[Feldeinsamkeit]

I've been caging up the talent in a local Polish grocery store in my neck of the woods (north east England) over the last few weeks and paid it another visit today. After I'd been loitering around for a few minutes one of the better-looking female assistants comes over (late 20s, brunette, gorgeous blowjob lips and slim - FYI I'm an old fart at 40) and asks me whether I need any help. I answer, somewhat reflexively, "No thanks, I'm just looking" and she then comments that she's seen me in the store a few times but that I never seem to buy anything. So I respond by asking whether she's been stalking me She seems to blush a little at this point and I then go straight into game mode and tell her that I'm interested in spending some time in Poland in the near future and the proceed to ask her where she's from, how long she's been in the UK, whether she likes it her, et.c.. We stand and chat on the spot for some until her mobile rings and she then goes to the back of the office to take the call in private. After a couple of minutes she returns and stands just where we had been talking and we continue the banter. While this is going on, I notice how her fat colleague behind the counter is giving off a wry grin, as if to register the flirting that is currently taking place between us. I eventually grab myself a tin of gulash and proceed to the checkout, asking the gorgeous brunette whether she's already made a note of me having made my first purchase, which gets her laughing again.

I was struck by several features of this encounter: Firstly, the fact that such an attractive woman looks-wise was giving me the time of game and being so flirty. I've been running day and social circle game on women a full 3 points lower than her and they've basically treated me like the shit on their shoes, so much so that I'm suddenly shocked to be getting what seems like a decent IOI from a woman that I'm actually attracted to. A second salient feature of the encounter was the femininity with which this woman carried herself - looking down for some of the time but not to the side, blushing periodically when I made her laugh, the soft and extremely sensual accent that she still had (she said she was from Wroclaw). I would have to go back at least 25 years to remember the last time I even saw a British woman blush and even that I'm not entirely certain of. Thirdly, the naturalness of the encounter cannot be stressed enough. The conversation simply flowed, even though we didn't even know each other and it was clear that there was at least some curiosity on her part about me. This is in stark contrast to how an English female cashier would have behaved in the same situation, where any attempt to move the conversation onto a personal level would have been met with a feeling of paranoia and would have elicited a stony and awkward response. Hell, the last couple of girls I day-gamed ended up walking away while they were still talking to me, such is how paranoid women feel about being approached by a random guy on the street. Lastly, I felt like I was having a conversation on an equal eye level, so-to-speak. Even though her looks would have justified it, she was very down-to-earth and didn't once come off haughty or stuck-up at all - good luck trying to find even an English slim plain jane to game that doesn't think the sun shines out of her arse.

So I was wondering whether Polish women are actually used to being opened by day-game. My impression is that it might not be such a widespread phenomenon in Poland as it is in the Anglosphere. Can any of you guys who have gamed in Poland she any light on this?

In contrast to every English woman around my age I attempt to open, she seemed genuinely appreciative of the fact that I was gaming her, irrespective of whether she's already got a BF or is interested in taking things any further. Such a response from an English woman in a similar situation in my locality would have been utterly unthinkable.

I'm still shocked at the difference between the respective behaviours, but in a way that leaves a very pleasant aftertaste; it was night and day.

[CodyB]

Anecdotally

British (and most anglospheric women)
Fat, unfriendly, ugly and very particular

Polish
absolute opposite.

[rhino]

You did well, but then you blew it:

(05-05-2015 10:39 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

I eventually grab myself a tin of gulash and proceed to the checkout,

DLV.

[Lizard King]

(05-05-2015 10:39 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

So I was wondering whether Polish women are actually used to being opened by day-game. My impression is that it might not be such a widespread phenomenon in Poland as it is in the Anglosphere.

A man approaching a woman is a natural thing to be happening.

It's social conditioning, or values of society, that make people think it shouldn't happen.

I am fed up with cunty, fat English women. They all have terrible attitudes, think they are entitled to males way above their sexual value. They are only good for sport fucking.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(05-05-2015 11:01 AM)rhino Wrote:  

You did well, but then you blew it:

(05-05-2015 10:39 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

I eventually grab myself a tin of gulash and proceed to the checkout,

DLV.

