers living next to one another. You'd think it was you, but they barely talk to each other. They don't acknowledge each other, unless it's in some very superficial way.

With day game, it's helpful to have a dog, BUT they treat animals like human babies. It's unreal.

Even online game is affected when they infest your local area. Suddenly you start getting matched with wildebeests and oldies. The few that have.redeeming qualities like ass, are usually so low in self esteem that they outright reject genuine offers. I hear that the those women even do that to their own men.

As for your own women, a few stragglers might approach, but it's not so much competition than its being crowded out of a place that you used to be able to be yourself.

You'll be on guard all the time.

That's just the DC perspective.

Also, not all of them are bad. Some of them are even my friends. They just need to change for the dominant culture or just go back to where they come from.

WIA

[NewMeta]

Game won't change but the lack of options will decrease your success. So by that logic, worse ratio's is just another factor to slow down your success, potentially more competition which potentially means more taken women. Ratio's are important, but they are just one of many other factors that come into play in regards to dateable, attractive women. Some other ones of note are:

-Age, specifically 18-29 and to a more specific extent the 18-21 bracket. A woman is old for a lot longer than she is young, so only so many girls will be prime for so long, while no matter how old the man we will still lean towards the younger bracket. A 21 year old man is in reality competing for the same pussy as men as far as their 50's (if these said men are doing well for themselves, albeit few they still exist).

-Obesity, self explanatory, no one wants to fuck an ogre.

-Lesbians / Bisexuals, to further fuck up ratios some women are completely exempt from the dating market to us because they are dating other women. Even if this is just a phase, it ties into the whole age thing, if her phase lasts 18-21, then thats another prime pussy wasted.

-Smaller factors like personal preferences, race, feminists (who the fucks touching those), height differences etc...

[TripleG]

WestIndianArchie and Meta are both right. Here's an example from last night: I went out to watch the start of NFL season at a local bar and met up my buddy who just got into a new relationship with a DC girl and was braggin' to me about how cool and hot his girl was. His girl was about 5-8", 170 pounds (fat) and even though she had a pretty face she also had DD cup breasts (not in a good way). She's about 9 years younger than him (good for him) but already a divorcee at 29 years old. From what I can gather she's been in many relationships and attended one of the big party schools in Arizona...(rode the cock carousel I bet)
My buddy is a lawyer making close to $200k, living in a 4 bedroom house (by himself) and driving a new car. He also looks allright. The whole time he is talkin' about her I am thinking to myself "buddy, have you ever been to EE?"..."your girl wouldn't even be able to get a light from the local dude's"

In cities where there is a ratio imbalance, like DC, guys start to date down and women are on a short fuse, all it takes is for you to annoy her and you'll be placed in the dog house. Even good sex won't help you as even 5's get hit on every day here. An average guy with intermediate game here has to work twice as hard as any European city. The flake rates are high, and when meeting women unless you can "sweep them off their feet" they will constantly try to haphazardly schedule you into their Outlook calendars.

Game will always help but if a beginner player can get a 7 in Kiev, then in DC an intermediate player struggles to get and hold on to a 6.5
The economic immigrants that WestIndianArchie mentioned do not help us locals at all and ruin the ratios everywhere as vast majority of them are male

[Rang off the Pipe]

What WIA said could also apply to New York, but unlike DC there are also migrant Europeans and more people with a lot of money. Most spots are seemingly overflowed with dudes and girls mainly seem to be disinterested in guys. I'm almost convinced day game is the way to go, even if that's not exactly a cakewalk either.

[thirty-six]

(09-11-2015 08:48 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Now, there are nationally acclaimed restaurants where you could once buy good tacos. The few good taco spots left are fetishized by these people. You can't even get into a lot these places anymore, Chad and Madison are instagramming their entire meal.

And then the gourmet foodie "hipster taco" places start popping up. GTFO of here with that!

[johnnycage]

Any guy in the US should know how bad the ratios are. Even fat women have like 100 options at any given time. The US economy will never improve until the ratio gets addressed. When there aren't enough available attractive women or the average guy cannot find a wife he's attracted due to sheer numbers, there's little incentive to work.

