[georgec]

I think it's a legitimate dream to want to travel to a place that is good solely for the women even if I have no cultural interest in the place - it's quite interesting that I'm getting flak here for wanting to do that. For a moment I almost felt like I was on a feminist forum. It might be an unrealizable dream, but it's a legitimate dream.

Holligan Harry, you see, you just wrote a post that pretty much suggests that you don't need game in Ukraine and the women are easier because there is a serious shortage of guys, which gives most guys the impression I had before I went to Ukraine. You pretty much slag me for having a particular impression and then help perpetuate that impression. It was pretty much hearing guys like you talk that created my impression of Ukraine.

Now of course everything is relative - no doubt, compared to some parts of America and Europe, women really are easier and you really do need less game, so what you say is not strictly false, it can just be misleading to people who come from different parts. But compared to many places both in the West and in the world at large Ukraine is no easier or better, and coming from New York and having been all over the world, I have been misled by talk such as yours about the Ukraine. Not your fault because based on where you've been, and you're experiences, you might well be right.

It's the old problem of objectivity, and I see no clear way around it, which is why I'm coming to the unhappy conclusion that you simply can't trust what others say about women and other countries, not because they're lying, but because they generalize based on their own experiences, which is an intellectual no-no, because things are relative to where you've been and people have been to different places, and because people have a tendency to let their egos color their judgment of quality.

[georgec]

Just to clarify my remarks about what Harry said, yes, you do say you need to know Russian and have a base in the Ukraine for the advantages you specify to materialize, but my reactions from English speaking girls suggest that isn't quite true, and in the end, like I said, it's not better or easier than NYC or many other places. So no paradise - just one more place where you have to make an effort to get what you can get elsewhere as well. Not bad, but nothing special.

[K-man]

Maybe you are just the type of guy NYC girls dig, but Ukrainian girls don't. For me it's the opposite - I have definitely banged more Ukrainian girls than NYC girls, in fact I don't think I've banged any NYC girls at all. I've been there several times but they did not give me the time of day - it is just so crowded and the male competition so varied that I found it hard to reach a hook point with any woman. They were always looking for the bigger better alpha, I guess...

So just stick to what works best for you. It's like in business - don't go pushing your product down some market's throat just becuase you think it's great; find out what that market digs and provide it to them, that's how you get rich.
Your goods apparently have higher market value in the US than in EE.

[Vicious]

(06-20-2011 01:09 AM)georgec Wrote:  

Just to clarify my remarks about what Harry said, yes, you do say you need to know Russian and have a base in the Ukraine for the advantages you specify to materialize, but my reactions from English speaking girls suggest that isn't quite true, and in the end, like I said, it's not better or easier than NYC or many other places.

How can you deduce that it "isn't true" that you'd need Russian from reactions with English speaking girls?

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So no paradise - just one more place where you have to make an effort to get what you can get elsewhere as well. Not bad, but nothing special.

Seriously...

[georgec]

(06-20-2011 02:05 AM)K-man Wrote:  

Maybe you are just the type of guy NYC girls dig, but Ukrainian girls don't. For me it's the opposite - I have definitely banged more Ukrainian girls than NYC girls, in fact I don't think I've banged any NYC girls at all. I've been there several times but they did not give me the time of day - it is just so crowded and the male competition so varied that I found it hard to reach a hook point with any woman. They were always looking for the bigger better alpha, I guess...

So just stick to what works best for you. It's like in business - don't go pushing your product down some market's throat just becuase you think it's great; find out what that market digs and provide it to them, that's how you get rich.
Your goods apparently have higher market value in the US than in EE.

Nah, the girls dug me in Ukraine, they just didn't dig my foreigner status. But you touch upon an excellent point - one guys experience in a particular place can differ so radically from another guys that it makes a forum like this almost pointless, yet I want to believe a forum like this has value. It's a real conundrum.

@vicious - With the girls who spoke English, language wasn't a factor. Foreignness was. So there are countries where the people are into themselves, but will open up to you if you make strenuous efforts to become one of them. Great. If these countries have incredible girls or culture to offer, not found elsewhere, might be worth it. Since Ukraine ain't that, it ain't worth it.

