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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/06/...way-train/

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If Eric Brazau had any lingering doubt about how seriously Torontonians take the matter of their vaunted tolerance, it may have been dispelled Tuesday when a judge sentenced him to an extra year in jail for stepping into an apparent crucible of Canadian values — a subway train.

The 50-year-old Mr. Brazau is a convicted hate-monger and a bit of a crank who last July, with two acquaintances, decided to conduct a “social experiment” on the Toronto subway.

At the time, as the situation in Gaza was deteriorating, there were heated protests for and against Israel in the city.

Mr. Brazau’s idea was allegedly to provoke debate among riders, and to that end he boarded the train with an acquaintance decked out in Israeli colours and carrying an Israeli flag and another acquaintance who was to video the proceedings, while Mr. Brazau began loudly denouncing Islam and its holy book, the Koran.

But the stunt backfired when an offended passenger pressed the emergency alarm, causing the train to halt at the next station and ultimately, with Mr. Brazau refusing to leave the car, resulting in a half-hour service delay on the busy Bloor-Danforth line as rush hour approached.

Astonishingly in a province where those convicted of more serious offences regularly receive suspended sentences or house arrest, Mr. Brazau was denied bail and has been in custody since his arrest that day, July 29, or for five months and nine days.

Ontario Court Judge Gerald Lapkin smartly convicted Mr. Brazau of the three charges he was facing — breach of the peace (by interfering with Toronto Transit Commission service), causing a disturbance (by using insulting language) and breaching his probation on the earlier hate-mongering conviction.

“You had a ticket to ride,” Judge Lapkin told him. “Not a pass to harass.”

Later, as he was adding a weapons ban to Mr. Brazau’s conditions for the two years he will eventually spend on probation, Judge Lapkin snapped, “Language can be a weapon too, Mr. Brazau.”

Prosecutor Paul Zambonini had asked the judge to impose a sentence of “another six months in jail or more,” but the judge doubled that and gave Mr. Brazau a total sentence of 20 months for the three convictions, which, minus the eight months’ credit he received at a 1.5:1 rate for his time in pre-trial custody, means he will be behind bars another year.

It is surely a stern sentence for conduct that didn’t involve profanity or violence, as even Jasmina Dizdarevic, a mother who was in the subway car with her two youngsters and who testified in court, told the judge.

Ms. Dizdarevic noticed Mr. Brazau quickly. He was standing in the middle of the car, she said, “having fairly loud, argumentative, opinionated conversations … about his interpretations of the Koran and Islam and Muslim people.”

At a certain point, she said, an unidentified university-aged man objected to Mr. Brazau’s remarks and told him he was a Muslim who had “left my country to come to a peaceful place.” As he got off at the next stop, Ms. Dizdarevic said, the young man told Mr. Brazau it was nice to meet him and he respected him, to which Mr. Brazau replied, “It wasn’t nice to meet you and I hate, or I don’t like, Muslims.”

As all around her she said people gasped in horror, “I said, ‘Wow! Unbelievable!’” and at that point, Mr. Brazau turned his focus on her.

She said she felt intimidated, though not in danger, and the video shot by Mr. Brazau’s acquaintance, which was introduced at trial, shows the young mother holding her own.

At one point, she may have even raised the issue of Israel bombing Palestinians — the comment is barely audible on the video — but certainly, as Mr. Brazau said in his testimony, Ms. Dizdarevic “was giving as good as she got.”

Questioned by Mr. Brazau’s lawyer, Moshe Micha, she denied she “didn’t like what he [Mr. Brazau] said,” but said rather “I didn’t like how uncomfortable he was making people,” particularly three young women at the end of the car, whom she said were wearing the hijab and appeared to her to be keeping their eyes down so as not to draw Mr. Brazau’s attentions.

Still, things might have ended peaceably there — this tough young woman coolly holding her ground with the loutish Mr. Brazau — without incident. Ms. Dizdarevic was on her way to pick up her car from the mechanic’s, and on a deadline.

But a male passenger — unidentified, he didn’t testify — pressed the emergency button; the alarm is audible on the short video.

Ms. Dizdarevic said the man later told her he was worried about her, but she said she was never concerned for her children’s safety or that she couldn’t have walked away.

This guy has been trolling Islam before in Toronto but apparently criticizing Islam on public transit was the last straw. For the RVFers who aren't familiar with Canadian politics, we have terrible protection regarding freedom of speech. The legal clause on free speech is invalidated by the extremely broad interpretation of what constitutes hate speech. Essentially you are granted the freedom to express yourself, unless that expression makes people uncomfortable.