For some reason, in the US this isn't discussed, it's far easier to say women have trouble finding quality men, then the entire belief system that "there are more women". This is only true because of the senior citizen population. I did see on CNN recently a famous psychologist discussing the random shootings that are becoming commonplace in the US, and how there could be a correlation to the ratios plus lack of legalized prostitution.

If Trump wants to win, all he has to do is implement a female-only immigration program. Of course, he's just a pawn like the rest. He won't.

[Merenguero]

(09-11-2015 08:48 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

White economic migrants have pretty much ruined U street in DC.

Where once it was easy to find professional black women or young chicks from Howard, now you gotta push through a bunch of Tom, Dick, and Harrys to maybe get at the one good looking Keisha. Only to find out she's a vanilla lover.

We were already dealing with the Ethiopians who are too good to really mix with the locals. But the European American migrants (looking for work), have come in and basically wrecked the community. It's a train wreck.

There was this bbq spot on Rhode Island avenue. Ribs etc. Now, I think it's a vegetarian spot called Sweet Greens. The nearest bbq spot is now way over on Florida avenue. And get this, it's run by one of them.

Economic refugees. I wish they would have stayed in Wisconsin or Kansas. They seriously could not address their own political and economic issues AT HOME? Land is cheap where they're from. They'd have all the comforts of home.

Spot after spot ruined by these people. It's not even the good kind of white people to be honest. The dudes are all these corny guys still shopping at Brooks Brothers. News Flash, Suit Supply is open. You don't have to look like your dad.

But most of the time it's guys in yacht hats and flip flops. If I see another lacrosse team shirt, or overhear some fucker talking about crew. (Bitch you ain't got no real crew..)

And the chicks, they're the God damned worst. You'd think with all that yogurt and stuff they eat they'd develop a little bit of a body. Of course not.

10% are beanpole skinny, looking like teenage boys, and 90% are built like sticks of butter, 100% fat.

Now don't get me wrong, horrible bodies are common with the sisters, but not the good looking ones. That was what you could find on U street, in abundance. Not any longer.

But worse is their attitudes. I'm at the local supermarket (Giant at Waterfront) trying to grab some shrimp. Some Caitlyn is front of me taking her sweet ass time trying to decide what to get. She opts for the salmon.

Then she asks the minimum wage employee behind the counter if he can debone the fish fillet for her.

THEY DO IT FOR ME EVERYWHERE ELSE

Broad lying through her teeth. This sense of entitlement isn't just with the chicks, the dudes are just as bad.

They all think that money is some universal currency. That it can buy them anything. You'd swear it was their God. But most of them are God less. You rarely see a cross on em. And the neighborhood churches can't replace the displaced faithful with these effective atheists. It's not that they ain't spiritual, I see the yoga mats every where. I doubt that they do it for spiritual enlightenment. And by the size of most of these bitches, it ain't for the exercise either.

It's not just DC. These people ruined a lot of other places.

I've lived in West Indian neighborhoods in BK, (Bed-Stuy formerly Do or Die). It was a place very similar to the one I grew up in, Flatbush. 2012, I shit you not, but an East Indian restaurant opened in a West Indian neighborhood. It was to cater to -those- people.

I moved back to Austin for a few months on a job. Austin used to be cool. Those people knew their place. They stayed west of the highway where it counted. They might venture over in the daytime, but when the sun went down they knew not to be over on the East Side.

Now, there are nationally acclaimed restaurants where you could once buy good tacos. The few good taco spots left are fetishized by these people. You can't even get into a lot these places anymore, Chad and Madison are instagramming their entire meal.

Seriously, in DC there was a place for these people. Cathedral heights, Glover Park, Bethesda. They didn't have to invade the real city, but once again the local government in its infinite wisdom colluded with wealthy developers and corporations to destroy real communities. If it were up to me, I'd corral all of em in Georgetown. Keep them off the trains, especially during the rush.

They come into your area and just take over. Make you feel bad for just living. They pollute the local culture. Gatherings that you used to have, they get shut down because of noise complaints.

