[RedGuard]

Hey guys,

I know we're not supposed to ask for advice on a single girl, but this situation like it happened to me actually never happened to me before.
I want to avoid mistakes like that if there was a mistake on my side.

So I met up with that Thai girl (notice: I'm in Europe) yesterday. Over texting, I could already feel she's very eager to meet up. She doesn't have that shy asian mentality, but is very straightforward and teases me a lot. Apparently I neg back even more. I guess she got a bit spoiled by western culture...

Anyway we meet and I feel like I do everything right. We walked along the lake, it was raining and I took her under my umbrella (Told her to close hers and led the interaction in general). Lots of KINO already due to umbrella game, building comfort and kept negging her. She's kind of an arrogant bitch, seems to give me lots of shit tests! I either ignored it, acted indifferent or shot back.
We ended up going to a bar (she doesn't drink alcohol). Nevertheless, I made her laugh a lot, escalated KINO (touched her thighs, arms, hands, pulled her hair slightly) and kepts eye contact for extended time periods. She's kind of a crazy bitch and slapped me after I threw negs at her (literally treated me like a boxing bag at times... not that I got hurt or something, but I have never experienced a girl that aggressive!).
We bounced to a Hookah place where she eventually got sleepy and calmed down. She was leaning on me and I literally touched her all over except the intimate parts. She was telling me about other guys she met before who escalated and their only intention was sex and she didn't like that (probably some dudes with not much game). I ignored it and said something along the lines that I not only care about looks but there has to be a special energy in between to get along (I think girls like to hear that). Our faces were really close to each other and I tried Mystery's kiss close attempt. "Do you want to kiss me?"..."No"..."I didn't say you could." I just continued conversation.
We walked back to the place where we both had to take seperate buses to get home. We hugged and I lifted her and attempted a kiss close for the second time. She turned away and kissed on the cheek.
Only half an hour later I got a text from her that she enjoyed seeing me. I said it was fun lifting her (she's short) and she responded that I should do that many more times... She even seems to be eager setting up another date! Notice that I spent less money than her during the date.

I never experienced a girl giving me many IOIs and allowed me to touch to that extent but didn't let me go any further. Especially with Asian, escalation to sex is usual for me on the first date.

What did I do wrong and how should I proceed in that situation?
Due to unfavourable logistics, I can only go back to her place instead of mine. E.g. should I ask her to watch a movie back at her place?

RedGuard

[ryanf]

She likes the attention and validation, but isn't very attracted to you. Give it one more date, if it goes nowhere again, next. In the meantime, keep the pipeline fresh. Always.

[ladderff]

Maybe try jamming more game jargon into your posts and see if that helps.

I don't know where you're operating but my advice from the good ol' US of A is, if the girl likes boxing matches she's an unacceptable risk. Actually it's a bad sign no matter where you are, regardless of her race. Next.

[Sonoma]

Crazy bitches who slap should never be pondered

[RedGuard]

^That's true.

I'm only going to invest a minimal effort in that case.
So I was thinking about a hail mary approach.
I don't wanna waste any unproductive time in public, so I just try to invite myself over to her place. I wanna see her cute cat or watch a movie together or whatever. If she denies and wants to go hiking with me... Next.

What you guys think?

[Sonoma]

Hail Mary

[RedPillUK]

If her face is close to yours, just kiss her. No talking. Don't use mystery's line, it will probably come off lame, unless thats something you would actually say.

I've made out and had sex with a girl after I made out with her without saying two sentences to her.. Her face was close to mine as we started to talk, I realised she was hardly listening and neither was I soI decided to just go for the kiss. I was drunk. Ive tried this move loads of times since and its worked everytime since so far.

[RedGuard]

Thanks for your advice guys. I'm now further with that girl.
But you have no idea how much my logistics suck at the moment.
My place is not an option, I live with my parents.
I basically got her, she's all warmed up. The last two dates we were having a lot of fun, making out all the time, we were even almost having outdoor sex, I was biting and licking her boobs. She got horny as hell. She's for sure very much into me. However, she refuses every time I suggest we go back to her place to "research" about certain things on the internet we discussed, to watch a movie, to grab some food. I tried any possible ways to invite myself over to her place without showing obvious intentions.
She told me she's kind of conservative about this and doesn't just take home any guy. I understand this and respect such girls who don't sleep around. It's a matter of time until she's ready for me to come over. But the problem is, she's now in a power position and can decide when she wants me to come to her place. I want to bang her as soon as possible, I feel like I'm sliding into the relationship thing if it takes her much longer...

I have to admit though she's a damn good one. We don't just have normal boring dates at the bar. We're doing fun outdoor activities. And she pays more on dates than I do! It's fun even without banging her. But still, the bang is the ultimate goal.

How can I bang her quickly and wipe out her resistance?

[OregonToSoCal]

If you've come close to having sex with her last time but weren't able to seal the deal the odds are that you will never see her again. That's been my overwhelming experience as well as most guys on here. I'm hoping you're the exception but prepare yourself just in case.

[Parlay44]

She sounds like a 3rd date / 3rd base kinda girl. Keep pushing til she says no. Then back off slightly and push some more. Just keep it fun.

[Suits]

Ya, I've dealt with girls like this before, in fact, I'm going to likely bang one of these types this week (following four dates). Lucky for her, she's super hot and she cleans my kitchen or I wouldn't be letting her waste my time.

They know the risk of a pump and dump, so they make very serious effort to slow down the rate of sexual progression so that you'll have to invest a whole enough that your going to be unlikely to disappear after one night of sex.

The trick with these chicks is to either (if they are ugly) never talk to them again (or if they are hot) play there game and then reward them by having sex once and then never talking to them again.

