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Coming back from hernias
#1

Coming back from hernias

I'm still in my 20's but I've had 3 hernia repairs within a span of 5 years. The first hernia appeared by itself (I think from weights but I'm not certain to this day what caused it) and I underwent surgery for it. 4 years after that I noticed a new hernia on the other side of my body and when I went for surgery, it turned out that the old hernia had also reoccurred. I had both of them repaired that same day.


That last surgery was 9 months ago, and in my subsequent visits to the doctor, nothing was found. I'd like to get into a home workout regiment since getting to a gym just isn't an option at the moment. However, my last set of hernias were caused after a few weeks of exercises I had been doing to strengthen my core. Has anyone here had the experience of coming back from a hernia? How did you manage your exercise regiment afterwards?
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#2

Coming back from hernias

I had a sports strain long ago. Its like a pre-hernia. I just worked lying leg raises until I could do fifty in a set and it disappeared. Since then I have proceeded very carefully with lifting.

I suspect they're caused by core weakness but I'm no sports doctor.
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#3

Coming back from hernias

I caused a small one in my belly button about 6 weeks back now by going too heavy on a squat without wearing my belt.

Thankfully it was small enough not to need surgery. From everything I've read and been told on the subject, they are a nightmare for re-occurence.

I've taken mine as my body telling me it's had enough of lifting super heavy all the time; strength training is now off the cards for me, forever.

There seems very little advice out there on how to rehabilitate after a hernia but I suspect Hades is right; lots of core work and steady weight training.

Slow and steady wins this race I think.
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#4

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Stupid question, can you get hernia's in the arms?

I have these solid lumps in my forearm and inside bicep on my right arm. The forearm lump came about through a wrestling playfight with a friend years ago and I have no idea about the bicep one.
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#5

Coming back from hernias

I had an inguinal hernia in 1989. It happened in the Ranger Indoctrination Program. I pushed it back in and I felt great. Then it happened again a few months later in Ranger School, and I pushed it back in. I finally got it repaired in 2013. It started to flare up and it felt like I got kicked in the nuts whenever I squatted. After the repair I've had no problems. Every now and again I may experience some discomfort around the incision site, but it's minor. My core is a hell of a lot stronger today than it's been in previous years.

"Feminism is a trade union for ugly women"- Peregrine
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#6

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I had a hernia repair a year ago - but it had started about 11 years ago, so it went untreated for 10 years. Combined with other problems in my body, it means that I'm on a very long and slow rehabilitation program.

@Foolsgo1d - that sounds fucked up and get it properly checked out by a orthopaedic physiotherapist.
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#7

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Quote: (05-22-2015 10:50 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

I had a hernia repair a year ago - but it had started about 11 years ago, so it went untreated for 10 years. Combined with other problems in my body, it means that I'm on a very long and slow rehabilitation program.

@Foolsgo1d - that sounds fucked up and get it properly checked out by a orthopaedic physiotherapist.

Sounds expensive for something that has no implications. I best get it checked on the NHS though.
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#8

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Frick - - was just diagnosed with an inguinal hernia on my groin after noticing it a week ago. Very disappointing, I was making great progress and had that consistency dialed in.

Im not really sure how to proceed. Looking into surgical options right now but the wait could be long. I will probably keep lifting but nothing crazy, I know already that the mental block will kick in if I try to go heavy on squats and deadlift so those are out. Just a bummer in general.
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#9

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I had an inguinal hernia repaired laparoscopically a couple years ago. The recovery period was two weeks and I have had no issues since. I strongly recommend going laparoscopic vs open surgery, with the latter the recovery period is much longer (usually several months).
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#10

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I actually heard that Laparoscopic, although easier recovery, was more likely to re-occur. Open mesh or Shouldice method seem to be the most successful long term?

Your 'scope surgery has treated you well? I'm still in research phase, stopped all compound lifting after waking up with sore testicles after bench press day on Friday. Will probably just swim and do bodyweight type exercise while working on flexibility/rehabbing a nagging shoulder injury with bands and shit. I think the big thing will to be still making sure I go to the gym to maintain good habits even if I am not doing heavy work.
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#11

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My first hernia was an inguinal hernia that was repaired with a mesh. And then 4 years later it re-occurred and I also had the new hernias that popped up (an inguinal on the other side as well as an umbilical). Those second surgeries were all laparoscopic and I've had no issues since.
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#12

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Just checked into the hospital, I am getting my hernias fixed. I had one discovered on my right groin as well so they are going to do both sides. This will be an open repair method without mesh, I will post up my experiences when I am recovered a bit.

I just was talking to the doctor and he said that even if I was lifting light weights, I would probably get one - I explained how two of my uncles and my great grandpa all had them, and he said that they really just come down to genetics. He said about a fifth of all men have the gift of a weak inguinal canal so nothing can be done to prevent them in the gym.
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#13

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Best of luck, brother. I hope that you recover quickly.


