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The great powers didn't protect the Jews - Pope
06-28-2015, 11:35 AM
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"The great powers had photographs of the railway routes that the trains took to the concentration camps, like Auschwitz, to kill the Jews, and also the Christians, and also the Roma, also the homosexuals," Francis said, citing the death camp in Poland. "Tell me, why didn't they bomb" those railroad
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Pope Francis was sharply critical of the global arms industry in a speech at the Vatican this week, telling thousands of children in Rome that weapons manufacturers are money-hungry opponents of peace.
According to the Italian news agency AGI, the Pope said:
Some powerful people make their living with the production of arms and sell them to one country for them to use against another country … It’s the industry of death, the greed that harms us all, the desire to have more money.
I think this pope is nuts or an egomaniac.
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The great powers didn't protect the Jews - Pope
06-28-2015, 11:36 AM
Why doesn't he ask an aerial bombing expert? Sounds like the pope has just discovered "clickbaiting".
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06-28-2015, 12:23 PM
Maybe they couldn't have stopped the Holocaust, but that doesn't excuse them for turning away the boats of Jewish refugees at the shore. Most were forced to head back and wound up being murdered by the Nazis.
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06-28-2015, 12:24 PM
By blaming someone for Holocaust, assistance or indifference to Nazis this foolish Pope is accepting the Zionist frame - the paradigm of the enmies of Church.
If church ever awakes from its current dagraded state of blind churchinity thay will have to daclare Francis an Antipope.
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06-28-2015, 12:25 PM
I look forward to the day that everyone who was alive during that time is dead so we can start to finally move on from all of this.
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06-28-2015, 12:26 PM
To a point. I'd have liked his comments a lot better if he took it a step further and pointed out that the Catholic church and the Vatican did more to help jews than Britain and Russia ever did.
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06-28-2015, 01:04 PM
The emotional appeal of "they should've bombed the death camps/the railroads" is very, very strong. That's why it keeps getting repeated.
In reality, though, bombing the death camps would've been an absolute disaster. People don't generally realize how inaccurate WWII style bombing was (putting it within 500 ft of the target was considered good, 100 ft was exceptional), nor do they realize that the Germans were excellent at repairing railroads. The RAF and USAAF bombed the hell out of the German railroads, and they were largely repaired within days, if not hours.
Yes, the Catholic Church did far, far more to aid the Jews than any of the Western Allies did.
As for what the Western Allies knew, by 1943, they were aware that the Jews (and others) were being rounded up and systematically exterminated. They were not aware of how widespread it was, nor were they aware of the huge amount of effort the Nazis were putting into doing so. They realized that the best thing to do was win the war as quickly as possible, hence things like Market Garden. Bombing rail lines and death camps was (as they realized) a waste of time. It simply wouldn't do anything.
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06-28-2015, 01:34 PM
Why didn't God get involved in stopping the genocide of his chosen people?
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06-28-2015, 01:38 PM
Quote: (06-28-2015 11:35 AM)Dusty Wrote:
Quote: (06-28-2015 11:32 AM)Horus Wrote:
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"The great powers had photographs of the railway routes that the trains took to the concentration camps, like Auschwitz, to kill the Jews, and also the Christians, and also the Roma, also the homosexuals," Francis said, citing the death camp in Poland. "Tell me, why didn't they bomb" those railroad
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Pope Francis was sharply critical of the global arms industry in a speech at the Vatican this week, telling thousands of children in Rome that weapons manufacturers are money-hungry opponents of peace.
According to the Italian news agency AGI, the Pope said:
Some powerful people make their living with the production of arms and sell them to one country for them to use against another country … It’s the industry of death, the greed that harms us all, the desire to have more money.
I think this pope is nuts or an egomaniac.
This pope is the "Red Pope" - a Communist SJW. He fucking sucks.
And I say this as someone that was raised Catholic.
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06-28-2015, 02:18 PM
Quote: (06-28-2015 01:48 PM)Lizard King Wrote:
The Roman Catholic Church was in the pocket of Nazi Germany. I'm surprised you are not aware of that as your previous posts indicate an above average knowledge of history.
"Nazi Germany had the blessing of the Vatican" - Christopher Hitchens. source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RSjvQYdVTQ
It's documented elsewhere if anyone wants to research it.
I think the current Pope is trying to garner support and credibility with these statements. In which case he is showing a strong awareness of how things work today and how credibility is built in today's culture.
Hitchens' knowledge of history was a joke. God is not Great is a compendium of historical errors and ranting against religion.
The Catholic Church wasn't in the pocket of Nazi Germany, and the Nazis actually devoted some time and effort to persecuting the Church. The Reichskonkordat was designed to protect the Catholic Church's rights in Nazi Germany. The Nazis ignored the Reichkonkordat pretty soon after it was signed.
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06-28-2015, 04:25 PM
Best answer I can give to that is to research some of the "facts" Christopher Hitchens uses. They're misleading at best.
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06-28-2015, 04:28 PM
I think that the important takeaway to note here is that World War II is still an important event and being used by the elites in power on a daily basis. It's not surprising that a Marxist pope would understand this. Most of what we know about World War II was propaganda generated by the allies to set them up in power for the indefinite future. Note that every time the anglo establishment wants to destroy a country they use the manufactured image of an evil "Hitler". Saddam is Hitler. We have to remove him from power. Molosevic is Hitler. We need to bomb Belgrade. I believe that World War II has even set up the ideology that now makes gay marriage possible. People who question the narrative are put in prison. Make no mistake about it. World War II and the "Good War" myth is not irrelevant. It lives with us every day.
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06-28-2015, 04:32 PM
I'm pretty sure a lot of escaped Nazis were carrying Vatican-issued passports. That's a pretty mixed message as far as condemning Nazism is concerned.
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The great powers didn't protect the Jews - Pope
06-28-2015, 04:36 PM
Because there is no God. There is only the hive mind of the social group that you belong to. The Jews never really belong to the greater social group of where they choose to live in the world. They are always a minority group that gains great power and wealth without actually assimilating into their local mainstream culture. And yeah that's gonna piss some people off.
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