In any event I'm in Poland now and this place is much more my speed. I get less eye contact from the girls and less attention, but the girls are much cuter, and seem much more open to English speakers. I might well be willing to work for these girls, although I doubt I'll have to. I don't think I realized how much I disliked the Ukrainian look until I left, there is just something alien and off-putting about it. There are much more fatties in Poland but much more genuinely pretty girls with good, soft skin and delicate feminine features - yay! I hadn't realized Slavdom differed so much in physical type and appearance. Polish girls also dress with much better style. Ukrainian girls have the tall, thin, model type look and dress with glamor and pizazz, but they simply are not good looking. Well, to each his own so I shouldn't go on about that - everyone's tastes are different.

Girls in Poland seem more energetic, open, and upbeat too. Energy level in Ukraine was simply too low for me. An adorable Polish girl in the street I was eyeing just came over and spoke to me in Polish, when I said I spoke only English and began to walk away (assuming like in the Ukraine the encounter was terminated), she smiled, motioned for me to stay, and switched to English (she wanted a light for her cigarette). We had a nice little chat. I think I'm gonna like this place!!!

[Entropy4]

Yeah man, I hate it when all the girls look like models...

[georgec]

(06-20-2011 07:38 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

Yeah man, I hate it when all the girls look like models...

They have tall, thin bodies and dress "glam". If that is enough to make a girl pretty for you, you will LOVE Ukraine. If you require of your women genuinely good features, good glowing skin, and sexy figures (not just tall, thin, and lanky, but well proportioned), Ukraine will fail to impress. But if all you want is to get the model "type", even if she fails on the details, my God you will be in the candy store in Ukraine. To each his own.

Besides, I thought models were selected to appeal to gay notions of prepubescent male beauty

[Vicious]

georgec:

You ask for advice and when given quality feedback from several sources you shrug it off and hot back calling this a "feminist" forum stating that you shouldn't have to make an effort to get what you want. Then you go on to pass off model looks, something most guys here and everywhere desire in women, as "gay".

You're not doing yourself any favors.

[Vickers]

(06-20-2011 08:46 AM)georgec Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 07:38 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

Yeah man, I hate it when all the girls look like models...

They have tall, thin bodies and dress "glam". If that is enough to make a girl pretty for you, you will LOVE Ukraine. If you require of your women genuinely good features, good glowing skin, and sexy figures (not just tall, thin, and lanky, but well proportioned), Ukraine will fail to impress. But if all you want is to get the model "type", even if she fails on the details, my God you will be in the candy store in Ukraine. To each his own.

Besides, I thought models were selected to appeal to gay notions of prepubescent male beauty

What kind of details do you think of in general?

I think you're striving after girls who don't exist.
There's not such thing as perfect beauty,and if a girl has little,"cute" flaws it makes her more desirable in one kind of way as if she would be nothing but a doll.

That's my opinion.

[Gringo]

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think it's a legitimate dream to want to travel to a place that is good solely for the women even if I have no cultural interest in the place

A dream that clearly leads to dissapointment. So next time why not go to a place that interests you AND has women your desire. Or are you simply not interested in anything but women?

As for the model look. Depends on the type of model, most fashion models I don't find that attractive. Pale, too thin, too tall, no shape, wacky haircuts, no shape, tits or ass. Doesn't do it for me.

[georgec]

@vicious. I didn't ask for advice and I definitely didn't ask for authoritative pronouncements. I wanted an intelligent discussion with a variety of viewpoints. I sort of got that, but in the last analysis I can't accept what some people here say. Nothing wrong with that.

@vickers. I did include what details I mean. Pretty face, good skin, and good body proportions. Ukrainian girls fail on all counts, for reasons that models often fail on those counts. See Gringo's descriptions of models right below and you will get a perfect a description of Ukrainian girls. I agree, cute flaws can enhance sexiness.

@Gringo. I'm not ready to give up on that dream yet. I've been disappointed in the Ukraine, but the world is large. I travel all over for cultural/adventure reasons - been to India four times and its one of my fav countries, but no would go there for the girls - but I also travel to find great girl situations. The Ukraine was so built up by so many people that I thought if one place would be a great girl situation, that would be Ukraine. I have been chastened and sobered by the experience - the most disappointing thing was not the lack of receptivity, but just how unattractive the girls were. I had a hard time believing it.

Your description of fashion models above and why you don't like them is a perfect description of Ukrainian girls - could not have said it better myself. Imagine an entire country of such girls - they all look like they are from another planet, really alien - and you will understand my disappointment.

