[cosworth]

Fair few posts from people asking for information on London so thought I’d do a quick data sheet to give back on some of the great info I’ve got from this forum. London is an awesome place, but not the easiest place to pick up!

Where to stay : Its London; the oyster is king and probably one of the best travel networks in the world. Try and stay as central as possible, but my preference is west London.

Warm up Bars: Aqua Bar – near oxford circus , nice roof top terrace , hot girls.

Radio Bar , much the same but harder to get into .

Also quite liking W hotel bar on L- square.

For something a little different check out Archer St bar on Archer St ! The staff are all ex west end musical stars and sing !

So for high end game there are 3 clubs I would recommend:

1.Libertine – The quality of the girls in here is on another world level , its like trying to find a girls you wouldn’t want to bang ! The club is a little on the small side but still cool. https://www.facebook.com/WeAreLibertine/photos_stream
2.Cirque – bit of a crazy place , the staff do circus acts and stuff. Again a lot of models etc. https://www.facebook.com/CirqueLeSoirLondon?fref=ts
3.Maddox – really small Mayfair club , has a secret VIP room in the back. Good music , good girls ! https://www.facebook.com/maddoxclub/photos_stream
4.The box – soho – I’ve never been but a lot of my model girl friends say it’s awesome. Super strict entry policy.
5. Tiger tiger for tourist chicks 5-6 , I hate this place but fairly easy to pull.

Getting in these clubs is not easy ! You’ll either need a table (min spend 500-1000£) , be on the guest list and have hot girls with you, know someone to get you in , or if you turn up early they sometimes take pity on you and let you in, providing of course you are on the guest list. 3 dudes would rarely get in 2 might just about pass.

These places are like a fantasy land, to pull here you need serious game, serious money and serious good looks. The most successful guys here are the club promoters!

Top tip : the best place to pick up in London is …… house parties .. London is all about social circle, it will make or break you.

If any of you forum members manage to get chicks out of any of these clubs please god post pictures!! Good luck!

[Que enspastic]

So if you're not burning stacks of paper on clubs or mad connected best to just kill yourself

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

(01-01-2015 02:32 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

So if you're not burning stacks of paper on clubs or mad connected best to just kill yourself

Or, fuck all the money-whores and go daygame

HSLD

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-01-2015 02:32 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

So if you're not burning stacks of paper on clubs or mad connected best to just kill yourself

No reason to pick up girls on the street - "the best place to get to know girls is in the nightclubs" (according to Western girls) - what she does not tell you is that you need massive Game, instant raw attraction via looks, social circle Game while being there (can be done - but takes time) and/or 1000+ cash to burn.

And frankly - even the promo pics of the girls there don't impress me much. Go to most EE cities and you will find better girls at a fraction of the cost & effort needed.

Since the UK does not have a real club culture like the US, the best girls are found at house parties, which is even tougher to enter into. There is actually very little you can do in that regard except for stacking up the cash to throw such a party yourself and move in the right social circles.

Daygame in the West is the great equalizer - though some Night clubs are certainly working for guys with plenty of instant raw attraction (aka - Good Looks).

[LouEvilSlugger]

Daygame and social circle game in London all the way

One of my favorite authors (Alain Soral) quit his job in the early 90s, spent most of his savings on Saville Row suits and moved to London to learn game, he would strictly focus on daygame and apparently reached 700 notches

[Travesty]

Seems consistent for any Western high end night life.

Be an 8 in looks.

Be working for the club.

Be friends with people working at the club.

Have lots of hot chick friends to drag around.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

I would never wait in line for a club, or really for anything else, unless it was absolutely necessary (like the hospital or airport). Fuck that shit. I'm not going to be the club's chump, standing in line outside for however long they feel like, so they can DHV to the whole world.
Unless there is no line, or I know the owner/promoter/bouncer and can walk right in, I'm not going. Better things to do with my time and money, better ways to get notches.
I'm also against bottle service, which I think is plain retarded (although it's a great business model to sell a hundred dollar bottle of liquor for 1000).
The greater London area has well over ten million people from all over the world...if you can't get laid with the girl you want there, on your own terms, well, that's on you.
FWIW, I've done mostly social circle in London, although I did have some success at Latin oriented events, and a couple of good bangs from the beautiful people website which was relatively popular with good London based talent last time I used it (2 years ago so could be different now).

edit:
* I don't want my comment to sound like I'm hating on the OP at all, I think it's great he's posting and adding to the forum. I was just reacting based on how I feel and what I've experienced. Also, in general, when you play the game on someone else's terms, you are always playing catch up.

[Easy_C]

(01-01-2015 03:59 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

Also, in general, when you play the game on someone else's terms, you are always playing catch up.

Nail on the head.