Quote: (06-13-2017 12:28 PM)komatiite Wrote:  

Just checked into the hospital, I am getting my hernias fixed. I had one discovered on my right groin as well so they are going to do both sides. This will be an open repair method without mesh, I will post up my experiences when I am recovered a bit.

I just was talking to the doctor and he said that even if I was lifting light weights, I would probably get one - I explained how two of my uncles and my great grandpa all had them, and he said that they really just come down to genetics. He said about a fifth of all men have the gift of a weak inguinal canal so nothing can be done to prevent them in the gym.
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#14

Coming back from hernias

It’s been a couple of weeks since my surgery for bilateral inguinal hernias and I am getting back to normal. I went an unorthodox route for my surgery so I’ll detail it here in case anyone else finds themselves with a big lump on their groin. YETI- thanks for the well wishes bro.



Disclaimer: I am a dual Canadian-US citizen so I researched both American and Canadian health options.

I live pretty evenly in both countries due to work.



Background: I think I ended up getting my hernias from bent over dumbbell rows. The twisting motion you get when you yank up the weight probably puts unneeded strain at that interface of the groin/abdominal area, which caused the tear in my inguinal canal and led to my intestines popping out. But I cannot 100% guarantee it was that; it could have been anything that caused it because I did not feel any pain when it happened. It did start to lead to a dull pain so I went to the doctor to have it sorted out.



I went to my Canadian doctor in a prairie province and he immediately diagnosed one hernia and referred me to a specialist. He said that in the Canadian system it would be 4 months until I saw a specialist and then twelve more months to get surgery based on his experience. So 1.33 years total from diagnosis date to surgery date. This was unacceptable to me so I went to a Urologist in Montana. He diagnosed it quickly and said he could get me into surgery quickly. But this would cost me $12,000 USD ($15,800 CAD) to repair both of my hernias (he actually noticed that I had a second smaller one on my other side). I was pretty reluctant to go this route because that’s a lot of money, especially since this would be laparoscopic and I have heard that method isn’t as effective as open surgery.



So I went online and did some research. I found one interesting website:

http://www.shouldice.com/

I had never heard of Shouldice hernia repair, but basically in the 1940s a doctor in Toronto pioneered a new method of hernia repair because so many young guys were getting hernias in Basic Training before they were shipped off to fight in WWII. His method was, using local anesthetic, cutting a 6-inch incision, cutting through your abdominals, then sewing together your inguinal canal and abs again twice with surgical metal wire. The wire stays in you for the rest of your life and has a 99.5% chance of not failing, as long as you don’t become obese. The hospital stands to this day and is basically semi-private health care. For Ontario residents the surgery is fully subsidized but they make you stay there for 4 days if you have 1 hernia repaired or 6 days if you get 2 hernias repaired. The cost to stay there is $240 CAD per night.



So I phoned up the hospital and after sending them my medical records, they gave me a quote and a surgery day in Toronto a month away. The charge was $3800 Canadian, since most of my two surgeries was covered by my Province (I do not live in ON). Plus $800 for flights to TO.



This blog summarizes the exact experience I had, thanks to this guy who spent the time writing it out. The only difference is that since I was not an Ontario resident, I did not go in to the clinic beforehand to get evaluated. The surgeon just got the info faxed from my doctor and he checked me out when I came in to confirm. Also, he speaks of taking Oxy pills to knock him out before surgery. For me they IV'd Fentanyl and a benzo and I was out cold.

https://shouldiceherniarepair.wordpress....alization/



Since I had two hernias I had two different surgeries. All I can say is that the day right after each surgery SUCKED, which is to be expected. But it was amazing how quickly I recovered day-to-day. It’s been just over 2 weeks now but I am very impressed by my progress, I still haven’t lifted weights because I was getting pain carrying heavy bags of groceries the other day. But I am riding the stationary bike and improving each day, and stopped taking painkillers 1 week after the surgery. I just ate like a horse and took plenty of protein and vitamins in to help speed up the healing which seemed to help.



The hospital itself was fine, they make the best of a bad situation – there is maybe 60-70 patients there at any given time from all over the place. Mainly old men, but a few young guys and even some women (although obviously 95% men due to the genetic weakness 25% of males have in the Inguinal canal). The food was good, it’s a relaxing place, and it was cool how they did group dinners with all the patients. Didn’t matter if you were rich or poor, Canadian or American, straight or gay, black or white. Everyone in there was getting cut open and getting a hernia repaired, so we were all in the same boat. You could shoot the shit with people and get tips from the guys who were operated on the day before, and monitor each other’s progress. Where else on earth can you hear conversations at the dinner table like “Man, I took some narcotic painkiller yesterday and now can’t take a dump, do you guys have any tips on how to crap because it hurts too much to push right now!” They do about 125 surgeries a week and they have about 7 surgeons who only do hernias, it’s just a total hernia factory. You know you are in good hands when the surgeons are doing so many operations, they are definitely experts which is why the failure rate is so low.



