[Renzy]

(03-22-2015 02:44 PM)Nalka Wrote:  

Choice of theme is based on how much relative power a ideological movement has.

When you are weak and fighting a cultural hegemony you promote free speech, the right to be different, rebellion, nonconformity and open debate.

When you are powerful you shut down free speech, pillory people for thinking differently, cast rebellion as evil, conformity to one ideal as the only good and shut down debate like your life depends on it.

This is a really good point and probably goes a long way to explain why liberals have become so authoritarian when it comes to policing people's speech and the views they're "allowed" to express: the culture war is over, they won, and now they want to close the door behind them on free speech and open debate.

[AnonymousBosch]

Three more I forgot:

Media distrust vs media control.
Corporate demonization vs corporate worship.
Individualism through uniquity vs individualism through conformity.

[Alpone]

SJWs pre-2000 were more concerned with improving opportunities/abilities for disadvantaged groups while basically leaving white males alone. There was merit to some of their work as it focused on education, personal responsibility, and up-their-ass 3rd worlder 'humanitarian' trips. While annoying, they didn't do harm to society and were relegated to college campuses.

The current viral strain of SJWs wants to reset the finish post of a 5 mile marathon to 1 mile so even the slowest runner qualifies. Gender/racial differences disappear as long as everyone finishes the race, but paradoxically these SJWs focus on race/gender to the point of absurdity . As long as nobody is "judged" and feelings aren't hurt, it's all good. It's also not enough for minorities/women to win. White hetero males now have to lose and lose big in the name of "equality".

Somewhat related: There was a story about a new app that lets parents know when they leave their kid in a hot car through a txt. I found this ridiculous and a total absolution of personal responsibility and basic parenting skills. It's basically setting the bar so low for parenting that placing your kid in a potentially deadly environment is "no biggie" cause now there's an app for that. Most of the comments were along the lines of: "Parenting is haaarrd and this could happen to any mother." The societal trend seems to be that parents should not be judged harshly for being irresponsible cause, like, life is crazy and stuff?

[Wutang]

(03-22-2015 12:25 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Anonymous Bosch is right - the old SJW contradict sometimes squarely the new topics of SJWs.

Even second wave feminism says the opposite of the current campus feminists. It reminds me of this little clip - fast forward to 13:50 where you will see a prominent second wave feminist saying that they find it strange that the current "sisters" are using the same anti-sex-liberation arguments of the former patriarchal colleges. The current generation seems to want to be chaperoned seemingly reversing the sexual liberation. (In reality it will just give women the power to incarcerate any man on any flimsy reason.)

There's been a big war between second wave and third wave feminism for a while now. Something I noticed, especially when it comes to the subject of, sex is that second wavers, while Puritanical are at least internally consistent with their principles.

Second wavers:
- anti-porn
- anti-sex work
- anti sexual objectifying of women which mean
- dislike of the aggressiveness and dominance in the nature of men
- dislike of conforming to traditional gender roles. Ever notice how a lot of 2nd waves seem to also dislike makeup and dressing up?

As you can see from the above list, these values tend to result in pretty dour women. However, it's easily seen how each of these values support each other or at least do not contradict each other.

Third wavers:
- "sex positive" so celebrates sex work and porn or at least tolerates it and supports it a personal choice for a woman
- but at the same time complains about how women are sexualized in media

- Supports the right of women to pose half naked and to flaunt their body sexually ie. "Show it if you got it, you go girl"-isms
- But at the same time will moan about how a fictional video game character has an outfit that's too form fitting or exposes too much flesh.

- Talks about disliking "dude bros" and frat boy douchebags and other stereotypical "white cis males"
-...but ends up dating guys with these characteristics

- Unlike 2nd wave feminists, will typically have no issues with using make up, dressing up, and doing other traditionally feminine things when it comes to improving one's looks
- But will also complain endlessly about "fat shaming", "body shaming", and how women are overly judged on their appearance.

As you can see, the third wavers are pretty much all over the place when it comes to issues they support. One moment they'll support issue A and then the next moment support issue B would contradicts the values espoused by issue A. Since all these different issues they are in favor contradict each other, the only thing I can think of that holds them all together is that they appeal to whatever a girl is feeling at the moment. If she feels hot and attractive then she'll be all for gussying herself up and bombarding her social media accounts with selfies since it's super empowering for her to express her in this way and you are just a old-fogey hater if you call her out for her attention whoring. If she's feeling ugly and haggard then you are an asshole for suggesting that she fixes up her hair and dress in something besides sweat pants. YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO DADDY.