Evidently a passenger on the subway got offended by what this guy was discussing amongst riders and pulled the emergency alarm. The passenger was not charged for pulling the alarm (either because the judge thought he was justified or because they simply couldn't find the guy; that's unclear in the article). Nevertheless, all of the blame was placed on Brazau for offending the passengers. This is delusional. Nobody has the right to sound an emergency train alarm on the grounds that their feelings were hurt.

You can watch the train confrontation here but it's pretty lengthy and boring. Things don't get heated at all, at least not to the point where someone should have to pull an alarm. You can skip to the alarm being pulled at 30:40. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da0_1420688104

I'm surprised this hasn't gotten more attention. A one year sentence for criticizing Islam is outrageous in any western democracy.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Toronto.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/10/02/po...te-speech/

In the US, 51% of Democrats support having laws against hate speech; only 21% oppose. This kind of thing may be dangerously close here as well.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Could you believed 10 years ago this can happen?

Deus vult!
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

I heard those guys that murdered those innocent people in France and in Africa and in thousands of other places around the world for hating infidels are being charged with....nothing.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

The thought police have struck again. I've visited Toronto and it is a nice city in many ways, and the folks were generally friendly, but this "throw 'em in jail" mindset towards people that have unpopular opinions is frightening to me as an American who values freedom of speech.

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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

This happened in Toronto?
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Bet the guy pulled the emergency level because he thought the Muslim was gonna blow.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

shoulda gone with the "But bro it's a prank!" defense
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

I feel like this is something you have to take into context. The guy was already charged with something similar and was on probation. He broke his probation and the charge about disturbing the peace (the train stopping because of his actions) were enough to land him jail time.

The fact that he was intentionally shit disturbing and breaking his probation lends me absolutely no sympathy for him. This isn't some draconian measure by any means. Good riddance.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Sorry but I don't want to hear that shit on the subway no matter what religion he's talking about. Problem with free speech is that most people that use it are annoying.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

You don't lock up citizens for 1 year on the basis that they were annoying.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

What else are we going to do with them. Canadians have more chances than anyone else in the world to be good citizens and not fuck things up for everyone else.

As most Canadians know its nearly impossible to get in trouble with the authorities here, let alone get tossed in the clink for more than eight hours.

He is obviously a nuisance that had been warned.

The guy who pulled the emergency should have his teeth knocked out for messing up peoples free time, and given a fine as in any normal situation.

But you know what, I dont even know what to think anymore. [Image: huh.gif]
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Quote: (01-10-2015 05:02 PM)Collide Wrote:  

You don't lock up citizens for 1 year on the basis that they were annoying.

Agreed. I just meant I don't want to hear it and neither do too many others. Reality is that part of those "others" are stupid people that find it more than annoying and into the realm of "offensive" and even "dangerous." That's the reason the guy got arrested. Let's also not forget that the perpetrator is also a dumb ass that didn't think about that.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Quote: (01-10-2015 05:59 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Agreed. I just meant I don't want to hear it and neither do too many others. Reality is that part of those "others" are stupid people that find it more than annoying and into the realm of "offensive" and even "dangerous." That's the reason the guy got arrested. Let's also not forget that the perpetrator is also a dumb ass that didn't think about that.

Forgive me if it sounds like you tactily condone the man's imprisonment on the basis that he did not account for stupid people overhearing his speech and abusing a law.

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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Toronto is about a half-hour from me and every now and then the police catch someone doing something they should not. To put the Canadian criminal system truly in perspective, if you get caught with CP (possesion/distribution), you are likely only looking at 4-6 months in jail and if in Ontario more like a suspended sentence. They really only come down hard if you're a repeat offender. There was a case a few years back of a guy arrested THREE fucking times for downloading that stuff and only on his third offense did they give him five years hard time. I forget the guy's name though (Merlon something or other).

Yet criticize feminism, gays or Islam and they will throw the book at you (most female judges here are far left feminists). Get caught with a handgun and they will view it as cocaine. Get caught defending yourself with said handgun and kiss your freedom goodbye.

I can't move back to Texas soon enough. Fuck Canada. Ten years is enough.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

At this rate I'm starting to think Bush should have brought democracy to Canada instead of Iraq.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Quote: (01-10-2015 06:03 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-10-2015 05:59 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Agreed. I just meant I don't want to hear it and neither do too many others. Reality is that part of those "others" are stupid people that find it more than annoying and into the realm of "offensive" and even "dangerous." That's the reason the guy got arrested. Let's also not forget that the perpetrator is also a dumb ass that didn't think about that.