[Entropy4]

So the guy gets rejected half a dozen times in a country where he hasn't even bothered to learn about the culture or language, and suddenly comes to the following conclusions:

1) Ukrainian women are bitches and only interested in themselves.
2) This forum is unreliable and so are the people posting.
3) Girls who look like models aren't that hot anyway.

And then in Poland, some girl approaches him, speaks English, and suddenly all is right with the world... There aren't enough emoticons on this board to demonstrate the size and scope of the eye rolling that I'm doing right now.

[Vickers]

(06-20-2011 02:01 PM)georgec Wrote:  

@vicious. I didn't ask for advice and I definitely didn't ask for authoritative pronouncements. I wanted an intelligent discussion with a variety of viewpoints. I sort of got that, but in the last analysis I can't accept what some people here say. Nothing wrong with that.

@vickers. I did include what details I mean. Pretty face, good skin, and good body proportions. Ukrainian girls fail on all counts, for reasons that models often fail on those counts. See Gringo's descriptions of models right below and you will get a perfect a description of Ukrainian girls. I agree, cute flaws can enhance sexiness.

@Gringo. I'm not ready to give up on that dream yet. I've been disappointed in the Ukraine, but the world is large. I travel all over for cultural/adventure reasons - been to India four times and its one of my fav countries, but no would go there for the girls - but I also travel to find great girl situations. The Ukraine was so built up by so many people that I thought if one place would be a great girl situation, that would be Ukraine. I have been chastened and sobered by the experience - the most disappointing thing was not the lack of receptivity, but just how unattractive the girls were. I had a hard time believing it.

Your description of fashion models above and why you don't like them is a perfect description of Ukrainian girls - could not have said it better myself. Imagine an entire country of such girls - they all look like they are from another planet, really alien - and you will understand my disappointment.

Don't forget one thing:there are more kind of models in the scene so i think it would be a mistake to generalize:

-The HIGH fashion models,which have that kinda "iffy",scary or alien-type of look you mentiond.Which aren't really that eye candy to side your thoughts.

-Then you got the photo models you see in average commercial adds.These are all those kind of girls who might have cute flaws but are still attractive.

-And you've also got the successfull top-earning Victoria's Secret girls which represent the wet dreams of most men on earth and are considered as the epithomy of beauty.

Need to check but i cant believe that girls there are THAT underwhelming,i heard too much good things about them.Maybe you should vary your game somehow to turn the tide...

Good Luck,

[Giovonny]

(06-20-2011 02:03 PM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

So the guy gets rejected half a dozen times in a country where he hasn't even bothered to learn about the culture or language, and suddenly comes to the following conclusions:

1) Ukrainian women are bitches and only interested in themselves.
2) This forum is unreliable and so are the people posting.
3) Girls who look like models aren't that hot anyway.

And then in Poland, some girl approaches him, speaks English, and suddenly all is right with the world... There aren't enough emoticons on this board to demonstrate the size and scope of the eye rolling that I'm doing right now.

Ha!

Is it time to do some Roosh Forum "Memes"?

like...

"Guy gets rejected on his first 6 approaches.....All the girls in this country are bitches"

"Guy has no Game....Women are evil"

"Guy gets blown out by a model....Models are not hot anyways"

"Guy shores 3 hookers in the 3rd world......My Game is top notch"

"Guy writes on Roosh Forum that he got a new flag......he paid 100 dollars for it"

"Guy goes on vacation and doesn't get laid.....Roosh Forum sucks"

[iknowexactly]

(06-20-2011 01:05 AM)georgec Wrote:  

I think it's a legitimate dream to want to travel to a place that is good solely for the women even if I have no cultural interest in the place - it's quite interesting that I'm getting flak here for wanting to do that.

I support George here in his postings, even if you feel he miscalculated some strategies or valuation he WENT THERE and took the trouble to report back that he wasn't happy with the way it was going.

That's FREE INFO we can all use-- to at worst not make the mistakes he [supposedly] did. I see his point when he says (I think) he has a certain amount of effort he's willing to make, and if that doesn't work he might as well stay home.

That seems like an honest appraisal whether you would want to take that approach or not.

About "9's and 10's are always hard"-- I think the strategy of travel is that one might want to go somewhere where the women of the type you really like are fairly common-- not really seen as 9/10's in that culture.
Then their value is lower there but it's what you like so you can [hopefully] get them!!

