[RexImperator]

I've logged everything I've eaten for almost two years (600+ days). It's not too hard to do with a smartphone.

[Game_Started]

(02-20-2015 04:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

The girl in black clothes... if she look carefully, she's obese. Her excuse: "I had birthday parties."

She's obese?? What?

Would wife up nutritionist hard though.

[The_CEO]

I guess this is why it's known as buzzFEED.

Sugar is an inflammatory and also breaks down the skin (and brain).

If they don't get that under control, the hammer will drop on their bodies soon...

[ManVsMachine]

the dude's response "well not at all at once" cracked me up though. just own it man

[scorpion]

I'm starting to believe that the willpower required to eat a clean diet in the face of the modern gross abundance of tasty junk food is something you either have or you don't. It's pretty much impossible to get people to stop eating this shit in my experience, even if they understand the logic and science perfectly. Most people are simply wired to prefer the short-term time horizon to the long term in general, and this seems to especially be the case in regards to food. I think it also ties in to the general delusion people have in regards to their own mortality and morbidity. Most people, especially younger people like in the video, do not really believe that their bodies will one day decay and eventually die. They might know this is a fact, but they don't believe it, and certainly don't give it any thought on a day to day basis. It usually takes a serious accident or health crisis to get people to realize their own mortality, and even then the lesson is often lost on many.

Junk food addiction is really comparable to alcoholism, in my opinion. It's something that some people are more prone to than others, and which they will struggle with for the rest of their lives. Also like alcoholism, most junk food addicts won't even begin to take the proper steps to remedy their situation until they face a "come to Jesus" moment of some type. It's not the sort of thing you can successfully turn around by reading a magazine or blog article, in 99% of cases. And successfully recovering from a junk food addiction is incredibly difficult due to how pervasive this crap is in society today. It's everywhere you go, and unlike alcoholics who can avoid bars and who at least don't need alcohol to survive for the rest of their lives, the junk food addict has to keep eating every day. The struggle is a never-ending one. It's a very serious problem they face personally, and obviously a huge (no pun intended) problem for society as well.

[eclipse]

(02-21-2015 08:00 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

I'm starting to believe that the willpower required to eat a clean diet in the face of the modern gross abundance of tasty junk food is something you either have or you don't. It's pretty much impossible to get people to stop eating this shit in my experience, even if they understand the logic and science perfectly.

I think its probably because they dont truly understand the logic/science. Millions of people for millions of years ate cleanly without needing willpower. I dont use any willpower at all to continue abstaining from junk food(I used to like it a lot as a child). It truly is the junk food addiction and the additives in them that keep people addicted. But it definitely is a relatively weak addiction- alcohol and other drugs are much stronger. Perhaps im unique, but I find even porn much harder to break.

They dont truly understand how their withdrawal would only take about 3-6 months, but they do benefit from being healthier almost immediately and indefinitely. Then anything they do would strictly be better than staying on the junk. Its not a willpower thing because avoiding junk is so easy to do once withdrawal finishes, and its not like withdrawal is that hard anyway.

Its just that they are retarded enough to keep doing what they are doing(or too hesitant to not change). The ones with decent careers work at least 10x harder on their job than I do simply just not thinking about junk food.

[RexImperator]

As far as overeating goes, willpower wasn't as necessary in the past because food was more expensive, and with regards to exercise, people were much more active by nature of their work.

[Basil Ransom]

"I'm starting to believe that the willpower required to eat a clean diet in the face of the modern gross abundance of tasty junk food is something you either have or you don't. It's pretty much impossible to get people to stop eating this shit in my experience, even if they understand the logic and science perfectly. "

Part of the problem is the abandon of traditional wisdom in dealing with temptation.

Years back, I heard secondhand of a sermon about a reality show called Temptation Island, where people in relationships would swap places with one another, and the show was about whether they'd cheat or not. The show's authenticity aside, the sermonizer said this is distinctly NOT the approach of his traditional faith - one doesn't EXPOSE oneself to temptation and then WILL oneself into acting righteously. The people who successfully avoid temptation are successful principally BECAUSE they don't incessantly expose themselves to temptation. But the modern attitude is that exposure is okay, it's our lacking will that is the problem, that we must work on. Corporations like this, because it doesn't work, and their success is often premised upon your impulse purchases.

If you resolve to avoid using your smartphone at work, will it be easier to do so if you have your phone always perched in front of you on your desk, or if you leave the phone at home? The answer is obvious, but excluded from the modern mindset. You're no more righteous for walking out of a brothel with blue balls. Even if you are successful, you are doomed to sin in the long run. But our individualistic culture says we should subject ourselves to all these temptations so we can make our own choice, to protect our autonomy.

I imagine that this approach is common to all of them, for it is simple traditional wisdom. Traditional wisdom is well aware of man's fallibility, and aims to equip man with the means to manage his weaknesses.

[berserk]

The major problem with modern diet is the lack of investment in getting it.

There is a disconnect between the actual aqquring of the food and the eating it. I think this is why women are more prone to get fat, they don't have a natural understanding of what getting food really means.

If you buy fresh and prepare from the ground up, I've found it very difficult to overeat. The more processed and the easier the food arrives, the easier it is. We're messing with the basic bodily function of calculating caloric and nutrient need from visual input.

I also rarely buy unhealthy food if I've done hard physical exercise. The modern lifestyle really is just too much like living in a zoo, fed 'treats' to behave in a docile manner.

[StrikeBack]

(02-20-2015 11:12 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

"In addition, the very act of shopping at a farmer's market is indicative of a woman actually thinking about the source of her food, placing her ahead of the majority of unthinking bovine Americans. "

I don't see prime prospects hitting up farmers markets, honestly. What I do see:

1. Older women alone (single or not): 30+
2. Young MILFs with kids in tow
3. Yuppie couples

When you do see young girls, they are almost never buying produce, just a hot breakfast burrito or something. As I've said before, American women largely neglect healthy habits for looking good until it's too late.

Same here.

When I started doing Day Game, one venue I integrated into my lifestyle was/is farmers / organic markets, thinking that I'd meet hotter, higher quality prospects there, because that's what everyone was saying.

In reality, I only see the 3 types you mentioned, plus the elderly.

I still go there to buy groceries, but I don't expect to meet any attractive girl.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-21-2015 11:55 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

Part of the problem is the abandon of traditional wisdom in dealing with temptation.

Years back, I heard secondhand of a sermon about a reality show called Temptation Island, where people in relationships would swap places with one another, and the show was about whether they'd cheat or not. The show's authenticity aside, the sermonizer said this is distinctly NOT the approach of his traditional faith - one doesn't EXPOSE oneself to temptation and then WILL oneself into acting righteously. The people who successfully avoid temptation are successful principally BECAUSE they don't incessantly expose themselves to temptation. But the modern attitude is that exposure is okay, it's our lacking will that is the problem, that we must work on. Corporations like this, because it doesn't work, and their success is often premised upon your impulse purchases.

...I imagine that this approach is common to all of them, for it is simple traditional wisdom. Traditional wisdom is well aware of man's fallibility, and aims to equip man with the means to manage his weaknesses.

Ay - that is absolutely true.

Smart girls don't get into situations where they know they may be tempted to cheat - girls' nights out, single travels with girlfriends, excessive flirting etc.

But currently all the diet advice is company created and boils down to: "Just keep it in small doses and you are fine eating McDonald's or the daily chocolate bar."

The advice is similar to someone advising you to take a hit of heroin and then using willpower to "manage" your subsequent addiction.