[Saweeep]

^^ God knows.

Either way to be born an Englishman is to win the lottery of life

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(09-05-2014 03:32 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

^^ God knows.

Either way to be born an Englishman is to win the lottery of life

Now I can't get this song out of my head:

[TonyManero]

(09-05-2014 03:26 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 11:30 AM)TonyManero Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 10:24 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 09:31 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 06:44 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

This is a half-joking question...but why aren't Denmark and Northern Germany in the "Anglosphere"? After all, that's where the Angles came from...

The Angles were running away from the Saxons, who in turn were running away from the Goths, who in turn were running away from the Huns. There weren't any pure Angle or Saxon cultures left on the continent by the end of this process. Note that the whole process began with the Celts running away from the Angles (the Romans also getting involved at some point).

The Saxons conquered the Angles in Angleland (England), and the two cultures merged, but then the Saxon overlords were in turn conquered by the Normans, who spoke French, but were ethnically Norwegian. You could say that Anglo-Saxon culture is actually Anglo-Saxon-Normandic.

Excellent. I figured it was something like that (they all left the continent). Don't forget the Vikings in the northeast of England (Danelaw). Interesting that the Normans (Norsemen) were also descended from Vikings, too, so it's like a double-colonization in a way. It's all traced back to the Scandinavians...

All those influences are greatly exaggerated. Go to england today and you will see how the people don't look much different to the Irish. And go to Denmark and people look nothing like British Islanders.

The saxons, roman, etc was more of a linguistical and cultural influence, but the native british populations were never pushed away. I almost never see very nordic looking british men, most british men look like they are straight up descendants of the ancient british people. I could name countless of public figures none of who look remotely scandinavian, such as victoria beckham, rowan atkinson (mr bean), Cheryl cole, sean connery, tom jones, Catherine Zeta Jones, Colin Farrell, Clive Owen, Orlando Bloom, Joe Cole, Gordon Banks, Noel Gallagher, Brian May, etc.

THe UK was the only place in Northern Europe where I didnt feel as a foreigner, not because of the diversity of the place, but because there are so many ethnic british men with dark features that I think a true blonde actually stands out more over there.

Why are you turning this into a race thread? No one was talking about race.

I was quoting a guy from above, who thought that the anglo culture should also include the danes and northern germans, I basically explained that anglo is a term based on language and culture and not related to ethnic origins, because the anglo-saxon term was a British invention, and all the british descendants share the same culture. You will notice how all countries in the world that are similar (similar looking people, language and behavior) have similar culture, standards of life and even social dynamics. THats why I was trying to explain the UK is similar to North America and more so to Australia/NZ and shares little to nothing with the other european countries (outside Ireland).

[Orson]

To the debate between the Anglosphere (and its Anglo-American leadership of the world) and the cosmopolitan Leftist tranzis, here's how and where the latter are: at American universities, running empty-headed "Global Citizenship" progams.

Quote:


Within a few years of the September 11 attacks, anyone on a university campus could observe the steady growth of programs and institutes promoting global citizenship. By 2009, a number of my students on a study-abroad trip to the Middle East preferred to be known as global citizens rather than Americans. President Obama, who had proclaimed himself a “citizen of the world” the previous summer, was inaugurated the night we climbed Mount Sinai, and even the brand of water we purchased at the summit— “Baraka”—seemed to proclaim a new world order.

Of the top fifty U.S. News & World Report national universities, 60 percent have programs that identify or describe themselves in terms of global citizenship. So do over half of the top twenty-five colleges.
_ _ _
In their 2002 book "Global Citizenship," Nigel Williams and John Dower define the global citizen as a member of the wider community of all humanity, or some whole that is wider than that of a nation-state. This membership involves a significant identity, loyalty, or commitment beyond the nation-state.

http://collegeinsurrection.com/2014/09/t...tizenship/

The problem with 'global citizenship' is this: who leads it? (And how is it any different from humanism?) The UN? - which Americans have only the lowest respect for? Who most wish to see depart from these shores!

What the EU is the average Brit, the UN is to an ordinary American (unless he never thinks of it at all, like most of us): a mostly useless, expensive, preening institution that rarely does any one any good. And does a lot of harm by misleading people.

Think of all the child abuse scandals done by the UN "peacekeepers" in Africa - without any prosecutions. It's worse than the Catholic Church.