[Roosh]

(06-20-2011 02:03 PM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

So the guy gets rejected half a dozen times in a country where he hasn't even bothered to learn about the culture or language, and suddenly comes to the following conclusions:

1) Ukrainian women are bitches and only interested in themselves.
2) This forum is unreliable and so are the people posting.
3) Girls who look like models aren't that hot anyway.

And then in Poland, some girl approaches him, speaks English, and suddenly all is right with the world... There aren't enough emoticons on this board to demonstrate the size and scope of the eye rolling that I'm doing right now.

George doesn't seem like a bad guy, but his attitude needs adjusting.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(06-16-2011 01:09 PM)georgec Wrote:  

(06-16-2011 12:32 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

It looks like you're hoping that girls are wowed by your foreign status. You've mentioned this both here and on my blog. Many guys have gone down the road to failure with this strategy.

If this is not your strategy, please share exactly what game you're using. Where are you approaching? How many approaches a night? Day or night game? What is the attractiveness of your targets? Exactly how many interactions have ended solely because a girl found out you were a foreigner?

I admit I expected Ukrainian girls to be impressed by my foreigner status, as I heard that from Ukrainian guys in London, but I never thought that would be sufficient and I wasn't relying on that as my sole strategy. Expecting it, yes, but certainly not relying on it.

I've only been to a few places in the city, so it can simply be a matter of the venues. I don't know for sure yet. I found out the places I went to are frequented by professional upper class types, so that might have something to do with it.

I'm approaching in clubs. I'm approaching 7's and 8's. My strategy is merely to dress well and act with confidence throughout the encounter (lead, don't tolerate disrespect, etc), which has always worked for me. About 4 of the girls I approached, say, last night, I did so only after eye contact and smiles, and it was pretty obvious they were very into me. One girl flashed me a huge smiles several times while I was on the dance floor and moved in my direction, I grabbed her hand and started dancing with her, fairly close. She was totally into it, then after a few minutes of this she leans in and starts talking to me in Ukrainian, I respond in English. She leaves immediately. Another three girls I approached after eye contact and smiles, with clear interest expressed. Spoke in English, they lost interest.

I approached another 3 girls who showed me no interest at all, 2 simply said they spoke no English and walked away, and one I spoke to for about 10 minutes. She was actually kind of into me, but when I told her I did not live in Kiev, she walked away to rejoin her friends. She was the girl who later returned to me when she thought I had Kievian friends, and left again when she saw I did not.

Oh, another girls I danced with a bit, she was into it, smiles and starts talking to me low in Ukrainian, I respond in English, she says she just wants to dance and moves away.

2 other girls hit on me in Ukrainian, walked away when they heard English.

That's about 9 girls in about 6 hours. My buddy had his own encounters during the night, but they went nowhere.

Not quite sure what to make of all this, but that's how it's been going for me. I get a ton of attention from the girls, more than I do in almost any other city, but it goes nowhere.

Regardless of the ultimate outcome, I would still like to give kudos to your tenacity and courage under fire! The fact that you're continuing to approach, even after quite a bit of rejection shows a lot of heart, of which you will eventualy be rewarded!

[bluewater7]

I understand what George is saying. And its good to get out there and try. Listen, he's not a bad guy for saying = bottom line these girls aren't worth it for being MORE of a pain in the ass than girls back home. And many guys think, like me when I was searching now for Ukraine.. hmmm... where can I bang HOT girls with less effort.. hmmm.. Ukraine?

And so the verdict is - probably not.

Now if you make a fucking partial career out of it by learning Russian, Ukranian, all this other shit I have no time for currently, LIE to them and say you're starting a business there, form a circle of friends, etc. - it sounds like you can be swimming in pussy... but guess what, if we do that in the US - we can be as well.

So, to me, this is great information. My best friend that is a girl is Russian, from Russia. And to me, most Russian girls - or Ukranian girls - I've met I'd describe as a bit cold and detached. They don't smile.

A lot of Russians are in Miami Beach (Sunny Isles). Met quite few.

But, I do agree - they do seem hot. I like tall and hot. And the hottest girl I have been out with in my life is from Russia, on a contract with a tier 1 modeling agency in Miami... and I've dated Miss Universe contestants, and some other whacky bitches that were hot, etc. So I do agree they are hot - judging by the absolute highest standards. Which is why I came looking for this thread. And then I just am replying because I think he's catching shit for being honest.