[The Father]

(03-20-2015 08:10 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 08:08 PM)la_mode Wrote:  

They typically supported causes like "Free Tibet" or "Free Darfur" as their main platform.

Don't forget this one:

I remember "Free Mumia" in Philly; this wasn't popular there.

I'm so old that I remember "Boycott South Africa" b/c it was Apartheid. That was the big thing when I was in college...Reagan wouldn't have it. Obviously the anti-Apartheid people won, which is a good thing b/c now S. Africa and especially Zimbabwe can be crime-ridden basket cases instead of the prosperous paradises they were 30 years ago. Whew. Glad we got that one right!

[AnonymousBosch]

(03-22-2015 08:53 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

As you can see, the third wavers are pretty much all over the place when it comes to issues they support. One moment they'll support issue A and then the next moment support issue B would contradicts the values espoused by issue A.

My feeling on this is we're actually in Fourth Wave Feminism, and those who label such things haven't noticed yet.

All these contradictions you're observing are evidence of the rapidly-forming schism between third and fourth wave feminists. The third wave ideas are rapidly-falling out of fashion, but, as with any transitory-period, it sometimes takes a while for certain attitudes to die off.

I'd label the schism as Post Social Media: Twitter and Tumblr birthed the Fourth Wave feminists, where a particular combination of real world social anxiety, constant hugbox immersion and the narcissism cultivated via persona curation has combined into a particularly toxic stew of pure zealotry and depression-fuelled fantasies of power and violence.

I'd posit that any girl who has gone through the Humanities Mill whilst connected to Social Media post-2008 or so, has emerged as a Radical Fourth-Wave Feminist only interested in segregation from or subjugation of men. You'll notice the fourth-wavers are becoming openly-contemptuous of the concept of 'Allies' that third-wavers adored. The recent creation of 'Cis' is nothing but a hate slur for normality. They aren't interested in getting along.

Given am obvious fascist belief in the righteousness of their cause, and the violent undercurrent at play in the rhetoric of Fourth Wavers, I believe the level of Puritan Zealotry at play will eventually erupt into violence, and this will be the defining break with Third Wavers. Note the recent vandalisation of the UVA Frat House, and if you observe Gamergate, it's barely an undercurrent: their discourse is extremely bitter and both physically-and-sexually violent.

They despise men and normality.

As such, I'd expect two things: a mass shooting of College Men by Fourth Wave Feminists within the next ten years; and for Feminism to be a dirty word within twenty.

Add to my previous list: Allies vs Minions.

[zombiejimmorrison]

I think we can all agree this brain map summarizes SJW's and lefties pretty nicely

[AnonymousBosch]

^ Oh, I forgot to mention that Fourth Wave Radical Feminists are a different beast to Second and Third Wave Radfems, so I'd also expect a Public Schism sometime soon over the Trannie Issue.

[Yatagan]

(03-23-2015 01:56 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

^ Oh, I forgot to mention that Fourth Wave Radical Feminists are a different beast to Second and Third Wave Radfems, so I'd also expect a Public Schism sometime soon over the Trannie Issue.

Speaking of trannies, the first "woman" posted in the picture collage of women in the "woman" page on wiki is a tranny:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman

[Suits]

(03-20-2015 08:08 PM)la_mode Wrote:  

Thinking back to my college days on a traditionally liberal major college campus, I remember now seeing what we'd call SJW's today. Pretty easy to spot, they were usually either drama/English/Film majors and sort of dressed like hippies.

Think back to the late 90s/early 2000s.

My parents were old school SJWs. I know this, because after 25 years of being their spawn, I finally figured it out.

How I discovered that my parents were SJWs.

1) They faithfully planted a garden every summer when I was a kid, canned much of the produce and ate it throughout the year. They did NOT bitch about evil farm corporations or GMOs.

2) They lived a life a relative simplicity. Minimized their vehicle needs to one car and after a brief attempt at being vegetarians (before I was born, I think), they just decided to eat a small healthy portion of meat at each meal and limited it to that. They did NOT bitch about the evils of the meat industry.

3) They donated money to a few causes that they supported, but NEVER talked about it.