Which leads me to a useful question for discussion, especially for ex-pat Yankees - would you become, or do you prefer to be an ex-pat American? Or a world citizen? Or adopt some other nation?

Again, the ubiquity of English language for learning and commerce since the fall of Communism has deeply changed the Americans' relationship with the rest of the world (and the same for our Anglospheric friends). It has opened up opportunities for work and horizons for travel only dreamt of during the Cold War.

For myself, I've decided that an English -ex-pat community will remain a deep need of mine. As an undergrad student in my youth in England and living with a Dutch girlfriend in Amsterdam, I learned how deeply American I am. It was a true discovery.

At the time, while changing planes at Chicago's OHare airport, I realized how much more vibrant American culture was for me, and so I chose not to become a Dutchman.

That has changed for me - but not my vivid awareness that I was born and raised and American, and I remain an American. In other words, going "native" is not a live option for me.

Travel to Great Britain and meeting my fellow "ex-colonials" always reminds me that we are all descendants of British culture, basically celebrating our "Englishness" in varying ways and degrees (as CrashBangWallop does, above!). Our institutions, values and literatures, music and pop culture are all variations upon venerable themes the British laid down before and during our respective nation's nation-building eras. This gives us much to enjoy, to admire, to envy, and jocularly contest or rib each other over.

As a poster says above, joy to be born an Englishman - or else another flavor flowing from that Sceptered Isle.

How about you others?

[El Chinito loco]

(09-04-2014 02:06 PM)TheMusketeer Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 08:09 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 04:25 AM)Orson Wrote:  

"The Anglosphere Challenge: Why the English-Speaking Nations Will Lead the Way in the Twenty-First Century" by James C Bennett (2004), posits that the harmony of cultural, linguistic, and political values enhanced by the internet age makes it likely that Anglophone nations will lead the new world order in the post-Cold War world.

That is, the UK, USA, Canada and Australia - with smaller nations like New Zealand and South Africa following - to be joined by the billion plus ex-colonial India, whose disparate nation is bound together by the English language, to shape international political system. In other words, The Anglosphere will lead and shape the world system.

Along with all this you get rampant feminism and a heavily indoctrinated class of people who are all just keeping up with the Joneses. The anglosphere is also responsible for a lot of the cultural toxicity we see today.

No thanks.

A lot of the toxicity actually stems from USA and not the Anglosphere to be precise. It started during WW2, interesting article about it here.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20160819

There are far more similarities than differences in the anglosphere. One uniting trait is that they are mostly manginas in the modern era. It doesn't matter where in the commonwealth or original colonies they originate from. Any culture that allows women to wear the pants in society and purposely dilutes its own heritage is not worth saving.

[SJE]

I am British.

All i know is im 6"2' with blonde hair and blue eyes.

People often mention how Germanic i look.

Family tree wise my mum comes from an Irish background, and my dads family on my grans side has French roots.

My point is that to guess genetic heritage based on looks alone is a mute point.

[britchard]

I'm aware this is only slightly related to the thread, but I feel it needs to be said for the benefit of American members.

I feel that there are very polarised views of Americans from young people in the UK such as myself. Unsuprisingly, the dividing line is often gender.

Young 'women' here idolise the Kardashians and other female celebrities (Jennifer Lawrence et al). If you American guys can show that you know/are in touch with that culture, you will slay over here.

I feel that with us men, there is far less love for the US. Sometimes it's pure hatred of the perceived happy-go-lucky attitude of Americans, sometimes just being annoyed at the Kardashians for creating a TV programme that fixates their girlfriends so much.

In short, just watch out in the future. I personally have no problem with American men if they're cool and stuff, it's the culture.

[bacardi123]

their islands seem to be part of europe just like malta and krete are europe.

[berserk]

(12-23-2014 07:06 AM)SJE Wrote:  

I am British.

All i know is im 6"2' with blonde hair and blue eyes.

People often mention how Germanic i look.

Family tree wise my mum comes from an Irish background, and my dads family on my grans side has French roots.

My point is that to guess genetic heritage based on looks alone is a mute point.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...riors.html

[cocotte]

This question is absurd.

The very Angloworld we know today was descended from the original, Britain; which is in Europe.
So yes, in essence, Britain is very European; and America, being a former colony of theirs, along with Australia and Canada [partially], is European in its self too with its own little "unique" elements.

