[PapayaTapper]

They may forget what you said — but they will never forget how you made them feel.
—Carl W. Buehner

[Begriff]

I'll add to sample size referring to 2015-16 data, busy small city SoCal

Ex-girls room mate got number close as I was doing minor home repair; first date was a hike, follwed up with couldn't load Netflix went straight to chill.

Number closed at Starbucks, Norwegian foreign exchange student honest 9.5, invited to her house told to bring wine, got the clothes off NO BANG.

Number closed in whole foods, first date was dinner / apps, split the bill sneaked into hot tub on private property, got the bang

Number closed in whole foods #2, first date was drinks, Alotta bullshit Before bang maybe 3-4 dates.

Number closed @ rock gym 2nd date at rock gym, 1 drink, then my place bang

Number close by mutual friends, only met for drinks, No bang

Number closed at high end bar, 2 dates with drinks & apps - no bang. 3rd 4th date no drinks got the bang.


Back in NY when In my early 20s, was all about getting sloppy & bringing home sloppy 4-6s and an 8 that one time.

Here in SoCal, you got every dick swiping there thumbs off, blowing money on drinks, dressed to the 9's, it actually pays to be in gym clothes and do some thing for free-20 bucks and you'll separate your self from

TLDR
Skip the drinks got to the whole foods hot food bar get the bang.

What WIA said

[JWLZG]

(02-22-2016 08:52 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 01:41 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Since getting into game, I've always leaned towards drink dates.

Bumping this thread up, I think I may have shot myself in the foot. I've got a date lined up for Friday (will go over this in the Approach thread) in which I suggested she take me for a run (something we talked about earlier) near her place. I said that I'd take her to the beach near where I was raised at a later date -- we both grew up by the coast.

1) You must be young and in shape, no way in hell I"d agree to this
2) run near her place - She's probably going to feel gross afterwards. So she's going to want a shower.
- does she have room mates?

If so, she gets to run with you, get sweaty, feel gross, evaluate your game, and then say goodbye as she takes a shower.

- she doesn't have roomies? Then make sure you can shower at her place, and have some soy muffins in your car, or whatever you runners eat.

3) The real key issue is that she's going to feel gross after sweating.
- you could go hollywood and plan something for the run itself
- you can play grab ass during the run and try to escalate in a nearby woods, playground, club house.
- you can end up in a pool somehow

But the logistics of the date aren't favorable to an easy bang. You're going to have to focus more on headwork and turning her on.

In any event, I wouldn't wait till the end of the run to go for the kiss. Too predictable.

WIA

Thanks WIA. Yeah we're both young and in shape (as if that isn't a good thing in our women?)

I guessed that the whole feeling gross thing would be an issue, also the fact that a running date leaves the intentions ambiguous (would she see this as a friend thing or not?)

There's been a change of plans - she's flaked on me, but has asked if we can do another day. I'm happy to close it as far sexually as possible, but am happy to leave the bang until the second date if need be. Would it be too incongruous to switch the activity to something alcoholic?

[GlobalMan]

I've had more success/bangs with "coffee dates" than meeting at bars. Far more in fact.

My impression is that the girls trust themselves more, and trust you more. They let their guard down, are more relaxed and open.

He asked me for coffee, he must be a good guy. No way he could be calculating while sipping a mocha!

I can't even count the number of times a girl has told me how surprised and pleased she was that I suggested coffee at Barnes & Noble (bookstore) and not a drink at X Bar. They don't get that very much, they are intrigued and think you're different in some way. An added bonus is that a venue like that gives endless things to talk about, we can go for a stroll, I stop and show her a photography book.. it feels "natural" to a girl, and if there's one thing girls love it is "things just happening".

If she only knew it didn't "just happen"....