But its good info to me that this dude is like hey I'm a good looking guy and I went to the Ukraine and they don't really give a fuck. I like that.

In fact, I would say although pussy may seem "easier" in parts of Asia, it was kind of like that too. I got more looks in south beach, with much hotter girls, then parts of Asia... even though it was indeed "easier" to bang. I mean its not THAT much easier (except the Philippines where there is online, on-demand pussy) to make it worth it.

So I also agree with you guys saying don't go somewhere just to fuck, but a lot of guys are on here looking to do just that. Where can I go to fuck easily? That's a primary question on most dudes' minds. And I think you're giving him too much shit. The dude spent $2-3k probably for this info, I don't think its worth giving him shit for it.

Hey, BTW I like GAY female models. And I don't care if gay dudes like them too. But, I like them gay/bisexual if possible. So if any of you Russian / Ukranian players has extras, hook a mother fucker up.

I'm going to say something really "controversial" here as I've been quite a few places and analyzed a lot of pussy... a lot of places around the world actually make the US, Miami in particular, look GREAT in terms of girls - which I thought was impossible. For people saying American girls are bitches, not nice, etc. - I don't know.. I'm not overly impressed in a lot of these places around the world. Yet, I end up looking - I am curious. But I actually think America may be the BEST place in the world for pussy. Imagine that. LOL. All shades, heights, cultural capital of the world.. hot chicks from everywhere end up going there.. I don't know.. just a thought. A lot of these girls in other places want money up front like in a beggar sort of fashion... they're not that hot and... well.. I think all girls can be a pain in the ass... but there are some nice girls in the US.. especially in the South. And you have every ethnicity in the US too.

The idea that these Asian / EE bitches are "nice and caring" it didn't occur to me. They seemed overly concerned about primary needs and more like.. um.. actual hookers (even though they weren't).. and sort of nice after you "bought them". LOL. At least in the US I don't have to pay for a fucking taxi, meal, and cell phone calls to find out if I LIKE a bitch. In fact, I like making bitches pay for dinner and impress me. That is unheard of in many places in the world, and I don't think the US should catch as much shit as it does because of factors like this.

Its like Mixx said about Colombian girls in another thread:

"A buddy of mine was telling me about another dilemma over money with a Colombian woman. She's broke and in financial need, and he is not. There is always something that she needs and asks for money for. This is so common with these women.

I need women with some financial stability in life with their own money. Tired of these broke-ass, aimless Colombian women waiting for novio to Western Union desperately needed money sob stories.

I once told a girl "Have I ever asked you for a loan?" she replied "No", then why should I always have to "loan" you money? Because you give me sex? Pleeeeease!!


She was schocked at how broke this diwn for her. No matter, there are enough beta providers fir her to move on. It won't end. "

[Vicious]

(06-23-2011 02:40 AM)bluewater7 Wrote:  

I'm going to say something really "controversial" here as I've been quite a few places and analyzed a lot of pussy... a lot of places around the world actually make the US, Miami in particular, look GREAT in terms of girls - which I thought was impossible. For people saying American girls are bitches, not nice, etc. - I don't know.. I'm not overly impressed in a lot of these places around the world. Yet, I end up looking - I am curious. But I actually think America may be the BEST place in the world for pussy. Imagine that. LOL. All shades, heights, cultural capital of the world.. hot chicks from everywhere end up going there.. I don't know.. just a thought. A lot of these girls in other places want money up front like in a beggar sort of fashion... they're not that hot and... well.. I think all girls can be a pain in the ass... but there are some nice girls in the US.. especially in the South. And you have every ethnicity in the US too.

Well this would certainly not seem to be the consensus of this forum. While I have never had any problems with American women I can understand the gripes some people have with their sense of entitlement - and why they would rather deal with a girl from a culture that does not carry the same hypocrisies with regar dto sex.

One thing though, the US is the cultural capital of the world? For a nation not even 250 years old that's a pretty bold statement.

[bluewater7]

This is the same kind of stuff you said in my Miami Beach forum until about 3 dudes told you it WAS pretty much the consensus. =)

I don't care if its not the consensus in the forum, the fact of the matter is that, at least in many places noted for their ass (Brazil, Argentina, Asia, EE)... girls are NOT that easy necessarily, game IS required and you can't just SHOW UP and fuck hot girls - like many guys would hope... UNLESS you pay, etc. etc.

In the US it is indeed easier in many cases and it IS diverse for sure with girls from all over the world in various cities - and among the hottest from all over the world as well.