[Gopnik]

Interesting thread, I'd say the UK has more in common with "the anglo-world" than with the rest of Europe. Most of my English friends seem to see it that way too. It's funny how they refer to Europe as the "continent" and Europeans as "continentals.

I guess the UK is a bit like the epitome of western culture within Europe, hence the differences. They might not be huge when compared with Scandinavia or the Netherlands but any other countries will be significantly different on many levels.

[RestinPeace]

(12-23-2014 03:32 PM)Luisaceo Wrote:  

Interesting thread, I'd say the UK has more in common with "the anglo-world" than with the rest of Europe. Most of my English friends seem to see it that way too. It's funny how they refer to Europe as the "continent" and Europeans as "continentals.

I guess the UK is a bit like the epitome of western culture within Europe, hence the differences. They might not be huge when compared with Scandinavia or the Netherlands but any other countries will be significantly different on many levels.

They might not be huge if you focus on mainstream urban culture that swallows everything that is american or comes from the anglosphere, but social dynamics and real culture are very different from the UK. The UK is the only place where men fiercely compete for women... all other europeans are more relaxed.

[Gopnik]

(12-23-2014 07:47 PM)RestinPeace Wrote:  

The UK is the only place where men fiercely compete for women... all other europeans are more relaxed.

This might be the case in a place like Poland where guys don't approach too much, but in most southern countries like Spain, you sometimes get sausagefests where guys approach average looking girls non stop. The competition can be tough.

I currently live in the UK and most nights I barely see other dudes trying and I can't really blame them. The ratios are horrible and the few cute girls are unapproachable. When you know you're not getting laid, it makes more sense IMO to get shitfaced and do funny-stupid stuff with your mates, hence the british "attitude".

[Hedonistic Traveler]

(09-04-2014 01:41 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 01:11 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

The other countries that the original poster mentioned are all splinter cultures from Britain.

I don't think so maybe 200 years ago but now everyone copies us.

Either way it's a race to the bottom between Britain and the US.

Britain may have the edge in debt, but the US is holding down their obesity rankings. We're even importing Mexicans to boost our stats.

(12-23-2014 02:27 PM)cocotte Wrote:  

This question is absurd.

The very Angloworld we know today was descended from the original, Britain; which is in Europe.
So yes, in essence, Britain is very European; and America, being a former colony of theirs, along with Australia and Canada [partially], is European in its self too with its own little "unique" elements.

So is the entire world essentially European?



And I think the op was talking about modern social trends. When it comes to those I'd imagine Britain is much closer to the Western/Anglo world than it is to other parts of Europe.

[UberBicep]

Being a Brit, if I had it my way our island nation should develop technology that allowed us to float away from Europe and hang with Florida. That would be pretty cool. Partying with Americans and great surfing. Americans are typically much more friendlier towards us than many of the Europeans.

Americans, Canadians, Aussies, Brits, we're all long distance cousins from our empire days.

[sheesh]

When it comes to social dynamics, the British are certainly closer to Americans than to continental Western Europeans. It is A LOT easier to make contacts with Anglos than it is with Germans,Dutch, Swiss, Austrians, Scandinavians, for example, who would be considered as socially akward by British/American standards.

[LeightonBlackstock]

We're nothing like our European neighbours

The magnitude of aggression from the underclass in Britain is not seen in any other European country I've visited

In Spain, the idea of fighting when drunk is seen as "What the hell are you doing? We were all having a good time a minute ago"

In Croatia, we all got drunk in a square somewhere and my friend commented "Look, everyone in this square is piss-drunk, but they're having a great time"

Continental Europe is nowhere near as safe as Asia, but Britain is absolutely horrible for drinking in if you're looking for a nice atmosphere

In terms of girls, I've always maintained that Britain is good. A lot of fat girls there, but plenty of loose, bangable girls there wearing tiny dresses when it's zero degrees, especially up North.

RVF Asia gets a lot of shit, but Britain is easier if you're outside of London. If you have basic game and like to grind, you can pull nearly every night at your local Oceana

[berserk]

^ British Chav culture is pretty damn bad. For an advanced European country, there seems be a lot of those underclass people around.

Also agree about British girls. Get a bad rep. At least most get dolled up into tight dresses and are slutty when out on town. Plus, a foreigner from select countries might do very well. British are all around a friendlier and more sociable bunch than Germanics, though also quicker to get into arguments and start trouble.