4) They did NOT start a blog.

5) They focused their energies and money on raising their children well. This was their one priority for 30 years until the last child moved out two years ago. Every single one of their kids, turned out very respectably.

6) They visited the local elementary school when my sister was 4 and weren't impressed by the kindergarten teacher telling them that "there are no bad people, only people who made mistakes." Instead of blogging about this, they spent the next 25 years homeschool/sending their children to private schools at great personal expense.

7) They never talked about racism. Instead, they treated everyone equally. All of their children are incredibly accepting of everyone they meet.

8) They started a local pro-life organization that ended up having a membership of hundreds of people. Instead of primarily complaining about abortion and euthanasia, they focused on celebrating life.

They didn't protest abortion clinics with pictures of aborted fetuses. Rather, they'd participate in or organize the odd walkathon or event where pictures of healthy, unaborted children were held and used slogans like "Chose Life" and "Life is Precious." Their main activities involved receiving and distributing clothing, baby supplies and support for women that decided to keep a child, instead of aborting it and publishing a quarterly newsletter before the days of wide-spread Internet use.

My parents started having kids in the early 80's and raised them through the 90's and 00's.

By the 00's, they were no longer involved in SJW activities, as they were too busy working hard to support their five children.

[TheWastelander]

I agree with Zelscorpion on this. The difference between "old" SJWs and new SJWs is just that the people who come up with their stupid ideas have shifted focus from things no actually gives a shit about (Free Tibet, Mumia, etc.) anymore to crap they've conditioned people to be easily outraged over. It is part of a media industry that only came into existence when internet usage became more ubiquitous.

Before the internet, left-wing activism occurred primarily on college campuses and no one cared because the nineties were a time of great prosperity and word had to be spread locally. This was also just a couple years after the Cold War ended and their intellectuals were still reeling from the dissolution of the great worker's paradise they spent 60s through the 80s defending. They were a rudderless lot, moving from one dumb cause to the next.

You still had the same kind of people involved but they didn't have a huge megaphone.

It's important to remember that every now and then, after a staggering defeat, the left switches their focus. When the economics-focused communist movement was rejected here even when it should've made significant headway (during the Depression, for instance) they moved on to cultural marxism and exploited racial tensions in the West.

The new-SJWism ramped up in the late 2000s with a new generation who was both raised with touchy feely 'equality' and 'don't judge anyone ever' propaganda. Being an SJW is activism that requires no sacrifice whatsoever and it would be nothing if it wasn't for the internet, the big media sites, etc.

You'd have left-wing college professors whining about these issues and a few people caring but that'd be it.

It's all about money, feel good bullshit and attention, just like most things in this country. It's like a damn cult.

I'd also like to add that these types of people will always win in the long run in a democracy with universal suffrage. Like flies to shit, they are attracted to positions of influence where they can shape and mold the mindset of future generations. 80% of teachers in this country are women. How many of those do you think would call themselves feminists? I'd bet nearly all of them would and the curriculum they teach is written largely by left-wing professors.

They have an ideology, causes to fanatically support and tangible goals. Meanwhile the right has no unifying ideology and few unifying causes. They're also way behind the curve when it comes to the media and internet. Andrew Breitbart knew how to use both effectively and that's why the left in this country absolutely HATED him.

[Dr. Howard]

I don't know about painting the 90s/rage against the machine era SJWs with such a nice brush. Here is my experience from that time:

I was big into punk rock and so got the whole 'bad corporations' thing, the local dudes what were really into it were also ridiculous white knights (though the term had not been invented yet). I never was 'actively protesting' or anything like that. That part was fine...but holy fuck let me tell you about environmentalists.

I think that environmentalist (and anti fur) tactics morphed into the SJW strategy of today. There were people chaining themselves to trees, burning logging equipment, bursting into tears at town hall meetings, shaming people for not recycling or printing emails. It was crazy, it was dogmatic and it was like the rape hysteria of today. We hired season workers and had people quit once they found out our contracts were for 'evil clearcutters' without understanding that they were doing restoration work...

Worst of all, these psychos would spike trees. What is tree spiking you say? Tree spiking is nailing a large steel peg into a tree...it likely won't kill the tree, but can introduce disease. The idea is that if you hit a tree spike with a chainsaw, guess what happens. Your chainsaw explodes and injures or kills the logger. Also, forest firefighters can't cut firebreaks for the same risk of death and when a fire starts the whole forest burns down because they can't cut control lines (real case).

