[Traktor]

The SAA has also been making lightening gains in the south of Syria.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016...ses-daraa/

Quote:

BEIRUT (AP) — The Syrian Army on Friday retook a strategic town on the doorstep of Daraa, a contested southern city that lies between Damascus and the Jordan border, according to activists and the Syrian state news agency.

The conquest of the town of Atman opens up several supply routes to Daraa, which is divided between government and opposition fighters, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported. The Observatory, which relies on a network of activists inside the country, said government troops and allied militias advanced under cover of airstrikes and heavy artillery bombardment.

[Anabasis to Desta]

Interesting first person footage of Russia dropping justice on the moderate beheaders.

[UncleSam]

Western Media is now complaining about new refugees from the Aleppo area coming to turkey. Of course it's Putins fault, like always. I've seen the following picture quite a few times now:



Would you welcome these guys into your country?

[Foolsgo1d]

Yeah, here is the real deal.

The refugees have fighters in their ranks and you can easily spot 2 at the front of that image above ^

Those who are fleeing now are Sunni's who fear they're going to get whats coming to them after what they did to the Shia Muslims and Christians. The Russians, Hezbollah and Syrian army are not full of Sunni's like the pro-Islamist crowd are surprisingly and I wouldn't put it past them to kill any Sunni they get their hands on.

I anticipate the western media to portray this as some sort of massacre carried out under the nose of Russian forces.

Once again real reporting has yet to surface here. Why the fuck are all of these civilians able to run from Aleppo now and not before? Why do they choose the time when a mass of military force is bearing down on them and then scream to be let into Turkey, didn't these people want to leave before? Why not? Were they hoping the fall of Assad would come as a result of the Sunni terrorists entities they were living with for the past 4 years?

I'm pretty sure Turkey doesn't want to let them in because they know full well there are a few hundred hardcore Islamist fighters in that crowd.

[The Truth]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that the Western intelligence agencies have recently taken a step back from actually arming and training the rebels to mostly observing. Hence the rapid gains by the Syrian Army and the Russians. What could be the reasons for this?

Maybe as one of the preconditions to the Iran deal?

Maybe they recognize that it was a futile effort from the start? They have spent so much time in there but have not actually gotten as good of results as they'd hoped for. Plus I've seen a large number of common people openly questioning the official narrative that the rebels we're funding are the "good guys".

Or maybe they have decided to allow the Syrian Army and Russia to capture Aleppo, in order to potentially negotiate a partition of the country along roughly an East/West Sunni?Shia line?

[Foolsgo1d]

You're underestimating Russian capabilities. They're running hundreds of sorties a week and blowing shit up, not to mention the ground war they are currently fighting.

These terrorists were being supplied by Turkey but now that has been compromised, the western backing has collapsed and the majority of their fighters are falling back, dying or being captured.

They are fighting an enemy whose sole aim is to annihilate them, not restrained to some Human Rights law. This is how wars are usually fought.

[8ball]

(02-09-2016 10:33 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

You're underestimating Russian capabilities. They're running hundreds of sorties a week and blowing shit up, not to mention the ground war they are currently fighting.

These terrorists were being supplied by Turkey but now that has been compromised, the western backing has collapsed and the majority of their fighters are falling back, dying or being captured.

Logistics, training and some arms is come through and by Turkey however the real money is coming from Saudi Arabia. The CIA has a deal with the Saudis, they provide 2-3 billion$ and the CIA is in charge of distributing the arms so that they don't get in the hands of ISIS, which they often do since these "moderates" keep defecting to Isis. Now some have defected to Assad but not as much as you would like.

Its a really fucked up situation because the Kurds in Syria are now supported by the Russians and since that incident with turkey(which was preconceived by Putin) Russia will finance the Kurds wherever they are from now on. The border region with turkey is controlled almost entirely by kurds and ISIS with a tine strip of land controlled by "rebels." Now that tine strip has been cutoff and hezbollah/assad are pusshing north, how are the weapons going to get in to the rest of the "rebels." They will have no choice but to defect to ISIS or Assad. Hezbollah also will have a ton more money since Iran's sanctions are gone.