[wutevas_cleva]

When i went to England i certainly got a European feel to the place. Maybe its true that in some ways theyre more Anglo but u can certainly feel the difference being in North America and UK.

Also the guys in UK dress weird as fuck IMO. Im actually half English and German myself and its kinda funny. Tho i agree the girls get a bad wrap they look quite stylish.

[spalex]

When I read the title the first thing I could think to say is that if you have ever read a British newspaper you would know that in England, British = Pakistani and English = British.

[RestinPeace]

(12-26-2014 12:45 PM)berserk Wrote:  

^ British Chav culture is pretty damn bad. For an advanced European country, there seems be a lot of those underclass people around.

Also agree about British girls. Get a bad rep. At least most get dolled up into tight dresses and are slutty when out on town. Plus, a foreigner from select countries might do very well. British are all around a friendlier and more sociable bunch than Germanics, though also quicker to get into arguments and start trouble.

Brits are more temperamental and "tense" than Germanics (scandinavian,dutch, german, austria, swiss, belgian) and even if you compare them with Latins (spanish,portuguese, Italian, greek, ) they are more loud in a different way... Latins can be more temperamental in seeking women and stuff like that.. but Brits (and I'd put the Irish in the same bag) are always trying to prove something, like if they carry a ship in their shoulders when you prove them wrong....

I find British and Irish culture very different from anytyhing you can experience anywhere else in europe, Its like they are a completly different people, with different social dynamics. mentality ... they can be forwards but quite backwards at time... they dont have sense of shame sometimes.. other europeans seem like good herd of sheeps in comparison.

[CodyB]

People of the UK outside of the London south eastern district of the country are very 'Old World' for the most part. E.g. the accent can change from town to town, there is a village mentality and something noticeable different.

Australia in the other hand has 8 million Squ are kilometers of the same accent and outlook. There is a definite difference between cultures that grew over the course of a thousand years and one thst expedited through colonization over a couple of centuries

[Surreyman]

(09-05-2014 11:25 AM)TonyManero Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 06:44 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

This is a half-joking question...but why aren't Denmark and Northern Germany in the "Anglosphere"? After all, that's where the Angles came from...

BEcause the term "anglo" has nothing to do with the original anglo-saxons but It is about being native english speaker. And from a cultural stand point language isnt enough but also you need to be culturaly a British Isles off-shot.

If you knew a bit of history you would know anglo-saxons rarely were a dominant group in the british Isles, they were only minority groups, same for other newcomers such as the vikings, romans, etc. The british Isles has been populated by the same group since a long time ago (The ancient britons who were a ice age hunter gatherers ) who were not related in the least with modern germanics or celts. Thet were related to the populations of the atlantic seaboard back then . Calling the english/british anglo-saxons is as wise as calling the Bolivian people spanish, both have nothing to do with those peoples besides language. You can say it also by the looks of the people that the british arent of germanic origin, most have subpar statures and there are few blondes compared to the countries where real germanics and central-european celts populated. I can easily tell apart groups of British/aussie and most white americans, compared to sandinavians, dutch and german people, because the earlier are darker features in average and dont look like germanic people at all.

I was under the impression this 'Anglo Saxon' identity idea was propaganda from the past. Possibly something to do with legitimizing ethnically German monarchs, or some racial ideas Vs the Scots and Irish.

[Surreyman]

(12-26-2014 02:34 PM)wutevas_cleva Wrote:  

When i went to England i certainly got a European feel to the place. Maybe its true that in some ways theyre more Anglo but u can certainly feel the difference being in North America and UK.

Also the guys in UK dress weird as fuck IMO. Im actually half English and German myself and its kinda funny. Tho i agree the girls get a bad wrap they look quite stylish.

I'm interested what you mean by that. Is it the endless sea of polo shirts and white trainers? Or did you mean men who went to university?

[Que enspastic]

(12-28-2014 05:47 AM)Surreyman Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 02:34 PM)wutevas_cleva Wrote:  

When i went to England i certainly got a European feel to the place. Maybe its true that in some ways theyre more Anglo but u can certainly feel the difference being in North America and UK.

Also the guys in UK dress weird as fuck IMO. Im actually half English and German myself and its kinda funny. Tho i agree the girls get a bad wrap they look quite stylish.

I'm interested what you mean by that. Is it the endless sea of polo shirts and white trainers? Or did you mean men who went to university?

Anyone outside a big city home to designers and annual fashion events weirdly in my opinion, including Americans.