Cops on foot. To make them feel safe. You know that's a bad sign, cause ask they're gonna do is patrol and find some shit to get into. Hassling folks when ain't nobody paying them any attention in the first place.

Government bends over backwards for these economic migrants. Businesses change to accommodate them. Businesses that serve the original community get displaced, or they start carrying shit like quinoa.

That's what happens when you get these people over in your neck of the woods.

Just in terms of game,

- In general their chicks stay with their men. If you want to go that route of course you can pick off a few that have some ass or something, or get really crazy and try out some of the size twos. But then you'll have to deal with their attitudes. Good for a bang, but would you really want to be seen with one of them out on the town?

- The dudes mate guard like a mug. White knights is what the community calls it. They do it to reach other to.

- The dudes are usually just herbs. No style, can't dance, convinced that their way is the best. They almost always roll 4-5 deep. They'll bump into you, scuff a sneaker, and pretend to apologize.

- They'll get drunk and want to fight. Where I'm at, if one of their teams wins or loses, a God damned riot might break out. I've seen footage of them destroying neighborhoods over surfing contests, pumpkin festivals. To be honest, you never know what's gonna set them off.

You'd think they'd organize if the cops killed one of em..You'd be wrong. They let that shit happen in their own communities all the time. Look up the stats, on pure numbers white cops kill more white people than anyone else. Apparently white lives don't matter.

But they will organize a snow ball fight with a quickness. I personally attribute that to their genetic heritage. Also their tendency to keep an office at sub zero temperatures. I digress.

In terms of night game, some of them might try and get into your spots. Poorly dressed, either in flip flops, or wearing new balance when everyone else has the cultural understanding to at least wear Jordans.

They can't dance, but will take up a lot of dance floor space by going spastic, or just drinking. They're way more tolerable when drunk, but be careful as the Viking might come out.

On the street game tip, they pretend to not speak the language or they don't get the culture and don't communicate. You'll find this out if they move next door to you. The hood where everyone knew each other becomes a bunch of strangers living next to one another. You'd think it was you, but they barely talk to each other. They don't acknowledge each other, unless it's in some very superficial way.

With day game, it's helpful to have a dog, BUT they treat animals like human babies. It's unreal.

Even online game is affected when they infest your local area. Suddenly you start getting matched with wildebeests and oldies. The few that have.redeeming qualities like ass, are usually so low in self esteem that they outright reject genuine offers. I hear that the those women even do that to their own men.

As for your own women, a few stragglers might approach, but it's not so much competition than its being crowded out of a place that you used to be able to be yourself.

You'll be on guard all the time.

That's just the DC perspective.

Also, not all of them are bad. Some of them are even my friends. They just need to change for the dominant culture or just go back to where they come from.

WIA

Good post, but I think you're missing something here. You're talking about the reverse white flight making D.C. worse for meeting black girls. What about black flight, black people leaving D.C. for the suburbs, notably P.G. County. Take a trip to Mitchellville or somewhere out there and you may see what you've been missing.

Edit: WIA, all I can tell you is this. For Latin girls, try Langley Park. You can definitely meet some in D.C., but for whatever reason the quantity, quality, and girls' attitudes seem to be worse there. For black girls, try P.G. For white girls, try Baltimore, Montgomery Mall in Bethesda, and I have some other strategies that I don't want to post. There is no holy grail with regard to white girls in this area. That Brixton place where we had the meetup a while back also looked good. Hanging around places like U Street can be counterproductive, especially with all the changes that this are has undergone in recent years. Virginia may be the worst of all and I completely avoid it. If Clarendon is the best place for nightgame, that whole state is in serious trouble.

[Merenguero]

(09-12-2015 04:54 AM)thirty-six Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 08:48 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Now, there are nationally acclaimed restaurants where you could once buy good tacos. The few good taco spots left are fetishized by these people. You can't even get into a lot these places anymore, Chad and Madison are instagramming their entire meal.

And then the gourmet foodie "hipster taco" places start popping up. GTFO of here with that!

