[Sonsowey]

For a time I practiced Capoeira, which if you are not familiar, is a kind of musical acrobatic dance fight. I liked it for many reasons, the Portuguese, the music, the atmosphere, and the fun nature of actually playing Capoeira, which is reappy more like a game than a real martial art.

But my knees always hurt terribly. Capoeira involves lots of lunges and movements from a lunge position, and frequently I would feel sjarp shooting pains in my knee for days after just trying to stand up.

All the people there, from the owner to the trainers all just said "that will go away with time, you just need to train more". Well after more than a year it did bot go away, abd after asking many times no one was able to provide any actionable advice, and so I stopped for my knees sake, even though I really enjoyed it besides that.

I recently ran into an acquaintance from Capoeira and mentioned this, and he had the attitude that the knee pain was really unavoidable, and something you just have to accept as part of it.

For those of you who practice sports or martial arts regularly, does this sound sensible? Just deal with consistent pain and shrug it off? This seems like you are setting yourself up for big problems later, and if you cant practice something without serious joint pain you are better off leaving it be.

To be clear I am not talking about sore muscles I am talking about shooting pains in my knee unlike anything I have ever felt before that would prevent me from walking normally.

[Foolsgo1d]

Cartilage. Its the part of your joint which allows the bones to move freely. But should it wear down or start to stretch then that will lead to a life of pain and surgery later in life.

High impact sports; Tennis, squash, ski-ing, weightlifting and martial arts will lead to your joints becoming worn down and in need of surgery down the line.

I was working in a guys home once and he had problems going up the stairs. He said it was painful. He played squash regularly. Any idiot that says you'll get used to it is deluded and the type of person to tell you to hit a solid surface to toughen up your bones.

Go see a specialist.

[Rocha]

(03-10-2015 05:49 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

For a time I practiced Capoeira, which if you are not familiar, is a kind of musical acrobatic dance fight. I liked it for many reasons, the Portuguese, the music, the atmosphere, and the fun nature of actually playing Capoeira, which is reappy more like a game than a real martial art.

But my knees always hurt terribly. Capoeira involves lots of lunges and movements from a lunge position, and frequently I would feel sjarp shooting pains in my knee for days after just trying to stand up.

All the people there, from the owner to the trainers all just said "that will go away with time, you just need to train more". Well after more than a year it did bot go away, abd after asking many times no one was able to provide any actionable advice, and so I stopped for my knees sake, even though I really enjoyed it besides that.

I recently ran into an acquaintance from Capoeira and mentioned this, and he had the attitude that the knee pain was really unavoidable, and something you just have to accept as part of it.

For those of you who practice sports or martial arts regularly, does this sound sensible? Just deal with consistent pain and shrug it off? This seems like you are setting yourself up for big problems later, and if you cant practice something without serious joint pain you are better off leaving it be.

To be clear I am not talking about sore muscles I am talking about shooting pains in my knee unlike anything I have ever felt before that would prevent me from walking normally.

Seems you made a rupture of the cruciate ligaments.
Only a magnetic resonance will confirm this. Check your doctor.

[Savoir faire]

Sonsowey,
Sorry to hear about your injuries.I had joint troubles (mainly shoulders) for many years and have had to quit training a few times.

The best results I have had have been from going totally paleo. Nothing inflammatory in my diet. And I make sure I get plenty of D3/sunlight. Getting good results from this in many areas of my life.

Part of my reasoning here is related to trying to improve the tone/quality of my fascia, which makes up around 22% of our body weight and is formed in long tracks or "trains" from head to toe and provides the structural integrity of our body. Kinks in the track can screw you up. But it takes a while to "re-lay" your fascia into correct lines.