Forgive me if it sounds like you tactily condone the man's imprisonment on the basis that he did not account for stupid people overhearing his speech and abusing a law.

G

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You "tactically" steered my comment from what it actually meant. [Image: lol.gif]

Listen man, the guy didn't deserve to go to jail for what he did. But that's all opinion, based on some form of ethics, if you will. Think about it further. Would you do this if you felt strongly about something in a diverse public place? Honest question.

Truth is most people wouldn't. I know damn well if I felt strongly about my opinions against something and wanted to voice it in a public place that contains people whose opinions I oppose, I may get my ass kicked. Another words, consequences exist. You can't control what they are sometimes. I don't control them, neither do you. Reality does.

And this guy got a reality check. And so did others that want to do shit like this. I mean it's cool to feel strongly about something, and feeling it regarding religion is okay. But voicing it publicly, come on. People cut throats and shoot people point blank for that shit. He's lucky he didn't get shot. I'm actually glad he's alive. Reality is a bitch man; best to come at terms with it early.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

This sentence isnt about a form of punishment or attempted rehabilitation for the perpetrator himself. He's too far gone to ever change his views, and most people recognize an asshole anyway.

The purpose of the sentence, in alignment with the reporting of it being 'hate speech' is to send a signal to others.

Anyone thinking of dissent now considers "Is what I'm thinking going to be judged as speech?". Then they tend to cease dissent out of cautiousness.

The first amendment is about preventing legitimate dissent ever having to second guess itself.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

I'm all for free speech, but this guy was being a unnecessary pain on the ass. There are lots of people on the street in Toronto peacefully attempting to share their beliefs. The authorities don't mess with them. This guy could have done that. Instead, he decided to attempt to create a hostile situation and provoke others.

Free speech that makes other people uncomfortable = good.

Engaging in behaviour that is intended to make others feel as uncomfortable as possible = bad.



But I don't think that anyone should be jailed for "hate speech." I think they should be jailed for being a huge pain in the ass and disturbing the peace.

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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Should be titled harassing others with his opinion. There are ways to publicly voice your opinion, but in a subway car,,,,,no. People are stuck on it till the next stop if they can't change cars.

You are allowed to criticize any religion in Toronto. I hope they use him as an example and others who harrass in public places.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Quote: (01-11-2015 12:54 AM)tomtud Wrote:  

Should be titled harassing others with his opinion. There are ways to publicly voice your opinion, but in a subway car,,,,,no. People are stuck on it till the next stop if they can't change cars.

You are allowed to criticize any religion in Toronto. I hope they use him as an example and others who harrass in public places.

Yeah, but any other obnoxious crazy person yelling at people in the subway would end up with a minor fine at most. This prison sentence is more about policing thoughtcrime than it is about public nuisance.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

That this was allowed to happen is scary, and that there are people here on RVF saying "yeah it's bad, BUT" is downright terrifying.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Free speech should NEVER be punished with prison time.

Ignorant, stupid, idiotic, bigoted speech is protected as is rational, correct, and intelligent speech as well.

With the good comes the bad, it's how it works.


"Hate speech" to one person could mean the truth to most, people who disagree with someones opinion can now be labeled "hate".

Saying you believe in only heterosexual relationships (not condemning homosexuals) is now considered hate speech.


Fuck anyone who thinks jail time should be given for hate speech, it's only the public who should be allowed to judge if the guy is an idiot or not.

Even if he is a real life troll and hates a certain religion, most will see him as a crazy man with an agenda.
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Toronto man sentenced 1 year for criticizing Islam on the subway

Quote: (01-10-2015 08:19 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

You "tactically" steered my comment from what it actually meant. [Image: lol.gif]

Listen man, the guy didn't deserve to go to jail for what he did. But that's all opinion, based on some form of ethics, if you will.

I agree with this.

Quote: (01-10-2015 08:19 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Think about it further. Would you do this if you felt strongly about something in a diverse public place? Honest question.

It really depends on the situation - but I understand the question. The answer is no - because I don't feel like getting my ass kicked. And you're right, I can't control how people react to what I might say.

But I'd never expect to go to jail for it. I cannot conceive of a direct link of cause and effect between making negative comments about Islam and then going to jail. Getting beheaded? Sure. Getting harassed? Sure. Getting sentenced to jail? No.

Quote: (01-10-2015 08:19 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

And this guy got a reality check. And so did others that want to do shit like this. I mean it's cool to feel strongly about something, and feeling it regarding religion is okay.

The only thing he learned that day is that he did not live in a free society like the thought he did. Apparently, George Orwell wrote a sequel to the book 1984 - called Toronto 2015.

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