[Horus]

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Pope Francis on Sunday denounced what he calls the "great powers" of the world for failing to act when there was intelligence indicating Jews, Christians, homosexuals and others were being transported to death camps in Europe during World War II.

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"The great powers had photographs of the railway routes that the trains took to the concentration camps, like Auschwitz, to kill the Jews, and also the Christians, and also the Roma, also the homosexuals," Francis said, citing the death camp in Poland. "Tell me, why didn't they bomb" those railroad

As far as I know, British and American intelligence, didn't know the extent of the genocide.

And even if they did, it simply wasn't possible to precision bomb railways using 1943 technology.

Russia, Britain, the Empire and America defeated the Nazis, one of the greatest accomplishments in Western history. How are the crimes of the Nazis suddenly the crime of the countries who fought against them?

Does this man not understand the gargantuan effort it took for the combined forces to win the war? The Holocaust was a tragedy, but it wasn't only Jewish live that were sacrificed during the war.

[Dusty]

(06-28-2015 11:32 AM)Horus Wrote:  

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"The great powers had photographs of the railway routes that the trains took to the concentration camps, like Auschwitz, to kill the Jews, and also the Christians, and also the Roma, also the homosexuals," Francis said, citing the death camp in Poland. "Tell me, why didn't they bomb" those railroad

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Pope Francis was sharply critical of the global arms industry in a speech at the Vatican this week, telling thousands of children in Rome that weapons manufacturers are money-hungry opponents of peace.

According to the Italian news agency AGI, the Pope said:

Some powerful people make their living with the production of arms and sell them to one country for them to use against another country … It’s the industry of death, the greed that harms us all, the desire to have more money.

I think this pope is nuts or an egomaniac.

[Phoenix]

Why doesn't he ask an aerial bombing expert? Sounds like the pope has just discovered "clickbaiting".

[Peregrine]

Maybe they couldn't have stopped the Holocaust, but that doesn't excuse them for turning away the boats of Jewish refugees at the shore. Most were forced to head back and wound up being murdered by the Nazis.

[Mage]

By blaming someone for Holocaust, assistance or indifference to Nazis this foolish Pope is accepting the Zionist frame - the paradigm of the enmies of Church.

If church ever awakes from its current dagraded state of blind churchinity thay will have to daclare Francis an Antipope.

[The Beast1]

I look forward to the day that everyone who was alive during that time is dead so we can start to finally move on from all of this.

[Easy_C]

To a point. I'd have liked his comments a lot better if he took it a step further and pointed out that the Catholic church and the Vatican did more to help jews than Britain and Russia ever did.

[Truth Teller]

The emotional appeal of "they should've bombed the death camps/the railroads" is very, very strong. That's why it keeps getting repeated.

In reality, though, bombing the death camps would've been an absolute disaster. People don't generally realize how inaccurate WWII style bombing was (putting it within 500 ft of the target was considered good, 100 ft was exceptional), nor do they realize that the Germans were excellent at repairing railroads. The RAF and USAAF bombed the hell out of the German railroads, and they were largely repaired within days, if not hours.

Yes, the Catholic Church did far, far more to aid the Jews than any of the Western Allies did.

As for what the Western Allies knew, by 1943, they were aware that the Jews (and others) were being rounded up and systematically exterminated. They were not aware of how widespread it was, nor were they aware of the huge amount of effort the Nazis were putting into doing so. They realized that the best thing to do was win the war as quickly as possible, hence things like Market Garden. Bombing rail lines and death camps was (as they realized) a waste of time. It simply wouldn't do anything.

[Game_Started]

Why didn't God get involved in stopping the genocide of his chosen people?

[YossariansRight]

(06-28-2015 11:35 AM)Dusty Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 11:32 AM)Horus Wrote:  

Link.

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"The great powers had photographs of the railway routes that the trains took to the concentration camps, like Auschwitz, to kill the Jews, and also the Christians, and also the Roma, also the homosexuals," Francis said, citing the death camp in Poland. "Tell me, why didn't they bomb" those railroad

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Pope Francis was sharply critical of the global arms industry in a speech at the Vatican this week, telling thousands of children in Rome that weapons manufacturers are money-hungry opponents of peace.

According to the Italian news agency AGI, the Pope said:

Some powerful people make their living with the production of arms and sell them to one country for them to use against another country … It’s the industry of death, the greed that harms us all, the desire to have more money.

I think this pope is nuts or an egomaniac.

This pope is the "Red Pope" - a Communist SJW. He fucking sucks.

And I say this as someone that was raised Catholic.

[Lizard King]

(06-28-2015 01:04 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

The emotional appeal of "they should've bombed the death camps/the railroads" is very, very strong. That's why it keeps getting repeated.