The very interesting book to get hold of on this is is "Anatomy Trains".

https://www.anatomytrains.com/product/an...k-posters/

[DarkTriad]

First see a specialist, and get the OK from him. And try and get prescription to see a physical therapist. There is a lot you can do with compensatory exercises and such. I've been doing martial arts pretty fanatically for decades, sometimes as a fairly elite competitor....and sometimes as a borderline cripple. Listen to your body, if it's telling you that you can't do something, sometimes you can't. Try and follow the art of the possible, and find ways to train and do the things you love that are sustainable. Some arts and forms of training I can't do anymore, but I've built a very deep skill set over the years, and keep training in the things I can do. I was a respected hard nosed competitor back in the day, and I teach, which gives me the ability to just avoid the aspects of training that just aren't practical anymore, while I keep developing in the areas I can, and enjoy the joy the art gives me every day.

Also, it's not your imagination, the martial arts are full of meat heads that will do hurtful training with you because they don't know any better and are too arrogant to learn.

[Blackwell]

Get some Great Lakes Beef Gelatin Collagen Supplement Green Can.

Somebody on here recommend it. I bought some and it virtually eradicated every single one of my joint issues. Shoulders, knees, elbows all that pain just lessening week on week.

I think this stuff is incredible. I highly recommend you get some.

Bone broths are good too. Possibly better. The Gelatin supplement is more convenient and cleaner.

Edit: If necessary buy in bulk and start taking mega doses. If your pain is real bad and you have the money to invest in yourself I'd go that route. It gets the healing process started, it states in the back that it's considered an anti aging supplement and it's supposed to create synovial fluid for the joints. For me it feels like it has. I hope all of you can will reap the benefits like I did.

[monster]

Mega dose fish oil 10+g of EPA/DHA daily.

[budoslavic]

Note: My background is strictly in traditional martial arts (Japanese, Okinawan and Korean).

I first started training in 1992 in an Okinawan style for about 5 years. Then I moved to another city and started training in Tang Soo Do (TSD), which I did for about 5 years. But I switched over to a current Japanese style because of nagging ankle problems caused by TSD's constant kicking and jump kicks.

To answer your questions:

(03-10-2015 05:49 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

But my knees always hurt terribly. Capoeira involves lots of lunges and movements from a lunge position, and frequently I would feel sjarp shooting pains in my knee for days after just trying to stand up.

As you get older, your knees will become more and more painful. As the other posters mentioned, there is no question that you should see a specialist.

(03-10-2015 05:49 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

All the people there, from the owner to the trainers all just said "that will go away with time, you just need to train more". Well after more than a year it did bot go away, abd after asking many times no one was able to provide any actionable advice, and so I stopped for my knees sake, even though I really enjoyed it besides that.

I recently ran into an acquaintance from Capoeira and mentioned this, and he had the attitude that the knee pain was really unavoidable, and something you just have to accept as part of it.

How old are you? 20's? 30's? I would be wary of your knees' wear-and-tear because Capoeira can be harder on your body as you get older.

If you are still passionate in Capoeira training, you may want to read "Capoeira
Preventing and Rehabilitating Injuries".

(03-10-2015 05:49 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

For those of you who practice sports or martial arts regularly, does this sound sensible? Just deal with consistent pain and shrug it off? This seems like you are setting yourself up for big problems later, and if you cant practice something without serious joint pain you are better off leaving it be.

To be clear I am not talking about sore muscles I am talking about shooting pains in my knee unlike anything I have ever felt before that would prevent me from walking normally.

No, it doesn't sound sensible if you just deal with consistent pain and shrug it off. And yes, you are setting yourself up with bigger problems later. Having an extremely painful knee problems will be unpleasant for you to deal with.

My only advice is this: find another martial art style that is easier on your knees. Otherwise, see a specialist.

[MiscBrah]

I would possibly look into deca durabolin at low doses. Talk to your doctor.

I don't know if you are on TRT but only do this if you are.

You could also look into HGH therapy. You may find some relief there.

[BuffNerd]

I rub coconut oil on my elbows, knees, and wrists every morning and night.
It's cheaper than a lot of lotions in acting as a moisturizer.
There's also increasing evidence of it working well on individuals in relieving arthritic symptoms.

Joints can also get inflamed with sugar in your diet.
Cut the sugar for a bit and try adding healthy fats.

I've never heard anyone complain about the smell. And as the day goes on it goes away too.