Yeah, I was going to post about that. I was in the actual D.C. city limits for an event a few months ago. As I'm walking down the street, some obviously gay guy for some reason starts telling me about this place two blocks away that has great tacos that I can't pass up. I start thinking, "Maybe there's some great Mexican place that for some reason has opened up here. I think I'll check it out." I got there and they only took credit cards. I've never seen any kind of business anywhere like that. I ordered some steak tacos that were no better than Baja Fresh or Chipoltle. Nevertheless, the place was completely packed. If guarantee you that if I opened up a real New Jersey pizza place or started selling real cheesesteaks one block from that taco place, it wouldn't last six months. Bollockses would be like "It's not Jerry's" or "It's too expensive."

[azulsombra]

(09-12-2015 06:56 PM)johnnycage Wrote:  

Any guy in the US should know how bad the ratios are. Even fat women have like 100 options at any given time. The US economy will never improve until the ratio gets addressed. When there aren't enough available attractive women or the average guy cannot find a wife he's attracted due to sheer numbers, there's little incentive to work.

For some reason, in the US this isn't discussed, it's far easier to say women have trouble finding quality men, then the entire belief system that "there are more women". This is only true because of the senior citizen population. I did see on CNN recently a famous psychologist discussing the random shootings that are becoming commonplace in the US, and how there could be a correlation to the ratios plus lack of legalized prostitution.

If Trump wants to win, all he has to do is implement a female-only immigration program. Of course, he's just a pawn like the rest. He won't.

You do realize that due to disenfranchisement of felons, higher ratios of females among the elderly and general male apathy with the political process that females make up the majority of voters by a significant majority.

Therefore politicians rarely, if ever pay attention to male priorities. They kiss the ass of women and families because that's who votes. Nobody is doing anything for single males, we must do for self. If Trump tried to do anything that would unapologetically benefit males he would lose the female vote. Good luck winning in America if you piss off the wimminz.

[XII]

Some dude recently wrote a book on this subject, going into the numbers to find out which cities favor men or women: Date-onomics http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkb...ind-dates/



Going by interviews the data bears out:
Bad cities for men: Seattle, Silicon Valley, San Francisco, Denver
Good cities for men: Portland, New York (2 college-educated men for every 3 college-educated women, gtg moving there immediately), Houston

My own experiences seem to be in accord with the author's findings. SF blows, Portland was awesome. I have used the same approach with the same look in both cities; what gets sneered at in SF will get a "Haha. What's your name?" in Portland.

[Cheetah]

Meanwhile in Europe.

[johnnycage]

(09-13-2015 12:47 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 06:56 PM)johnnycage Wrote:  

Any guy in the US should know how bad the ratios are. Even fat women have like 100 options at any given time. The US economy will never improve until the ratio gets addressed. When there aren't enough available attractive women or the average guy cannot find a wife he's attracted due to sheer numbers, there's little incentive to work.

For some reason, in the US this isn't discussed, it's far easier to say women have trouble finding quality men, then the entire belief system that "there are more women". This is only true because of the senior citizen population. I did see on CNN recently a famous psychologist discussing the random shootings that are becoming commonplace in the US, and how there could be a correlation to the ratios plus lack of legalized prostitution.

If Trump wants to win, all he has to do is implement a female-only immigration program. Of course, he's just a pawn like the rest. He won't.

You do realize that due to disenfranchisement of felons, higher ratios of females among the elderly and general male apathy with the political process that females make up the majority of voters by a significant majority.

Therefore politicians rarely, if ever pay attention to male priorities. They kiss the ass of women and families because that's who votes. Nobody is doing anything for single males, we must do for self. If Trump tried to do anything that would unapologetically benefit males he would lose the female vote. Good luck winning in America if you piss off the wimminz.

The whole Trump fascination is making me think the red-pill community isn't nearly as red-pill as most would like to believe so. It's obvious that politics is essentially theater for the masses. Voting on some level is real, but they can do whatever they want with the vote.

Even Roissy has fallen for Trump, hook, line, & sinker.

[Sagittarian]

I am more worried that I would be confused with a refugee when visiting Europe!