In Canada, these environmentalists succeeded in 'protecting areas' by turning tens of thousands of acres into remote parkland where no roads or facilities development was allowed. Not only was logging excluded, but you couldn't drive in with a boat and go fishing, the only way you can use these parks is if you can take a month of of work and have the money to pay a chartered plane and outfitter to fly your gear in and pick you up...aka they became exclusive playgrounds for rich hippies and excluded the local working man or family vacationer. Again, a similar parallel to today where those who lost employment as loggers, were restricted on weekend fishing and hunting or family vacation areas were...working class men.

So, while the general free tibet or 'big corps are bad' SJW was pretty tame back then, your rabid environmentalist was not and reminds me of the feminists of today...both tend to hail from Toronto as well.

[DannyAlberta]

(03-22-2015 11:34 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

My feeling on this is we're actually in Fourth Wave Feminism, and those who label such things haven't noticed yet.

...

They despise men and normality.

...

couldn't agree more that we've entered 4th wave feminism. 3rd wave feminism was about changing the rules and the system (usually by statism) to ensure substantive equality between men and women as opposed to formal equality under the law (in other words, to ensure equality of outcome and not just opportunity). it was an extremely damaging ideology, in that it was the opposite of a meritocracy.

however, 4th wave feminism ™ is not about equality at all. it is about power and female supremacy. period. that is why it is full of inherent contradictions, not only to some of 2nd and 3rd wave feminist ideas, but also sometimes contradicting itself. the proper answer to any societal question asked by the 4th wave feminist is the answer that will prefer the woman's status, rights, choices and power over any man. because woman > man.

EDIT: forgot to add that one reason someone might have trouble distinguishing 3rd and 4th wave feminism is because they still insist that the powers of the state (statism) be used to enforce their policies and theories. so that tactic hasn't changed. the goal of equal outcomes has, however. a 4th waver wants superiority of outcome for women, and wants the government to ensure that.

[8ball]

The major difference between the old vs new SJW is the corporate and institution alliances they have struck. The old swj were always the underdog struggling to win very small meaningless battles vs the big dogs. Today's SJW are ponds in a bigger game of political and corporate take over. They have managed to develop a successful business model by working in concert with media oligarchs, left leaning rich donors and academic institutions.

For the formula to work, everyone needs to gain something and the people at the top make a killing. The media oligarchs support the agenda because they gain access to a new market. Previously it was feminist and gays while today its transexuals. Its not a coincidence that a tranny show won the golden globe. A show i might add that no one watched, but amazon(the studio that produced it) is tapping into a new market using all of its influence to be first to profit from it.

Academic institutions gain a lot of $$ because they can create more degrees by combining useless courses like "white privilege" + "queer cinema" + "women in pop culture"(yes these are all real courses) and charging $50,000 to pay for overpaid college professors, losing sports teams and an incompetent administration. They promote media outlets that promote these causes and in return these media outlets promote the institutions back. Brainwashed by their college professor and the media, students start paying attention to products produced by corporations that donate to a 'cause'. There is a reason why corporation donate to feminist frequency and its not just tax relief. Non media corporations that buy in get the benefit of a young customer base.

You see, the money train has left the station and there is now way back. Even if there is a "schism" between the new SJWs on how to deal with 'new markets' like trannies it doesn't matter, its all about money. For the business model to continue, there has to bee more issues created of thin air, more false studies, more TV coverage. If it even stops for minute the entire model gets disrupted and the pyramid comes crashing down. A new study on how we are all rapist is like heroin money to Brown university and the Huffington post. Its an instant and intense fix, they will not stop.

The older generation were handing out poorly designed pamphlets and interrupting speeches in a futile attempt to get some news coverage. All the new breed as to do is post online that a hotel she stayed at is anti feminist and word will spread to 1000 papers the next day, the poster will get invited to daily show in a special 1 hour segment.

[N°6]

Old school SJW were non-Conformist Christians. In UK terms, they were members of the Free Churches such as the Methodists, Presbyterians and Salvation Army militants. They helped out in the poor houses, work houses, and came up with novel ideas that if the working class learnt how to read the Bible and general literature, it would less likely be exploited by the state churches and the land and factory owners.