Turkey now has to make a decision weather to go all in and invade syria, but they have to make it now. It was though that they have till the end of the Year to make that decision however with these Government gains, they might need to decide by the summer before its too late. That strip of land in control of the "rebels" will be engulfed by the Kurds and Assad, Turkey will have to go through ISIS land as the perfect pretext for invading Syria.

Also Israel has had a change of strategy over the years since they have started to support an independent Kurdistan(IRAQ) infuriating the Turks. I bet they are probably supporting the Syrain Kurds however its tough to prove since if they did, it would be leaked all over the papers by CIA and MI6. The CIA and MI6 have hacked all Israeli drones and they see what the Israelis see. Also i am betting if the CIA and MI6 is able to do that, the Russians most likely have the same capabilities to do that as well.

[YossariansRight]

(02-09-2016 10:33 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

You're underestimating Russian capabilities. They're running hundreds of sorties a week and blowing shit up, not to mention the ground war they are currently fighting.

These terrorists were being supplied by Turkey but now that has been compromised, the western backing has collapsed and the majority of their fighters are falling back, dying or being captured.

They are fighting an enemy whose sole aim is to annihilate them, not restrained to some Human Rights law. This is how wars are usually fought.

Add "climate change" to the mix. Obama obviously wants the U.S. military to be as ineffective as possible.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016...climate-c/

[roberto]

^ Brit MOD has been cucking about climate change for years. I think it was Jeremy Clarkson, remarking upon the latest generation engine of the CHallenger main battle tank, who said 'There's depleted uranium coming out the front, but at least the engine's clean'

[JacksonRev]

(02-09-2016 11:29 AM)8ball Wrote:  

Also Israel has had a change of strategy over the years since they have started to support an independent Kurdistan(IRAQ) infuriating the Turks. I bet they are probably supporting the Syrain Kurds however its tough to prove since if they did, it would be leaked all over the papers by CIA and MI6. The CIA and MI6 have hacked all Israeli drones and they see what the Israelis see. Also i am betting if the CIA and MI6 is able to do that, the Russians most likely have the same capabilities to do that as well.

Most drone feeds are not secure. They were designed to track haji, not civilized countries.

[Foolsgo1d]

Syrian rebels demand US President put more pressure to halt Russian and Syrian forces.

Reuters

Holy shit, these people truly are master trolls.

Quote:

Opposition spokesman Salim al-Muslat said Obama could stop the Russian attacks, although he did not spell out how.

"If he is willing to save our children it is really the time now to say 'no' to these strikes in Syria," he told Reuters.

So you stayed in an area controlled by moderate beheaders, an area that was not safe in the first year of this war and your children have yet to be moved?

Quote:

"It's clear to everyone now that Russia really doesn't want a negotiated solution but for Assad to win," said the diplomatic source, speaking on condition of anonymity.

A senior adviser to Assad, Bouthaina Shaaban, told Reuters in Damascus on Tuesday that there would be no let-up in the army advance, which aimed to recapture the city of Aleppo from rebels and secure Syria's border with Turkey.

Asked how soon a ceasefire could be put in place, a Russian diplomat who declined to be identified said: "Maybe March, I think so." The Washington Post said Moscow had sent a letter to Washington this week proposing to stop its bombing on March 1, allowing it to continue for another three weeks.

The pin finally drops; The Russians are here to wipe you out and there is sweet fuck all anyone can do about it. Further more your precious Sunni terrorist entities are being hit for 6, all of the rapid gains and world wide support from broken westerners has been all for nothing.

They're dead, dying captured or fled to Europe. Your bolt holes have been buried, your little compounds annihilated and whatever leadership you had has no idea how to counter the planes, tanks and pissed off locals. You cannot hide amongst civilians because they're running too.

The Russians quote "maybe March" as a cease of hostilities. March would possibly come on the back of no major terrorist activity in a good chunk of Syria. I would be very surprised if any entity exists that could take a village by that time.