In reality, though, bombing the death camps would've been an absolute disaster. People don't generally realize how inaccurate WWII style bombing was (putting it within 500 ft of the target was considered good, 100 ft was exceptional), nor do they realize that the Germans were excellent at repairing railroads. The RAF and USAAF bombed the hell out of the German railroads, and they were largely repaired within days, if not hours.

Yes, the Catholic Church did far, far more to aid the Jews than any of the Western Allies did.

As for what the Western Allies knew, by 1943, they were aware that the Jews (and others) were being rounded up and systematically exterminated. They were not aware of how widespread it was, nor were they aware of the huge amount of effort the Nazis were putting into doing so. They realized that the best thing to do was win the war as quickly as possible, hence things like Market Garden. Bombing rail lines and death camps was (as they realized) a waste of time. It simply wouldn't do anything.

The Roman Catholic Church was in the pocket of Nazi Germany. I'm surprised you are not aware of that as your previous posts indicate an above average knowledge of history.

"Nazi Germany had the blessing of the Vatican" - Christopher Hitchens. source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RSjvQYdVTQ

It's documented elsewhere if anyone wants to research it.

I think the current Pope is trying to garner support and credibility with these statements. In which case he is showing a strong awareness of how things work today and how credibility is built in today's culture.

[Lizard King]

(06-28-2015 11:32 AM)Horus Wrote:  

The Holocaust was a tragedy, but it wasn't only Jewish live that were sacrificed during the war.

Good point.

It depends on your perspective. If you're a Zionist, then it is only the Jewish deaths that matter. Every other death is inconsequential.

Over 60 million people died in WW2, most of them were civilians, yet the popular narrative is all about the holocaust and how hard done by the Jews are.

[Truth Teller]

(06-28-2015 01:48 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

The Roman Catholic Church was in the pocket of Nazi Germany. I'm surprised you are not aware of that as your previous posts indicate an above average knowledge of history.

"Nazi Germany had the blessing of the Vatican" - Christopher Hitchens. source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RSjvQYdVTQ

It's documented elsewhere if anyone wants to research it.

I think the current Pope is trying to garner support and credibility with these statements. In which case he is showing a strong awareness of how things work today and how credibility is built in today's culture.

Hitchens' knowledge of history was a joke. God is not Great is a compendium of historical errors and ranting against religion.

The Catholic Church wasn't in the pocket of Nazi Germany, and the Nazis actually devoted some time and effort to persecuting the Church. The Reichskonkordat was designed to protect the Catholic Church's rights in Nazi Germany. The Nazis ignored the Reichkonkordat pretty soon after it was signed.

[Roosh]

(06-28-2015 01:34 PM)Game_Started Wrote:  

Why didn't God get involved in stopping the genocide of his chosen people?

If you believe in the Bible, it's because they strayed from his word. The Old Testament repeatedly shows God's fury against the Jews whenever they step out of line. If you break a covenant with God, he will punish you, and if not you, then your descendants.

[Aurini]

(06-28-2015 02:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 01:34 PM)Game_Started Wrote:  

Why didn't God get involved in stopping the genocide of his chosen people?

If you believe in the Bible, it's because they strayed from his word. The Old Testament repeatedly shows God's fury against the Jews whenever they step out of line. If you break a covenant with God, he will punish you, and if not you, then your descendants.

One of my Catholic friends argues that part of the reason the Holocaust is remembered so vividly is because it's the Old Testament being lived-out in real time. The whole OT can be boiled down to the Jews keep acting like Barracks Lawyers with God's Law, God smacks them down, but doesn't destroy them because they're the Chosen People.

As for this Pope, I'm beginning to think he's a similar case to Roy Masters; Masters is a power-broker, the sort of guy who should be running a corporation, and in his failed search for the ineffable he's come to the conclusion that there is no God, merely the god he manufactures for himself. He proceeds to spout the most cult-like, self-serving morality I've ever heard from a supposed Christian, ensuring that all of the women who phone in to his program will be thinking of him while they spread for their husbands, and that their husbands will be constantly overwhelmed with guilt for being such terrible men.

The Pope is promoting the same sort of sickness; weakness and self-hatred, manifest as false humility. He's the classic case of the man who gives to charity for the sake of his own ego. I strongly suspect that the god he worships is his own ego; that deep down he's a complete nihilist.

It's enough to make you long for the days of mistresses and homosexual orgies; at least then you know the Pope's corrupt.

[Lizard King]

(06-28-2015 02:18 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 01:48 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

I never mentioned his screed against religion. I merely mentioned his criticism of the Vatican with regards to Nazi Germany. I did not cite it as a reliable historical source, but as a starting point for those who might be interested in personal research on the matter.

The Roman Catholic Church was in the pocket of Nazi Germany. I'm surprised you are not aware of that as your previous posts indicate an above average knowledge of history.