For Americans you could probably expect to pay about $3000 for one surgery and $5000 for bilateral hernia (including the meals and a bed), since you don’t have provincial health coverage, but they accept all kinds of insurance. Plus the cost of flying there. Flying wasn’t even a big deal just a couple days after surgery, as long as you get up to walk once an hour. Amazing how it is cheaper for an American to go to Canada for a surgery.



If anyone ever has an issue with Hernias and is interested in more info, let me know. I may be off with the costs because every case is different, this is just my experience. Apparently the Shouldice method has the lowest chance of reoccurrence versus laparoscopic or open mesh repair, but that could be just due to the fact that the surgeons are so experienced. Maybe a surgeon who specializes strictly in mesh and does hundreds of mesh surgeries a year would have better stats but I don’t know how you would find such a guy. Hopefully I made the right choice by going to Shouldice but based on the amounts of guys from all over North America there and their good stats, I think that I put myself in good hands. To me, it would be a no-brainer for a guy in Ontario to get a hernia repaired here, obviously for non-Ontario guys it’s a different decision. I am just happy that I got two hernias at the same time, so I won’t ever have to think about hernias again, knock on wood!

Now just waiting to get back under the bar and can get back on the road towards Steelex gains!
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#15

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Very interesting.

It's been over 3 years since my hernia repair, it was a open surgery where they installed a mesh. Over time I'm having more and more problems with it. Because it's right in the groin area, it always noticeable during sex, and intermittently noticeable when sitting down to take a dump, and today, it twinged when taking a leak. Fuck. I don't know if this is serious or if it's all in my head.
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#16

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I feel your pain man, I would say that 1/3 of the guys there had recurrent hernias with mesh that failed, so the surgeon has to fish it out and then apply Shouldice method. A bit more invasive but they correct them all the time if it ever becomes a problem -- this is why I am happy I chose Shouldice, I have seen many internet comments on how the Mesh failed but seeing guys in person with their issues with Mesh at Shouldice was eye opening.

Then again, OP on this thread had laparoscopic mesh and is back in business. Everyone is different and I just am not qualified to discuss why a mesh surgery will fail or succeed. All I figured was that I should put myself into the best situation possible and that route seemed to be Shouldice. My theory is that many general urologist type doctors have hernia in their big arsenal, and while the guy may be a pro at fixing up dick problems or whatever, he may be less experienced at hernia surgery. Meanwhile a Shouldice surgeon is equivalent to a skilled worker at an automotive plant - the assembly line repetition of doing only hernias provides him with such a wide array of experience that each surgeon has likely seen every disaster in the book so knows what to do. Interesting concept for a hospital to say the least.

Hope your mesh stops giving you problems though! That sounds very annoying!
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#17

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I'm going to my doctor about it soon. If I need another repair I'll go to the shouldice clinic. I actually heard about it right before my repair, except the information was so vague, and the distance far away that I went with a local surgeon.
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#18

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To be transparent I will provide updates on my recovery.

It's been 22 days since my surgery

Still painful to sneeze and cough. Took about 10 days to get good sleeps. I can comfortably sleep on my side now, was annoying sleeping on my back!

Still no weights - I'll wait for the sneezing pain to disappear as a proxy for when to lift.

For now I am still just riding the stationary bike 5 miles a day then I set up bands and do some rotator cuff work since that was bothering me prior to surgery.

Tried to swim on the 17th day post-op but that was quite painful. The act of reaching forward to pull water at the start of the stroke caused soreness - I guess that extension in the abs is no Bueno. I can imagine that pull ups are a while away yet.

Diet is on point after a couple weeks of slacking - home cooked every night and plenty of protein, vitamins etc.
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27 day mark. I went to the gym right after writing my prior post and got bored of the stationary bike so I hit some of those old man circuit training machines. Next day, I wasn't sore at all at the surgical spot and didn't really have any sneezing pain so I figured "fuck it" and went back to lifting. Since then I have lifted three days - Push pull legs. Push day I did dips and bench, pull I did seated rows, biceps and hyperextensions and legs I just did squats. Other than the DOMS from inactivity for the last few weeks I felt no pain at all where my surgery was.

Very happy about this, basically only a month of recovery. Hoping to get some real back excersise in such as deadlifts and pull-ups in the next couple days. Maybe direct ab work next week, should be back to regular scheduled programming very soon here.

Obviously I lost strength but nothing that a couple months of General Stalin- type commitment can't fix.

All in all, great progress, I saw lots of internet posts saying they took months to recover from the surgery before lifting, meanwhile I was under the four week mark.

Good luck to anyone who gets a hernia and if you ever have questions about my route, feel free to PM.
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