The main difference between old school SJWs and the ones of the New Left is the latter's complete and under disdain for the Western working classes, nominal Christian mores and its alliance with money power. The class struggle has been replaced by victimhood struggle by groups that have been invented for the purpose of passive-aggressive indignation. Money power and new SJWs both benefit from the limitless creation of new groups and niches which feel victimised from the mainstream.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-23-2015 11:01 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

I think that environmentalist (and anti fur) tactics morphed into the SJW strategy of today. There were people chaining themselves to trees, burning logging equipment, bursting into tears at town hall meetings, shaming people for not recycling or printing emails. It was crazy, it was dogmatic and it was like the rape hysteria of today. We hired season workers and had people quit once they found out our contracts were for 'evil clearcutters' without understanding that they were doing restoration work...

Worst of all, these psychos would spike trees. What is tree spiking you say? Tree spiking is nailing a large steel peg into a tree...it likely won't kill the tree, but can introduce disease. The idea is that if you hit a tree spike with a chainsaw, guess what happens. Your chainsaw explodes and injures or kills the logger. Also, forest firefighters can't cut firebreaks for the same risk of death and when a fire starts the whole forest burns down because they can't cut control lines (real case).

In Canada, these environmentalists succeeded in 'protecting areas' by turning tens of thousands of acres into remote parkland where no roads or facilities development was allowed. Not only was logging excluded, but you couldn't drive in with a boat and go fishing, the only way you can use these parks is if you can take a month of of work and have the money to pay a chartered plane and outfitter to fly your gear in and pick you up...aka they became exclusive playgrounds for rich hippies and excluded the local working man or family vacationer. Again, a similar parallel to today where those who lost employment as loggers, were restricted on weekend fishing and hunting or family vacation areas were...working class men.

Yeah - Greenpeace for example morphed from a sensible true eco-warrior organization into a marxist anti-human completely mindless terrorist cell subservient to global goals.

Here a talk by one of the co-founders who all left Greenpeace in the 1990s since they could not support the crap:

If you want to see a real eco-warrior in action compare it to the old as well as the new SJW:

He is a Canadian and is:

+ pro logging which if well done is more sustainable than concrete and steel
+ pro nuclear power, but fission reactors as well as alternative nuclear reactors
+ pro humans seeing us as part of nature and not as some parasites
+ pro CO2 emissions - stating that 380ppm is dangerously close to 150-200ppm which would cause already many plants to die (at 150 ppm ALL PLANTS DIE causing a world-wide genocide and start releasing CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere causing a rapid spike of CO2 levels - happened in the past - according to this scientist he prefers if we have CO2 levels at 800ppm - so more activity is better)
+ pro water power

- he protested against brutal whale fishing and seal slaughter for fur
- he is against the current stupid mostly useless solar and the deadly inefficient wind power madness

The old and new SJWs are following top-down created thought propaganda - that is why the sensible greens were all ousted from organizations like Greenpeace. Oh - and never mind that the current greens are all marxists.



Pharrell Williams with fitting Lenin/Mao cap preaching the new GAIA nonsense that paying CO2 taxes will save us all.

Meanwhile his real lifestyle:



But at least that is similar to the old SJW who were successful - preaching poverty and austerity for you while living in a lifestyle far beyond the common man.

And I am not even hating on wealth and grand lifestyle - I am just against all that crappy hypocrisy.

The new SJW are the young communist legions of yesteryear.

[Sp5]

There's a real need for an organized left on economic issues like wages, financial bailouts, cheap imported H-1B workers, and the ever-growing pervasiveness of ripoffs in everyday American life. We need young dynamic Ralph Naders and Walter Reuthers.

America also needs a serious antiwar movement, not clowns with "Free Mumia" signs.

All of this screaming "rape!" is one way to distract from that.

[Wutang]

(03-23-2015 01:53 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

Old school SJW were non-Conformist Christians. In UK terms, they were members of the Free Churches such as the Methodists, Presbyterians and Salvation Army militants. They helped out in the poor houses, work houses, and came up with novel ideas that if the working class learnt how to read the Bible and general literature, it would less likely be exploited by the state churches and the land and factory owners.

The main difference between old school SJWs and the ones of the New Left is the latter's complete and under disdain for the Western working classes, nominal Christian mores and its alliance with money power. The class struggle has been replaced by victimhood struggle by groups that have been invented for the purpose of passive-aggressive indignation. Money power and new SJWs both benefit from the limitless creation of new groups and niches which feel victimised from the mainstream.