[Moma]

For a guy looking to go out in London on the 9th or the 10th of Jan, what venues can you recommend to get cooperative lizards? Not really looking for high end bourgeoise types..unless they down. Normal approach game with dance..what spots can you recommend?

[Que enspastic]

Koko, Cargo, Proud. Koko best for Jan when numbers drop off massively at any semi-outdoor venues

[rudebwoy]

Partying in London is expensive, not really worth it if you ask me. Most guys on this forum would have a hard time getting into those clubs you have listed, bouncers screen hard.

To the OP, what are your thoughts on Shoreditch party scene?

[cosworth]

I did paraphrase with (high end) ;-) If you are going to london to pick up then like others have said much better places to go. London is an amazing city so I'm sure visitors are doing other things than just chasing tail.

London in Jan is quiet; Shoreditch is a bit too down and dirty for me , I was there last week and we almost got kicked out of a bar for dressing too well ! Jeans , work shirt and jumper wasn't the right look they wanted. The place was dead and we dropped over £100 on drinks , I hate the place , loads of kids on 20k a year thinking their cool !

Camden , is ok , koko proud etc , fair few students.

Upper street in Islington has some great bars, fair few late ones as well . Bit of a meat market on a weekend, not been in years.

Clapham - lots of good looking 20's something girls live here , but they never seem to go our in clapham. Infernos is the local meat market , awful place where your feet stick to the floor ;-)

Day game in London is fine with tourists but not so much locals, London is a cold unfriendly place; a girl is more likely to call the police that give you her number !

[Cheetah]

Quote:

Day game in London is fine with tourists but not so much locals, London is a cold unfriendly place; a girl is more likely to call the police that give you her number !

Are you a local?

[Moma]

I used to do pretty well in Kingston upon Thames. Used to hit up a club there called 'the works'. Lizards weren't seasoned as the inner city ones so spitting game was easier.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-02-2015 09:57 AM)cosworth Wrote:  

I did paraphrase with (high end) ;-) If you are going to london to pick up then like others have said much better places to go. London is an amazing city so I'm sure visitors are doing other things than just chasing tail.
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Day game in London is fine with tourists but not so much locals, London is a cold unfriendly place; a girl is more likely to call the police that give you her number !

It's good that you provide some content, but your comments regarding Daygame are just plain wrong.

It is true that you now have to steer free of some busy streets in London, because so many Wannabe-Daygamers try their luck, but that does not mean that Daygame is dead or she will call the police! That's nuts!

[cosworth]

(01-02-2015 11:07 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 09:57 AM)cosworth Wrote:  

I did paraphrase with (high end) ;-) If you are going to london to pick up then like others have said much better places to go. London is an amazing city so I'm sure visitors are doing other things than just chasing tail.
....
Day game in London is fine with tourists but not so much locals, London is a cold unfriendly place; a girl is more likely to call the police that give you her number !

It's good that you provide some content, but your comments regarding Daygame are just plain wrong.

It is true that you now have to steer free of some busy streets in London, because so many Wannabe-Daygamers try their luck, but that does not mean that Daygame is dead or she will call the police! That's nuts!

I'm being sarcastic ;-) she won't really call the police. Its just my way of saying its rather hard

[gadabout]

This is an accurate sheet.... If you want to blow a load of cash and not get laid. No but seriously this is how I would roll if I had money to burn, but even when I moved in those circles the high rollers still weren't getting any.
There are lots of little bars around dalston highstreet, hackney that are popular with locals and tourists which are the only places i can just about tolerate these days.
I know a lot of members on here will disagree but day game in London is terrible. Tourists are here for short visits so your best bet is to play the long game but it gets tedious. There can be anything up to 10 separate bootcamps or privates running on a weekend let alone all the newbies and veterans pounding the streets. The golden rule of day game is to learn to deal with rejection and there is a very good reason for that. All the girls who have been in London for more than a week will know exactly what you are up to and know all about daygame.com (a victim of its own sucess) Do I sound a bit bitter? a touch.. There is nothing more annoying than approaching a really hot girl only to find out Berba had a crack 5 minutes before you. It's a free country and good for practise but London is saturated unfortunately.

[apolis]

Daygame in London? this should be the funniest thing I have ever heard! people are fucking scared here...

[Distant Light]

This was a solid post!!!

I'm actually quite shocked at how many guys who know about "cold approaching" are actually intimidated by these realms... (coming up with all sorts of excuses)

As a guy who has access to these realms in NY I can tell you personally the idea of "traveling for the sake of women" is so unappealing because...
- I'm around alot of highly attractive women each "outing"
- I live in a world class city

Yes you can go to the source whether it be SEA, EE, Latin America, etc...

Issue is SOCIALLY you will not have as much fun and interesting things going on nor will you ever gain the connections you can get in top tier cities. Just clicking those facebook pages revealed a handful of mutual friends have been to these venues.