Let them play their game, but escalate like a caveman. Once you get the bang, make a decision about ever seeing her again with the knowledge that she will absolutely use sex to attempt to manipulate you in the future.

[Dalaran1991]

(07-01-2015 06:45 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Ya, I've dealt with girls like this before, in fact, I'm going to likely bang one of these types this week (following four dates). Lucky for her, she's super hot and she cleans my kitchen or I wouldn't be letting her waste my time.

They know the risk of a pump and dump, so they make very serious effort to slow down the rate of sexual progression so that you'll have to invest a whole enough that your going to be unlikely to disappear after one night of sex.

The trick with these chicks is to either (if they are ugly) never talk to them again (or if they are hot) play there game and then reward them by having sex once and then never talking to them again.

Let them play their game, but escalate like a caveman. Once you get the bang, make a decision about ever seeing her again with the knowledge that she will absolutely use sex to attempt to manipulate you in the future.

Wholeheartedly agree. Suits got asian girl game down to a T. Be careful and dont let these types waste your time going on worthless dates. You are ALWAYS spending your time.

Unlike some of you guys, I actually don’t “respect” girls who make you wait to put out. She’s wasting your time and special-snowflaking, unless she is a virgin.

With these girls I love to pump and dump them unless she is hot and pleasant to be around (explaining why you have to put out). Serves them bitches right for wasting our time.

Its my experience that even conservative girls will put out soon for you if she likes you, and I take that as a token of trust and I then treat them very nice.

[Suits]

(07-01-2015 07:14 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Its my experience that even conservative girls will put out soon for you if she likes you, and I take that as a token of trust and I then treat them very nice.

Yes, the vast majority girls might not have the genetic composition, personality and situation to lock me down long term, but if a girl doesn't deny her own sexual desires and let's me fuck her as soon as she feels the urge to be fucked, she'll have a much greater opportunity to convince me that she deserves to be in my life long term. At a minimum, I won't just pump and dump her.

But if a girl wastes my time and is clearly ignoring her own sexual desires in an attempt to manipulate me...I'm sorry, I don't give bad people a chance to prove themselves to me.

Relationships are based on honesty. So that needs to a part of the deal from the beginning. If you can't even be proactively honest about wanting sex....it's over before it starts.

We aren't talking about a bunch of virgins here. We are talking about girls who have absolutely put out on the first date before....so there's no reason to treat me worse than all the men she's swallowed the cum of within hours of meeting.

[Russian Man]

This is total resistance. There is a big difference between token and total resistance. A lot of men don't understand that fucking you, or allowing you to cross any barrier (touching/kiss, etc.), is a LOGICAL decision. Women may be emotional and so on, but they have a logical forebrain just like men do. Before escalation, or during escalation, you must work the logic just as hard as you work the emotions. There are several questions to ask yourself: Is she attracted to you sexually? What is the frame, what have you presented to her, what is present context of the interaction (that YOU set)? Are you taking her on many dates pretending like you'll be her boyfriend? Maybe she doesn't want a boyfriend.

Total resistance means that for whatever reason, she has logically decided to not fuck you. It may be your SMV (though I doubt it, because she's on a date with you, and despite what some men say here, women have PLENTY of low-value suitors and they don't like to waste their time going on dates to nowhere with betas who are outside their social circle). However, far more likely is it that you fucked up the lover/provider context of the interaction, or didn't logically convince her to fuck you. There are many sexual encouragement routines, routines for disabling ASD, for fast-tracking sex with quasi-conservative girls, etc. But all of that is irrelevant, the likely cause is lover/provider, which many men overlook as it is a serious issue that is rarely discussed in depth.

Total resistance is when the girl absolutely refuses to be touched, or kissed, or pushes you away angrily or whatever. Means you fucked up somewhere, it's not normal, token resistance is a head-turn with a giggle, not an angry putdown. It's almost always a lover/provider problem, even with older chicks. Often post-carousel girls with heavy ASD from their riding get angry when you escalate, but if you are strong on the lover vibe even then it shouldn't happen, you won't be her boyfriend so there's no reason to present such bullshit.

There's only one way to deal with total resistance: Extreme boundaries. Persistance will do nothing. You could try to kiss her 10 thousand times, it wouldn't work. First, make sure the context of the interaction is right for the girl. If it is and you're certain it's not a serious mistake on your part, present a strong boundary to either convert a girl who is making a game mistake herself, or weed out a timewaster. "I'm going to the toilet, if you really don't want to be kissed, you are free to leave while I'm in the toilet, don't worry about the beer, I'll get it" - All said with a good vibe and a smirk, anger is reactive. Very clear boundary, states "don't waste my fucking time, if that is your plan, fuck off, you are about to get replaced". If it's a girl who actually likes you and is making a mistake (much like a guy who gets needy, a girl who doesn't know what she's doing despite liking you), she will correct. If she fails to correct at this point, she's tooling you and any further interaction with her is a waste of your time. You won't fuck her. End the date, delete the number, open more sets. She's history. Abundance mentality.

[RedGuard]

Thanks for your inputs guys.

I banged her by now. She even told me I fucked her so well and every time we meet she gets so horny and wants more.
The thing is, she has higher needs than me sometimes.

When I met her last time, sex was not the main purpose. Actually, I didn't even really feel like having sex that time. However, I made her all horny because she was so into it. I denied banging her when she was horny even though she wanted it.

I've experienced it before. When girls get horny, they absolutely expect you to bang them. It seems like all these girls went more distant from me after such an incident, like not being physically affectionate anymore like before, even trying to friendzone you even if I banged the brains out of her before and she loved it.

Have you guys experienced such a situation before? Should I absolutely always end up banging a girl if I start making her horny and fingering her?

RedGuard