The US exports movies and TV programs to every country. I'm in Colombia watching E! right now.

[Entropy4]

I'm in Odessa, Ukraine right now. The girls in the clubs here are a full 1-2 points higher on average than any American city as far as looks go. Saw possibly the hottest girl I've seen all year last night (approached her but she didn't speak English). The ratio so far has been 60/40 girls to guys.

Most of them don't speak English. But the ones who do are friendly. I've had no problems so far like George described. Danced most of last night with some girls from Kiev, interestingly enough. Have a date with a girl I met online tonight. No lay yet.

Don't know about you guys, but this is why I pick up in other countries. Higher effort. Higher reward. If you don't like putting in extra effort, that's fine. But don't kid yourselves and say that girls back home are just as hot or just as high quality. They're not. I see a lot of rationalizing and excuses all over the place in this thread. Look, approaching 10-15 girls a night just to find one who speaks good English sucks. I get it. And I totally get why most guys would not consider that a fun way to spend a vacation. But just be honest about it and don't blame the country or the girls.

The way I see it is that there are two reasons to travel and pick up girls: easier lays, and higher quality lays. But 99% of the time, they don't happen at the same time. You can go to the Phillippines or Peru and get a bunch of very easy lays with mediocre girls, or you can go somewhere like Ukraine or Argentina and scrap every fucking night for some of the hottest girls you'll ever meet. Pick your poison.

Just don't delude yourselves and say the US or UK has a decent selection. If the girls are so great back home (and btw, they're not), what are you doing racking up hundreds of posts on a pick up travel forum?

[bluewater7]

Go to Miami Beach. But anyway, I do wish you luck in Odessa and am happy to hear any news. My impression of Ukraine are cold, materialistic bitches. I've heard that from them here, in the US, about themselves. LOL. But, I'd love it to be bumping and I hope you pull the tops of your life - for real.

[Entropy4]

Dude, you go out in a place that has the coldest and most materialistic girls on the planet.

My experience in E. Europe is that the whole "cold" thing is undeserved. It's a cultural misunderstanding. People take longer to open up out here, it's normal to show less emotions to people you don't know, but it doesn't mean they don't like you. It took me a couple weeks in Russia to figure that out. I run into almost no bitch shields out here... it's the language barrier that's the issue.

[Hooligan Harry]

Which is why I say. A very simple basic would be to hit chicks up online and make sure you are only chasing english speakers.

I agree with you regarding this nonsense about them being cold. Russians and Eastern Europeans are some of the most hospitable people you will come across once you spend a little bit of time with them. They are genuine.

Oh well. Im of the belief if you cant come right in the Ukraine, you are going to struggle in most places.

[Vicious]

(06-23-2011 03:33 AM)bluewater7 Wrote:  

This is the same kind of stuff you said in my Miami Beach forum until about 3 dudes told you it WAS pretty much the consensus.

I looked again and I don't see it. I see people agreeing on South Beach having seriously hot women. I look at the top 30 threads in this forum and I see people putting down American women in every second thread. Don't tell me you can't see that? The very reason this is a "game" forum with a travel section is a pretty good indicator.

Do I like American women? Oh yes. Does South Beach have some of the hottest women in the US? Quite possibly, it's up there with Manhattan (my favorite place in the world). But to say South Beach women are the best looking in the world? That's a preposterous statement. I've been to 35+ countries and I wouldn't dream of pointing to a single geographic location as having the most beautiful women in the world. It's too much of an absolute statement for something that is impossible to genuinely verify. And from my viewpoint American women are just as much prostitutes as the nationalities you mention. Every time I go out drinking with an American girl she expects me to pay. If we went out to dinner that would be the same case.

Your response to this seems to constantly tell people about the superiority of Miami. I'm sure it's a great place once you got it locked down and I can tell from the passion in your posts that you are obviously doing well for yourself. But take Mixx on the other hand who's in the top tier of the clientele here. He's ejecting himself from Miami in order to live a life of pink abundance in ND. When ND's beating out Miami that's telling me something...

I have all the respect in the world for the fact that you can make it happen in Miami which most other people here shun, you should make a data sheet or something about why that is.

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The US exports movies and TV programs to every country. I'm in Colombia watching E! right now.

Entertainment, not culture. Culture is something that is social - like G's observation about Spanish women shunning texting when out and about.