Ah, yes, upon reflection it's probably true. But I was actually going to buy a tin in any case - but point taken.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Yeah - that's normal.

I moved to Poland when I was 36 with a job I was offered. I fucked a 19 year old the first year - I was not running Game often back then, only occasionally when I was driving around on business. When I fucked her I told her to say: "I am 19." - hehe.

Turns out that other young girls reacted to me equally well. The same with 2 of my buddies who each live in Switzerland and Germany. They do well in Germany, but Poland is a country where you can find younger girls more easily.

If you are in shape and not bad-looking then women will find you attractive alright. A 40 year old opening a 27 year old is nothing spectacular, because at that age Polish girls are looking for Mr. Right and she certainly was interested in you.

As far as Daygame not being common - yes it's true - most men don't approach women in Poland - even in clubs they linger around and stare at girls. The few that do have some Game or are good-looking enough to get feedback that re-confirms itself.

Oh - and you should have bought a pack of condoms.

[aphelion]

(05-05-2015 11:45 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Yeah - that's normal.

I moved to Poland when I was 36 with a job I was offered. I fucked a 19 year old the first year - I was not running Game often back then, only occasionally when I was driving around on business. When I fucked her I told her to say: "I am 19." - hehe.

[Chick Magnet]

Am I the only one who doesn't think English girls are that bad? When you find one that's slim, they tend to have gorgeous faces and unique color combinations (pitch black hair, pale skin, blue eyes = my type). Not to mention, they have huge knockers!

For an American dude, I think it's an underrated place. No language barrier, people are nice and all have a witty dark sense of humor that I can relate too. I dunno...if it weren't for the high cost of living and 330 days without sun, I would live there.

[XXL]

There are many girls here who don't go out cause they hate dealing with drunk idiots so they are open to meeting guys via social circle or randomly in daytime situations as long as that interaction is rather slow lighthearted pleasant and casual like a normal conversation. But no hitting on them.

So you can make very positive impression in daytime as long as you stay cool calm and interesting guy. Especially that competition here rather suck at gaming girls well being sober.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(05-05-2015 05:49 PM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

Am I the only one who doesn't think English girls are that bad? When you find one that's slim, they tend to have gorgeous faces and unique color combinations (pitch black hair, pale skin, blue eyes = my type). Not to mention, they have huge knockers!

For an American dude, I think it's an underrated place. No language barrier, people are nice and all have a witty dark sense of humor that I can relate too. I dunno...if it weren't for the high cost of living and 330 days without sun, I would live there.

But it's the "when you find one that's slim" that's the rub, I'm afraid. You almost make it sound like a tangential consideration, but it's anything but. The result, much the same as I would expect the US to be, is that the competition for even the slim plain Janes is severe, such that you need a very high level of game to do well here.

I will, however, agree with you on the facial complexion of English girls - it is often quite ruddy and healthy and even lush with some, much more so than with continental girls, a result perhaps of the humid climate of these isles. Furthermore, women who look after themselves here do age quite well in comparison to, say, Polish or Russian women.

But it's the weighty issue of the high percentage of English girls that are both top and, regretfully, also bottom heavy that fucks up what would otherwise but a decent stock of females, at least from a purely physical perspective.

[WestIndianArchie]

(05-05-2015 05:49 PM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

Am I the only one who doesn't think English girls are that bad? When you find one that's slim, they tend to have gorgeous faces and unique color combinations (pitch black hair, pale skin, blue eyes = my type). Not to mention, they have huge knockers!

For an American dude, I think it's an underrated place. No language barrier, people are nice and all have a witty dark sense of humor that I can relate too. I dunno...if it weren't for the high cost of living and 330 days without sun, I would live there.

I think Americans/UK/Canadians/Aussies/Kiwis tend to find each other's women attractive AND we sort of benefit from our native accents in foreign lands.