I've posted this multiple times on this forum but it's worth linking to again since it's very relevant to our current discussion about the origin of SJWs and more specifically, how it rose from "heretical" post-Reformation Protestant sects. This applies to at least the Anglo world, not so sure about other societies.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/thread/1...ay/?page=1

(the following is not my work. EXTREMELY enlightening though)

"John Gray is one of a line of authors that see that the majority of western political movements are heavily influenced by Christianity, namely Protestantism.

I consider myself somewhat left leaning, but it's almost impossible to discuss this historical influence with my fellow left wingers. If I say to them, "You know that American progressivism is the memetic offspring of North-Eastern American puritanism and you can trace the same ideas and themes all the way back to the heretical sects of the Protestant reformation?"

The typical reply of my lefty friends is something like, "LOL YEAH RIGHT, RIGHT WINGERS ARE TEH RELIGIOUS NUTBALLS HURP DURP."

Then you show them historical documentation (like the eminent historian Norman Cohn's books on millenarianist sects) and ask them to select what behavior in the books describe heretical Christian sects, and the 60s new left hippies behavior. The 60s new left are almost the exact same as sects like the Ranters from the 1600s, except they don't believe in a God (but that doesn't make them any less creepy. Also see McKenna's "The Puritan Origins of American Patriotism" on the New Left as a secular religious sect).

I mean shit, even the editor of Dissent magazine (!) has written about the puritanical influence on the American left (See the Preface of Staloff's "The Making of an American Thinking Class: Intellectuals and Intelligentsia in Puritan Massachusetts").

Joe Ray, when I started reading about this type of history I had a complete mind fuck. I dunno how you responded to it, but my worldview has changed on it seeing politics more as a religious war, than political.

It's also made me see that when the right wing of American politics calls the left "Anti-American" the left's behavior really isn't Anti-American per se. American progressivism is ULTRA American, in the sense they want America to live up to it's original Puritanical values. It's also the most successful non-theistic Christian sect on the planet at the moment, if you want a real mindfuck, ask yourself how many of these progressives are also *atheists* and generally disdain their more neanderthal-esque evangelical cousins on the right and wish they'd be thrown out of politics. In a sense they are prosecuting right wing Christians because of the remnants of their crazed puritanical religion that has turned secular, more than for any atheistic reasons. It's more crazy than any fictional story someone could come up with. "




A last note from me, I don't think it's a mere coincidence that a lot of the social justice movements that have been successful in the last 2 centuries have been due to them being supported by New England WASPs. If you trace the ancestry of a lot of the SJWs you see today, I think you'll find a lot of them most likely had ancestors of WASP extraction even if they are currently non-religious or even anti-religion.

[N°6]

(03-23-2015 09:40 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

A last note from me, I don't think it's a mere coincidence that a lot of the social justice movements that have been successful in the last 2 centuries have been due to them being supported by New England WASPs. If you trace the ancestry of a lot of the SJWs you see today, I think you'll find a lot of them most likely had ancestors of WASP extraction even if they are currently non-religious or even anti-religion.

The more you look at it there appears to be the link between modern Social Justice Movements and the WASP axis of New England and the Oxford and Cambridge academic regions of England. I can add that these regions are riddled with Freemasonry which has been the vehicle through which Puritanism replaced the Almighty by Man - or Woman as is more the case these days.

I would caution equating Puritanism with Protestantism though. Modern SJWs often speak of the separation of church and state (while contradicting themselves by saying that the state should levy tax from the churches) but the reason why the institutions were separated in the US was because the Baptists did not want to be ruled by Puritans.

[Wutang]

^ Good point. The poster that I linked to was coflating Puritanism and Protestantism and I was too, a mistake. What I was posting above would not apply to modern Evangelicals and fundies and the poster who I quoted actually talked about how these new secular atheist Puritans "dain their more neanderthal-esque evangelical cousins on the right and wish they'd be thrown out of politics" which you can see mirrored today when you see these New England WASPs beret and face palm over say Southern Baptists and conservative Evangelicals.