Imagine a guy spending 1 year in Kiev compared to 1 year in NY where each night consists of a handful of gorgeous women from AROUND THE WORLD.

NOTE, I recently met a gorgeous chick from...Uzbekistan...That isn't even on my list of places to visit. (One of the hottest chicks I ever met in my life was from Macedonia)

(01-01-2015 02:42 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-01-2015 02:32 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

So if you're not burning stacks of paper on clubs or mad connected best to just kill yourself

No reason to pick up girls on the street - "the best place to get to know girls is in the nightclubs" (according to Western girls) - what she does not tell you is that you need massive Game, instant raw attraction via looks, social circle Game while being there (can be done - but takes time) and/or 1000+ cash to burn.

And frankly - even the promo pics of the girls there don't impress me much. Go to most EE cities and you will find better girls at a fraction of the cost & effort needed.

Since the UK does not have a real club culture like the US, the best girls are found at house parties, which is even tougher to enter into. There is actually very little you can do in that regard except for stacking up the cash to throw such a party yourself and move in the right social circles.

Daygame in the West is the great equalizer - though some Night clubs are certainly working for guys with plenty of instant raw attraction (aka - Good Looks).

This is a limiting belief... (you don't need cash, anyone spending cash is doing it wrong)

IMO it is due to laziness on the community as a whole and horrible perspective. (Most community guys have little to no female friends, only girls they tend to know are chicks their banging or TRYING to bang)

Gaining access to these type of venues was by far one of the best decisions ever made, even beyond women. I have access (through a simple back and forth messaging) to high end venues in miami, las vegas, south of france, milan, etc.

P.S...Although I can assure you all these high end venues that post pics rarely show pictures of the "hot" tables since most of these venues don't even allow pictures. That said, a quick skim, there was clearly some above average chicks. (Atleast I know I'd end up meeting if I were in the venue with them)
















Like I've stated in other threads about "high end" venues, once your amongst those realms your whole perspective changes. It makes DAYGAME seem highly unprofitable and random bars never come close to the "consistent" experiences you have in the top spots. I jokingly state "I've been spoiled" because it's almost 2 years now since I've decided to no longer hookup with chicks under 5'8. (I used to be able to go to my fav venue 3x a week 100% guaranteed to meet a handful of gorgeous women.) Although times are changing, it used to be the only realm where the venue would have 70 above average women and only 30 guys, it used to be unreal.

P.S...The other perk is, 15 years from now all the guys I currently know will most likely be running the city socially AND I know even at age 45-50 I'll still be able to meet tons of gorgeous model types. (Basically I'm connected for the rest of my life)

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-03-2015 01:26 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

Like I've stated in other threads about "high end" venues, once your amongst those realms your whole perspective changes. It makes DAYGAME seem highly unprofitable and random bars never come close to the "consistent" experiences you have in the top spots. I jokingly state "I've been spoiled" because it's almost 2 years now since I've decided to no longer hookup with chicks under 5'8. (I used to be able to go to my fav venue 3x a week 100% guaranteed to meet a handful of gorgeous women.) Although times are changing, it used to be the only realm where the venue would have 70 above average women and only 30 guys, it used to be unreal.

P.S...The other perk is, 15 years from now all the guys I currently know will most likely be running the city socially AND I know even at age 45-50 I'll still be able to meet tons of gorgeous model types. (Basically I'm connected for the rest of my life)

NYC is not London. Some clubs all around the world have VIP areas which only the connected or usually very wealthy have entrance into.

Trying to have such a place on lock or getting the right connections is a worthy undertaking, but I am not so sure about the ability to learn these things with any decent rate of success.

That does not invalidate your experiences Distant Light - if someone with decent cash tagged along with you, then he would have profited well enough from the experience. Night clubs are not dead - high end nightclubs are a special breed, but it really depends on the country.

For example: Hungary - Budapest - nightclub life is terrific - the VIP areas and also the general area of some clubs are filled with porn starlets and beautiful girls. In most of Poland the ratios are not nearly as well - sure you can pull consistently, but it is a a long way off from Hungary. Poland has not much of a night club culture and you have greater chances of meeting a 8-9 during Daygame than at a club - the VIP areas generally are often worse than the general areas. Hungary is completely different in that regard.

There are other Western countries are quite similar in that regard.

[gadabout]

I was chatting with an old club promotor friend last night about the old days when we used to go to these clubs. I have to agree it felt amazing being surrounded by these girls but we were both in agreement that the return of investment was non existent. I can count on one had the times I got lucky from these high end places, and the amount of money we threw around emptied us out for the week. Here are my 3 major gripes with high end clubs places:
1. Douche bags will drop £1000's on bottles of dom perignon just so they can set of a big horn and get everyones attention.
2. All the models are with PRs. They are there purely for the free alcohol and to make the club look good. You see all those pictures on Facebook and tell you self you have to go. Once you get inside you realise they are all penned off in the VIP area. I dated a model this year and she told me she got off on the fact that people were not allowed to talk to her. I would not have had a chance if I hadn't approached her at an airport of all places.
3. This is a major one... most of these clubs blast out music so loud you cannot hear yourself think let alone talk to a girl.