All the UK chicks i've met, a handful when I think about it, love American guys because Americans in general are very confident and happy about the future (delusional). If they're somewhat passable physically, I find the accents and their personalities ....dare I say....delightful....*ducks tea and crumpets thrown my way* And the Nigerian and Indian ones are quite fetching to me.

It's a typical grass is greener issue, but unlike Latin America, Eastern Europe, and Asia - the grass is not actually greener.

WIA

[Saweeep]

OP, you say you've been getting blown out by women 3 points lower.

Have you considered that maybe you are totally underestimating your own SMV?

[Lizard King]

(05-05-2015 08:59 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

It's a typical grass is greener issue, but unlike Latin America, Eastern Europe, and Asia - the grass is not actually greener.

WIA

Very true.

[averagebritguy]

I don't think this is completely true. I'm the same age as you Feldinsamkeit and have often end up with cute girls under 25 in both the UK and poland (21-23 seems the sweet spot for me). I'm a completely average guy, I don't wear super stylish peacocking attire, I'm average build and not a gym rat, i don't smell like an explosion in a perfume shop as I rarely wear aftershave - I don't stand out in a crowd and thats the way I like it. I rarely get girls complimenting me, or approaching me, because I approach the ones i'm interested in. I don't "game", I've read almost everything about it, watched/listened to some guys doing it and even tried it, and I think it's mostly a waste of time. I go out, enjoy life, have fun, talk to people, flirt with girls, theres not much more too it than that. Sure I'm not killing it like some guys appear to be on here in certain countries, but I live in the UK, try to travel a lot and have a pretty full life.

The only difference I see between big cities in the UK and Poland is that theres more abudance of slim girls, but not all of these girls are attractive in my eyes, I spent most of last night bar hoping, and saw maybe 5 girls that I would be interested in, out of say a 70. The cheap bar had over 20 under 5ft skinny girl students in, all unfortunately with gaunt features which just doesn't do it for me. There was a hell of a lot of muscle boy groups in shortsleeved shirts and shorts which is a first on a night out in Poland for me, I'd say the guys to girls ratio was around 5:1 and if were talking decent looking, more like 20:1.

And I have plenty of no's from Polish and English girls...I'd say Polish girls are softer in letting you down gently, but this can also be a time waster...they will flirt with you, dance with you all night, make out with you, with no intention of going home with you or even meeting again. And they do it to other guys...I've seen it many times, but it is a serious self cockblock that the girl is wasting her own time too with a guy who's entertaining her all night, but actually getting no where. That has never happened to me in the UK. Yesteryday in Starbucks I was queuing with about 12 girls, and the tall slim girl who was making eye contact, completely turned her back on me when I walked up into her space and put her under some social pressure. But the short, dumpy, hair shaved at the side girl in leather turned around and just stared at me for 3 minutes while we waited for our drinks...so I got my drink, and left

The reason the UK gets a bad rep in general for sex tourists, is that it's hard to come here and find quality girls. You can almost always find a british girl who's up for it, but she'll likely be in the 95% not the 5%. And for guys that live here, there's some crazy idea that you have to put a lot of effort in, hit the gym, tailored suits, overstyled hair cuts, spend time preparing entertaining stories about their amazing life, learning to be awesome at bantering...well maybe in the top cities with the top girls, but cute students? Nah.

Anyway..try a long weekend in Poland man, at least then you'll know how it suits you. Talking to girls in the day here is the same as anywhere else, you'll have the tourist angle if you need a reason to start a conversation (just carry a map and don't even mention it would be my advice, because then she may start asking questions). But depending where you go you might hit a language barrier, some girls will not have very good English and would rather not talk to you than make mistakes...crazy but true!

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-06-2015 03:06 AM)averagebritguy Wrote:  

And I have plenty of no's from Polish and English girls...I'd say Polish girls are softer in letting you down gently, but this can also be a time waster...they will flirt with you, dance with you all night, make out with you, with no intention of going home with you or even meeting again. And they do it to other guys...I've seen it many times, but it is a serious self cockblock that the girl is wasting her own time too with a guy who's entertaining her all night, but actually getting no where. That has never happened to me in the UK.