Last but not least, there is this bit;

Quote:

Saudi Arabia's King Salman plans to visit Moscow in mid-March, Russia's RIA news agency said, a meeting that would bring together the main sponsors of the opposing sides. Riyadh said on Tuesday it was willing to commit special forces to Syria should a U.S.-led coalition deploy ground troops against Islamic State.

Saudi-backed rebels said they would go to Munich but would only go to U.N. peace talks in Geneva later this month if Russia stopped bombarding their positions and humanitarian aid reached civilians in the areas they control.

I won't go into this because it lays out exactly what we're dealing with here. Saudi sponsored terrorism on a secular state and humanitarian aid to help their besieged murderers.

When the Germans were given a chance to surrender by the Red Army as their failed attempt to grab Stalingrad failed, they declined on the orders of Hitler and were suitably defeated with most of them dying as prisoners of war.

I hope history repeats itself.

[Irenicus]

Obama cant even tell his wife what to do.

Not to mention Putin.

[Requiem]

(02-08-2016 07:31 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

The refugees have fighters in their ranks and you can easily spot 2 at the front of that image above ^

Too easy. But let's not judge a book by its cover! After all, we're all just humid beans!

[Big Nilla]

It seems things are about to get extra serious really fast due to Turkey and Saudi Arabia's insane stupidity... and the US leading from behind.

[Disco_Volante]

Congrats to everyone who owns physical gold. With the markets closed Monday, Tuesday will be a huge fucking panic. Unfortunately my money is tied up

[Big Nilla]

WTF?!?!
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201603...rawal.html

Quote:

Putin Orders Start of Withdrawal From Syria Starting Tuesday

Russian President Vladimir Putin has confirmed that Moscow will begin withdrawal of Russian forces from Syria.

On Monday, President Putin indicated that the Kremlin will start withdrawing its main forces in Syria, saying that the military has largely achieved its objectives.

"I think that the task that was assigned to the Ministry of Defense and the armed forces as a whole has achieved its goal, and so I order the defense minister to start tomorrow withdrawing the main part of our military factions from the Syrian Arab Republic," President Putin said during a meeting with the Russian Defense and Foreign Ministries, according to RIA Novosti.

The withdrawal will begin on Tuesday.

"With the participation of the Russian military…the Syrian armed forces and patriotic Syrian forces have been able to achieve a fundamental turnaround in the fight against international terrorism and have taken the initiative in almost all respects," the Russian president said.

"There has been a significant turning point in the fight against terrorism," Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said.

Putin expressed hope that this decision will encourage all parties involved in the Syrian conflict to pursue a peaceful resolution.

"I ask the ministry of foreign affairs to intensify the participation of the Russian Federation in the organization of the peace process towards a solution to the Syrian crisis," Putin said.

Moscow will, however, maintain a military presence in Syria, and a deadline for complete withdrawal has not yet been announced. Putin also indicated that Russian forces will remain at the port of Tartus and Hmeymim airbase in Latakia.

According to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Russia has informed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad of the decision. A statement from Assad's office stresses that the Kremlin has nonetheless pledged to continue its support for Syria in "confronting terrorism."

During the phone call, both Assad and Putin agreed that the ceasefire has led to significant reduction in bloodshed, and the humanitarian situation has improved.

"The sides expressed shared opinion that the implementation of the ceasefire in Syria has helped to sharply reduce the bloodshed and to improve the humanitarian situation in the country," the Kremlin press service said in a statement.

Assad also expressed hope that peace talks in Geneva will lead to concrete results, and stressed the need for a political process in Syria.

Earlier on Monday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Moscow's anti-terrorist air campaign created the conditions for political process on Syrian reconciliation.

[Mekorig]

Quote:

Putin orders start of Russian military withdrawal from Syria, says ‘objectives achieved’

Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu to start the withdrawal of forces from Syria starting Tuesday. Russia will however keep a military presence at the port of Tartous and at the Khmeimim airbase.
“I consider the objectives that have been set for the Defense Ministry to be generally accomplished. That is why I order to start withdrawal of the main part of our military group from the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic starting from tomorrow,” Putin said on Monday during a meeting with Shoigu and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

To control the observation of ceasefire agreements in the region, Moscow will keep its Khmeimim airbase in Latakia province and a base at the port of Tartous, Putin said.