Having said that if I could regain access to these places without having to jump through too many hoops I probably would. The joy of being surrounded by the models never gets tired but that's why these hell holes are always so popular. On the whole though I would say its pretty soul destroying and would rather not pretend to be part of some kind of fictitious elite.

[cosworth]

(01-03-2015 06:10 AM)gadabout Wrote:  

I was chatting with an old club promotor friend last night about the old days when we used to go to these clubs. I have to agree it felt amazing being surrounded by these girls but we were both in agreement that the return of investment was non existent. I can count on one had the times I got lucky from these high end places, and the amount of money we threw around emptied us out for the week. Here are my 3 major gripes with high end clubs places:
1. Douche bags will drop £1000's on bottles of dom perignon just so they can set of a big horn and get everyones attention.
2. All the models are with PRs. They are there purely for the free alcohol and to make the club look good. You see all those pictures on Facebook and tell you self you have to go. Once you get inside you realise they are all penned off in the VIP area. I dated a model this year and she told me she got off on the fact that people were not allowed to talk to her. I would not have had a chance if I hadn't approached her at an airport of all places.
3. This is a major one... most of these clubs blast out music so loud you cannot hear yourself think let alone talk to a girl.

Having said that if I could regain access to these places without having to jump through too many hoops I probably would. The joy of being surrounded by the models never gets tired but that's why these hell holes are always so popular. On the whole though I would say its pretty soul destroying and would rather not pretend to be part of some kind of fictitious elite.

Gadabout hit the nail on the head with this post .. but if you're coming to London and go to the bars / clubs in my post you'll have more fun than in the tourist bars like Yates , or weatherspoons ! :-s I can tell you , sitting on a table with models is a lot more fun than sitting on a table with fat slags on a hen night ! ;-)

I've retired from these places for the above reasons and only go on special occasions like birthdays etc.

NYC is probably better than London , lots of gay guys (so less competition) and there just seems to be more single girls... London has a crazy amount of dudes living in it, the financial jobs tend to attract them .

[Saweeep]

I think threads like this about cities with 10 million people in them are just daft.

[Que enspastic]

A good datasheet on London would be very useful.

I'd like to see a datasheet aimed at Londoners who are not keen on spending a fortune on Mayfair clubs and want to pick up girls. I can recommend about 50 quality cocktail bars and pubs as well as venues for international acts but I don't even know where is best to pick up girls and I've lived here just over one year, admittedly had a gf for a chunk of this time but in places like Budapest or Wroclaw you know which clubs you can do damage in within a few days max.

London definitely presents some challenges. For a city of its size, there doesn't appear to be that many solid venues to game and the different areas are dispersed. Taxis are expensive and not quick to arrive. They take a long time to get anywhere late at night too. Rent for accommodation in Zone 1 is ridiculously expensive.

It may just be that to actually enjoy London you need to be able to live in Zone 1 or close to Zone 1 with enough disposable income to go out enough to make the contacts in the club scene that will make it worth your while. The cost of setting up this lifestyle is obviously going to be much more expensive than almost all other cities worldwide.

My thoughts in terms of the London area:
- Leicester Square/Piccadilly appears to attract the trash and locals tend to leave it to the tourists
- Mayfair is just too expensive for normal civilians
- Camden has Koko and Proud, two of the better venues in London. Otherwise, just pubs and alternative venues.
- Shoreditch has Cargo and Concrete, but otherwise small bars. Some v good bars but better for "dates" than to meet new girls.
- Dalston has The Nest and Dance Tunnel but in general the place is v hipsterish and smallish venues.
- Brixton/Peckham is primarily the black demographic, some good bars but not sure about clubs
- Angel / Islington has decent bars but not sure about clubs
- Farringdon has Fabric, Elephant & Castle has The Ministry of Sound, King's Cross has The Egg, Shoreditch has XOYO - all of these are serious house venues with pill poppers and girls far more into their music than meeting dudes.
- Clapham has Inferno which apparently is just like Tiger Tiger - both 5/10 heaven.
- Watford is trash, all English, which means ugly

[Que enspastic]

tonipepperoni's list (greek concierge list) - before being banned:

boujis
raffles
the roof gardens
2&8
Annabel's
ARTS CLUB
BAROQUE
Cirque le Soir
the cuckoo club
Loulou's
Maddox
Project
Shoreditch House
THE BOX
Tramp
Whisky Mint