That's true - some girls can even flirt with you hot and heavy while waiting for her boyfriend. Polish girls do that sometimes - the trick and guideline is to escalate fast and make sexual innuendo faster, then she will eject quicker. That happens also mostly during night Game.

[spalex]

English women - Fat, act like they are princesses, make me want to stab myself in the eyes with a letter-opener.

Polish women - Just generally not fat. That's why you are blown away OP. Because you seen three skinny girls in the one day. Too bad polish people don't know how to dress.

[ksbms]

(05-06-2015 03:06 AM)averagebritguy Wrote:  

I go out, enjoy life, have fun, talk to people, flirt with girls [...]

Looks to me like you're running game!

[262]

While I can't directly speak about English women, I must say that the non-white foreigner bonus in Poland is nice. Using American women as a crude substitute for English women, my guess is that that bonus at best is neutralized, if not reversed.

[WalterBlack]

I was in UK for the last 2 weeks and I got back to the US last night. I wasn’t out there trying to pull girls because I went there for family reasons.

I was out and about in my home town’s shopping centre on a couple of days and I noticed that the quality of white English girls seems to be getting worse. They seem to be getting fatter, but not on disgusting American landwhale levels yet. God knows what the state of them will be in 10 years.

The Eastern European women were almost all thinner than the native English girls. I do think that this forum does overhype Polish women - whilst there were many hot Polish women, there’s also a lot of ugly ones too. In London most of the hottest white women I saw were Eastern European.

Funnily enough I spotted a couple of English 8s at LAX…were the English 8s in hiding when I was in UK?!

(05-05-2015 08:59 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

All the UK chicks i've met, a handful when I think about it, love American guys because Americans in general are very confident and happy about the future (delusional). If they're somewhat passable physically, I find the accents and their personalities ....dare I say....delightful....*ducks tea and crumpets thrown my way* And the Nigerian and Indian ones are quite fetching to me.

UK Indian chicks are definitely hotter on average than the ones in the US. UK also has hot hijab wearing Pakistani women around, but approaching them in public could be very risky. US is better for Chinese women.

I think the Westfield mall in Stratford would be a good spot to game cute UK African and UK South Asian girls.

[262]

(07-27-2015 04:54 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I do think that this forum does overhype Polish women - whilst there were many hot Polish women, there’s also a lot of ugly ones too.

Pretty sure you're talking about Polish women in the UK, and not Polish women in Poland. Correct?

I'm not implying they're all models, but coming from the US, Poland is an obvious step up in terms of feminine looks, behaviors, AND personalities. I'm not sure American girls even know what perfume is, for instance.

[mogsy]

There are of course attractive english girls but many lose the points they have due to being overweight, dress badly or just generally rough. There does seem to be a lot of guys who then come to the assumption is she isn't fat then she is hot due to the obese women around them. The ones that are attractive, slim, dress well and look after themselves are the minority and of course they know this and act like the typically stereotype, the ones that are friendly are the ones worthwhile.

Most of the attractive girls I would see at night time would usually be from europe, in most cases the polish women I have met have been much more receptive compared to the local english women. The ones I have met also don't find english people to be very friendly and combined this with the drunk guy approach it can be sometimes difficult to get passed the drunk guy stereotype at night time. If you like the ones that have moved to the UK then you will probably enjoy Poland itself a lot.

[262]

(07-28-2015 02:19 AM)mogsy Wrote:  

There does seem to be a lot of guys who then come to the assumption is she isn't fat then she is hot due to the obese women around them.

In the US I think this is why almost any group of girls has at least one fat friend in it (aside from the overall obesity problem). Their forebrains probably rationalize it as, "we're helping this unfortunate friend," while their hindbrains, that are actually in the driver's seat, are saying, "this fat-ass is going to make us look better in comparison."

[WalterBlack]

(07-28-2015 01:04 AM)262 Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 04:54 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I do think that this forum does overhype Polish women - whilst there were many hot Polish women, there’s also a lot of ugly ones too.

Pretty sure you're talking about Polish women in the UK, and not Polish women in Poland. Correct?

Yes. I've never been to Poland.