At Moscow's initiative, a phone conversation between Vladimir Putin and Syria's President Bashar Assad was held on Monday evening, the Kremlin reported.

https://www.rt.com/news/335554-putin-ord...ithdrawal/

Something is not right. possible big pressure from the US? Do not know what to think about this.

Dupe, did not saw your post Nilla.

[kamoz]

My thoughts exactly.

[The Truth]

(03-14-2016 01:20 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

WTF?!?!
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201603...rawal.html

Quote:

Putin Orders Start of Withdrawal From Syria Starting Tuesday

I believe that the Syria ceasefire deal signed by the US and Russia (so many people know by now that it is a proxy war that they aren't even making it a secret anymore) had to include some major benefits for Russia. These benefits were most likely "under the table" and not publicized by the media. My guess is that they were mainly economical, such as some sanctions relief. Otherwise, why would Russia even bother signing? Russia achieved its goal, in my opinion. Which was to use its military power to ratchet up pressure on the West's plans so much that the West had to agree to some concessions. The "Putin - chess player" analogy has been made here many times. This is yet another good example of it.

So, I'm guessing that one of the conditions must involve Russia de-militarizing Syria, to some extent at least.

It's a good thing that the majority of the fighting in Syria has stopped. But I wonder as to what the West's plans for the future are.

-Wait it out and watch as Syria is unable to recover economically and starts the civil war again?

-Continue the funding of terrorists and weapons through Turkey?

-Focus on ISIS first and establish control over ISIS held territory to effectively take over half of Syria?

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

This is unexpected, but A) he didn't say he'd completely withdraw, it's just some general mention without exact numbers, and B) I am not getting the impression that he was bullied or anything. It's probably part of some larger plan...

[Anabasis to Desta]

This is not good. I too suspect it has to do with that snake John Kerry and US pressure because I see no good reason to suspend this campaign.

There is no domestic opposition to the war in Russia. It's also not costing them anything. Russia is funding the whole Syria intervention with it's regular training and practice budget. Not a penny more.

I hope they atleast leave Assad their Mi-24's. Maybe a couple of tactical bombers as well.

[kaotic]

Big news, surprised, but there had to of been a deal being cut on the back channels.

Maybe we'll have ISIS getting some ground back.

[Big Nilla]

Yeah, with our limited information we just have to watch and see how things play out before criticizing what appears to be a perplexing move. It obviously doesn't help Assad, though, if Russia reduces or stops bombing IS and Nustra.

Regardless, Islamic State and Nustra still control wide swaths of Syria which means Russia is announcing this before it achieved its objective of destroying and routing terrorists from Syria. So in that sense this is illogical even if this is some sort of ploy. Maybe Russia found out the US/Turkey were going to escalate and this is Russia's way to prevent that from happening.

This is the 3rd time (2 times in Ukraine) that Russia essentially prevents its side from routing the enemies. You know the US side goes for total military victory and/or complete destruction.

[Requiem]

A little premature in my opinion.

Either Putin was bought by the US
or he doesn't want ISIS to get completely destroyed to have some kind of pivot
or his intelligence has gathered that ISIS has lost most funding and thus Assad will be able to take care of it

If ISIS starts gaining ground again and he doesn't bring all forces back to Syria, my respect for him will be gone. I'm aware that Russia is no welfare organization but I'm sure he got some kind of compensation from Assad in terms of trade agreements or other relations. Plus it doesn't cost much so now that he's been going at it for so long he might as well just finish the job.

He's most likely aware that if he lets Syria fall in the hands of the Zionists, Russia's fate will turn darker too, so I can hope and expect that he knows what he's doing.

[Laner]

How likely would the current US elections play into Putins reasoning?

If escalation by the US was in fact a real possibility, could this stop a Trump presidency?