"Nazi Germany had the blessing of the Vatican" - Christopher Hitchens. source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RSjvQYdVTQ

It's documented elsewhere if anyone wants to research it.

I think the current Pope is trying to garner support and credibility with these statements. In which case he is showing a strong awareness of how things work today and how credibility is built in today's culture.

Hitchens' knowledge of history was a joke. God is not Great is a compendium of historical errors and ranting against religion.

The Catholic Church wasn't in the pocket of Nazi Germany, and the Nazis actually devoted some time and effort to persecuting the Church. The Reichskonkordat was designed to protect the Catholic Church's rights in Nazi Germany. The Nazis ignored the Reichkonkordat pretty soon after it was signed.

I never mentioned his screed against religion. I merely mentioned his criticism of the Vatican with regards to Nazi Germany. I did not cite it as a reliable historical source, but as a starting point for those who might be interested in personal research on the matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C...skonkordat

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Diplomatic policy under Pius XI saw the Catholic Church conclude eighteen concordats, starting in the 1920s. The aim of the church was to safeguard its institutional rights. Historians note the treaties were unsuccessful since, "Europe was entering a period in which such agreements were regarded as mere scraps of paper".

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Effects of the concordat

Most historians state it offered international acceptance of Adolf Hitler's Nazi regime.

The Reichskonkordat was essentially a power struggle between the rising National Socialist Party, and the Roman Catholic Church, for control over the hearts and minds of Catholic Germans. Obviously the Nazis wanted to have ultimate control, and they achieved it. The Vatican failed and it is now viewed as a major failure of Vatican policy. The current statements from the Pope are an attempt to save face and avoid blame.

There is a lot more to the topic of Roman Catholic failures with regard to the Nazi regime in Europe, what I've presented here is the tip of the iceberg.

What we can see from the failure of the Vatican to maintain ideological control over Catholic Germans, was that the consequence was effectively to be in the pocket of Nazi Germany, they were powerless to object, and had to comply to survive.

[hedonist]

(06-28-2015 11:32 AM)Horus Wrote:  

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Pope Francis on Sunday denounced what he calls the "great powers" of the world for failing to act when there was intelligence indicating Jews, Christians, homosexuals and others were being transported to death camps in Europe during World War II.

He is talking about the Rothschild family right?
They were too busy making $$$$ funding both sides of the war

[Easy_C]

Best answer I can give to that is to research some of the "facts" Christopher Hitchens uses. They're misleading at best.

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

(06-28-2015 11:35 AM)Dusty Wrote:  

I think this pope is nuts or an egomaniac.

Honestly, I've been considering a conversion to Orthodoxy or Old Catholicism for a few months. While the Pope hasn't reformed the Church or altered its theological stances I don't like his rhetoric at all.

[Sherman]

I think that the important takeaway to note here is that World War II is still an important event and being used by the elites in power on a daily basis. It's not surprising that a Marxist pope would understand this. Most of what we know about World War II was propaganda generated by the allies to set them up in power for the indefinite future. Note that every time the anglo establishment wants to destroy a country they use the manufactured image of an evil "Hitler". Saddam is Hitler. We have to remove him from power. Molosevic is Hitler. We need to bomb Belgrade. I believe that World War II has even set up the ideology that now makes gay marriage possible. People who question the narrative are put in prison. Make no mistake about it. World War II and the "Good War" myth is not irrelevant. It lives with us every day.

[Hades]

I'm pretty sure a lot of escaped Nazis were carrying Vatican-issued passports. That's a pretty mixed message as far as condemning Nazism is concerned.

[Parlay44]

Because there is no God. There is only the hive mind of the social group that you belong to. The Jews never really belong to the greater social group of where they choose to live in the world. They are always a minority group that gains great power and wealth without actually assimilating into their local mainstream culture. And yeah that's gonna piss some people off.

[h3ltrsk3ltr]

(06-28-2015 12:25 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I look forward to the day that everyone who was alive during that time is dead so we can start to finally move on from all of this.

I'll bet you it won't make a difference. Most of the people are old as hell and it's still a huge deal.

Anyone who was a slave or slave owner has died off, but the topic of slavery is still on the national "to-talk-about" list.

[Lizard King]

(06-28-2015 04:32 PM)Hades Wrote:  

I'm pretty sure a lot of escaped Nazis were carrying Vatican-issued passports. That's a pretty mixed message as far as condemning Nazism is concerned.

That is the point I am trying to put across. The Vatican did a shitty job of condemning the wrongs of the Nazi regime.

Regarding your comment: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/ma...-documents

[Barry Scrotada]

(06-28-2015 12:25 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

I look forward to the day that everyone who was alive during that time is dead so we can start to finally move on from all of this.

Don't see that making a difference. The US Civil War ended 150 years ago and the Army of N. Va.'s battle flag still gives people tantrums.