Congregationalists and United Church of Christ (which Obama was actually a member of prior to the drama with during his first presidential campaign) are the direct descendants of these Puritans. Other denominations which are not directly Puritan descended but tend to have lots of WASPs with SJW views are Episcopalians (probably the ultimate WASP denomination), Methodists, Presbyterians, and other mainline Protestant denominations. A lot these people are not practicing Christians and might even be hostile towards religion but the influence is still there. You see a similar phenomenon with many Jews today.

[AnonymousBosch]

(03-22-2015 11:34 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Given am obvious fascist belief in the righteousness of their cause, and the violent undercurrent at play in the rhetoric of Fourth Wavers, I believe the level of Puritan Zealotry at play will eventually erupt into violence, and this will be the defining break with Third Wavers. Note the recent vandalisation of the UVA Frat House, and if you observe Gamergate, it's barely an undercurrent: their discourse is extremely bitter and both physically-and-sexually violent.

They despise men and normality.

As such, I'd expect two things: a mass shooting of College Men by Fourth Wave Feminists within the next ten years; and for Feminism to be a dirty word within twenty.

I've noticed over the last couple of days, the Fourth Wave SJW are now publicly-discussing the need for public violence as a 'legitimate political strategy', inspired by the recent riots in Ferguson and Baltimore. Here's the predictable schism with the pacifist third-wavers forming before our eyes, born out the degenerate authoritarian's inevitable descent from puritanism into fascism.

Here's a sample of the kind of discussion I'm seeing:

Quote:

I have been thinking lately ... ... about the difference between violence and militancy–the difference between action which is destructive, and action which works consciously to destroy debasing and unjust systems.... ... What Roy’s talk suggests is not that non-violence is impotent or wrong, but that it is a tactic more than a philosophy. Sometimes it is useful, and sometimes other kinds of action are needed, and make more sense. Every day, oppressed people make their own decisions about what type of action will work for them, their families, their communities.

And here's Benjamin Hart, writing in Salon:

Quote:

I do not advocate non-violence—particularly in a moment like the one we currently face. In the spirit and words of militant Black and Brown feminist movements from around the globe, I believe it is crucial that we see non-violence as a tactic, not a philosophy.

Non-violence is a type of political performance designed to raise awareness and win over sympathy of those with privilege. When those on the outside of struggle—the white, the wealthy, the straight, the able-bodied, the masculine—have demonstrated repeatedly that they do not care, are not invested, are not going to step in the line of fire to defend the oppressed, this is a futile political strategy. It not only fails to meet the needs of the community, but actually puts oppressed people in further danger of violence.

The keyboard warrior in question, looking exactly as expected:





This concept of violence in the name of social justice perfectly plays into their darkly-violent fantasies, so I'm not surprised to see finally enter into mainstream discussion, and expect it to be normalised by the end of the year, especially as George Soros is funding articles selling this idea in media outlets like Vox.

soros-group-advocates-violence-against-cops-in-baltimore

Given how desperately White SJW's long for the martyrdom they could get from being a person of colour, I expect them to leap all over this.

Of course, their solidarity isn't stopping them from being attacked:

Brutal Press Beatings Worry Advocates

It should be hilarious when these SJW's start trying to enact this philosophy, so I'm expecting a couple of Feminists with Guns to do some serious damage somewhere along the line.

[Yatagan]

Speaking of Salon, I found this relating to both gamergate and the baltimore riot.

[Wutang]

I just saw someone post this comic up on my Facebook feed

https://thenib.com/great-moments-in-peac...4bdadb44cf

I wonder if all these calls for violence is going to lead to a big reprisal from the govt.

[AnonymousBosch]

(04-29-2015 10:34 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

I just saw someone post this comic up on my Facebook feed

https://thenib.com/great-moments-in-peac...4bdadb44cf

I wonder if all these calls for violence is going to lead to a big reprisal from the govt.

It's fascinating to see just how quickly this concept has been adopted by the media and SJW's even in the last 24 hours.

Here's privileged, middle class Kristina Marusic - a product of a leftist university system that considers hugging as 'rape', glorifying violent anarchy for MTV: a real 'rape' culture.

http://www.mtv.com/news/2145392/heres-wh...ore-riots/

No prizes for what the brain dead bitch looks like:



The Fourth Wave schism, happening as predicted. She deserves what's coming. Of course, the naïve cunt thinks being 'right on' means it won't happen to her.

[Wutang]

The Onion is getting in on it too. All the usual media outlets are acting in unison

http://www.theonion.com/articles/baltimo...:1:Default